Briles wont be hired....
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Holy Cow!!! Sooooo much misinformation on this thread.
Heidi, you need to just stop. Where in the hell has it ever been reported that Briles told a victim that they were "over-reacting to being raped?" Show me the link.
The fact is there have been two players convicted of sexually assaulted, although Heidi would have you believe it was half the team. Neither one of these players played ONE..SINGLE..DOWN after being ACCUSED.
Did Briles make mistakes, yes. He has said as much. However, there has been zero evidence that he covered up rape. Don't you think that if he did cover up rape or there was "a culture of rape", Baylor would be one of the nearly 200 universities being investigated by the DOE?
Heidi and others need to stop taking the words of ESPN as gospel. They don't know everything just like no one else does. The only people that do know, the Baylor BOR, isn't talking.
Heidi, you need to just stop. Where in the hell has it ever been reported that Briles told a victim that they were "over-reacting to being raped?" Show me the link.
The fact is there have been two players convicted of sexually assaulted, although Heidi would have you believe it was half the team. Neither one of these players played ONE..SINGLE..DOWN after being ACCUSED.
Did Briles make mistakes, yes. He has said as much. However, there has been zero evidence that he covered up rape. Don't you think that if he did cover up rape or there was "a culture of rape", Baylor would be one of the nearly 200 universities being investigated by the DOE?
Heidi and others need to stop taking the words of ESPN as gospel. They don't know everything just like no one else does. The only people that do know, the Baylor BOR, isn't talking.
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So families went to Art Briles after their daughters were raped, not the police? I'm sorry but I have an abundance of common sense and that doesnt pass the smell test. Help the girls seek help with authorities, lol. If only there were a number that you could authorities on in emergency situations instead of having to go to Art Briles.
Do you really believe all the things you are writing or do you just like to argue? They paid him the check so they, Baylor a college founded on religious principles wouldn't have to testify in court. You think small college towns with bigtime athletic programs don't sometimes have police departments that give some of those players a break? Take FSU and the Tallahassee PD trying to convince the girl not to press charges against FSU's star qb, The Knoxville PD having a liaison with the football coaches at UT to contact them if a player was about to get arrested. So don't act like the PDs aren't influenced by all the athletic teams, tax and fine money buys them lots of police toys, supports having a larger department than a city/town of that size would normally have. UK may or may not be in the market for a new coach, that's up to the people who pull the strings at UK, the question of approaching Art Briles will be are they willing to take the PR hit to hire him.
Someone will, it would be a little surprising to me if it is UK, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he doesn't get offers from the SEC,most likely a western division team. If AU think it will guarantee wins against Bama will be pushing to get at the head of the line. They will be hard pressed to win 7 games and that isn't enough, LSU isn't at that level but they might be if Les starts Harris another game. Outside of the SEC, if Michigan beats tOSU this year Urban could suddenly have health issues again and they will have an opening. After all Saban did run him out of the SEC.
why hasnt he been charged? since you know he's guilty of that, perhaps you know when he'll be arrested and charged.
Shavers...I feel sorry for u....u so want to win a GAME that u are willing to hire a guy who led a football program that turned it's head away from RAPE victims.......why do u feel a need to support this guy when almost all of the literate world understands what he stands for....we need to hire a guy who orders a rapist to run the stadium stairs as punishment for their horrible offense...wow
there you go extrapolating again. you didnt answer my Q so I assume you don't have an answer. I feel sorry for you: you don't know all the facts, few do, so you make them up.
Baylor settled this becaus
I can READ the report....google the report..please....but it doesn't matter ...for whatever reasons u continue to want to believe this guy didn't help create a very ugly culture in Waco...u can believe what I want...im,just happy he won't ever coach at UK
Some of you guys are just embarrassing yourselves. The lengths you'll go to in the name of winning a football game. I think you'd advocate hiring Hitler if he could coach.
What's that?
"Hitler never killed anyone!! He wasn't even around those camps, none of them! Check your facts, and stop spreading misinformation. Himmler, he was the guy - Hitler was in Berlin the whole time!"
And you need to stop making the idiotic point that Baylor giving Briles $20 million somehow implies he's innocent. It just makes you look stupid.....
What's that?
"Hitler never killed anyone!! He wasn't even around those camps, none of them! Check your facts, and stop spreading misinformation. Himmler, he was the guy - Hitler was in Berlin the whole time!"
And you need to stop making the idiotic point that Baylor giving Briles $20 million somehow implies he's innocent. It just makes you look stupid.....
hardly. if he was guilty of a crime, hell, if he was merely charged with a crime, they woudnt have paid him squat. but he hasn't been.
Heidiho, are you going to provide the source of all the "facts" you have been presenting?
I don't think it would be considered selling your soul, more like helping a coach move forward and win in the SEC at the same time hopefully. Get this guy here and stop the factory of sadness
You are the king of straw man arguments. You slant everything into a new argument. You've been doing it for a whole day. Don't you get tired of spinning? This is quite a read with enough links to keep you spinning for a week or two. Thats quite a timeline. http://www.wacotrib.com/news/higher...ab8-2267-51bf-84d8-6268f4222af0.html?mode=jqm
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good link, lots of info. doesn't change my stance of Briles at all as there was nothing in it I hadn't already read. but puts Ken starr in a really bad light
Yes it does, but your "I have to see it to believe it" stance is just your way of rationalizing why it's ok to hire Briles. If everyone took your extreme proof requirement, precious few criminals would ever be convicted. There comes a point where circumstantial evidence is enough for anyone other than a zealot with an agenda. There is little reason to discuss the matter with such people as they will not change their position. That isn't a good quality, by the way. I'd suggest to everyone to just let you believe what you want. Every reasonable mind sees the situation pretty well by now, even if they don't like it. Those who are unreasonable are simply a waste of time.
Of course Briles won't be hired. Neither will any of the other names being blurted on the board this week.
Hitler started the Holocaust, ordered jews into concentration camps, ordered jews to be gassed, started WWII, and is responsible for millions of deaths.
What did Art Briles do?
Pretty obvious you aren't a Briles fan and his morals/ethics, what is your stance on Butch Jones ? Plus the Waco link was weak in terms of providing irrefutable evidence against Briles, especially from a criminal view
The standard should (obviously) not be whether Briles committed crimes. He was in charge of what turned out to be a very problematic situation. It ended up costing him his job, and also the president of the university. It was a situation, though not as bad, was similar to Penn St. Would you be defending Paterno the same way you're defending Briles?
The other piece of this that everyone is missing is that it involves campus rape, which is one of the biggest issues facing higher education today. It is totally different from what Petrino did or any traditional NCAA cheating issues.
beating a dead horse. limited public info, lots of PR firm and media spin, attempts to imply and impugn to transfer blame. in that vacuum many just start believing what they want to. my opinion is Briles way more likely to be caught up in something than masterminding it all. right now the only thing I see him quilty of is being naive and not paying attention to a situation developing around him.
I have never said Briles committed a criminal act, my prior post used it as an analogy. It isn't that I dislike Briles, he may be a decent guy and he can clearly coach. My issue is he gambled on some players and it ended up biting him in the butt, not to mention the tragic consequences some young ladies suffered. It is also clear that he and/or his assistants were not proactive enough in handling some very serious situations. He has shown terrible judgment in several ways in this mess and now many on here want to repeat the gamble he took but this time with him. It's the same gamble. "I know X is really good and has a questionable past, but he can help us win. I think we can keep him under control here". The liability isn't worth the risk. Briles should have reached that conclusion with several of his players, Sam in particular. Almost every school WILL reach that conclusion with him. I can't respond about Jones as I haven't looked into it at all.
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I wonder why the board of trustees wanted him back as soon as he was made a scapegoat
You don't know all that about Hitler. You're just repeating what you've heard.
He'll start posting links to prove his point next. I wonder if it will ever dawn on him......
No, I stated what Hitler did and now Ill ask you what Art Briles did. You wont say what he did tho. I wonder if it will ever dawn on you.
Did he really cover up rape? If so, why has he not been arrested? Why was he not terminated without compensation? Why are these victims going to the football staff and not the police?
It doesn't add up. Did Briles make some really bad choices? Absolutely. Does that make him a monster? I don't know. I'd have to hire my own investigative team and interview him myself. With that said, it's something a school like UK should do if they ever want to win in FB. If not, then keep Stoops because Barney will not be able to find anyone better.
We've already been over this. Stick your head in the sand if you wish. This is my last post with you on this matter.
No we havent,
Thats why I keep asking. What did Art Briles do? How is my head in the sand if I'm asking what he did? I just want 1 person to tell me.
Well if they went to the police first thing to get DNA etc then the police should take over. Very little the university could do when the cops have a warrant.
I'm sure this happens on most campuses. We have seen this at Vandy and UT as well. Not to mention us with Tubman but he was eventually let go. Many of us here are upset with UK for not letting Tubman back on the team but instead telling him he can't enroll at UK for another 5 more years from now.