We need him now more than ever. All the people complaining about his micromanaging...well that's what it takes at Rutgers. It's a difficult place and it eats people alive. Schiano has the right stuff to beat it. Pay him whatever he wants and get it done.
Bring back Schiano, please
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It's Time. Maybe I'll bring this back up weekly until Flood is gone and rumors of Greg's return start swirling...
However, while we can't control who we play in a bowl game, NC State played without their best player.
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I'd take GS back. He knows RU.
What I liked was he made adjustments when something wasn't working. See following 2004 and 2010 seasons.
I think he was close after 2011 with cig here as OC and recruiting....
If he was here we would have found a way to go to the bcs in 2012 which flood the tool cost us
What I liked was he made adjustments when something wasn't working. See following 2004 and 2010 seasons.
I think he was close after 2011 with cig here as OC and recruiting....
If he was here we would have found a way to go to the bcs in 2012 which flood the tool cost us
I wonder if he would even want to come back to Rutgers. When he came here it was a move up from DC to HC. It took him a decade to build this program, and Flood as turned into a dumpster fire. I wonder if he has the energy, and more importantly the will to do it all over again. Even if he came back, it would take him a while to right the ship.
Looking bad can't help but see what a bad move TP made. Hired a man to save once recruiting class and set the program back 5 years.
Looking bad can't help but see what a bad move TP made. Hired a man to save once recruiting class and set the program back 5 years.
There is no re modeling. We will need to rebuild the program again. We don't have any players on defense.
"schiano the coach" has a losing record (in conference), if that is what the folks want.
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Could you imagine what schiano would do with big money coming down the road? Bring him back now.
I think Greg is the Marty Schottenheimer of college coaches.
He would have us a consistent 8 win team, with the lightning in a bottle 11 win season once every 5-6 years and a rebuilding stinker of 4-5 win years every 5-6 years.
The lack of discipline off the field would be eliminated. Recruiting would be Top 30ish every year. And he would drive away every quality Coordinator that he convinced to work for him in the first place.
At this point, sign me up.
As a fanbase, I think we need to come to 2 stark realizations. Unless there is a monumental shift in attitude toward athletics among the leadership at the university and state levels, there will always be too much negative momentum to be serious conference and play-off participant contenders. All the "Sleeping Giant" stuff is white noise without consistent, unified philosophical and financial support. Second, nearly every stakeholder in the process doesn't have the stomach (rightfully so in my view) to become a consistent Top 20 program. There is way too much unsavory business to consistently achieve that status, for nearly everyone that surrounds our program. For every a person who said, "these are events aren't that serious" there were 10x who wanted nothing to do with it. That is probably a good thing, but makes competing with OSU, FSU, 'Bama, USC, et al nearly impossible.
He would have us a consistent 8 win team, with the lightning in a bottle 11 win season once every 5-6 years and a rebuilding stinker of 4-5 win years every 5-6 years.
The lack of discipline off the field would be eliminated. Recruiting would be Top 30ish every year. And he would drive away every quality Coordinator that he convinced to work for him in the first place.
At this point, sign me up.
As a fanbase, I think we need to come to 2 stark realizations. Unless there is a monumental shift in attitude toward athletics among the leadership at the university and state levels, there will always be too much negative momentum to be serious conference and play-off participant contenders. All the "Sleeping Giant" stuff is white noise without consistent, unified philosophical and financial support. Second, nearly every stakeholder in the process doesn't have the stomach (rightfully so in my view) to become a consistent Top 20 program. There is way too much unsavory business to consistently achieve that status, for nearly everyone that surrounds our program. For every a person who said, "these are events aren't that serious" there were 10x who wanted nothing to do with it. That is probably a good thing, but makes competing with OSU, FSU, 'Bama, USC, et al nearly impossible.
When you look at the B1G this season, I think you could make a fair argument that GS could field a very competitive team. Aside from MSU I don't see any real outstanding teams.
Schiano would have instant recruiting credibility and would eliminate the criminal and fraud elements with an iron fist, which likely will have to be our priorities.
Based on what I saw the past two games, I would argue that the 2010 team under GS had way more heart and will to win than what we have witnessed, two total abortions against horrid teams.
Schiano would have instant recruiting credibility and would eliminate the criminal and fraud elements with an iron fist, which likely will have to be our priorities.
Based on what I saw the past two games, I would argue that the 2010 team under GS had way more heart and will to win than what we have witnessed, two total abortions against horrid teams.
Correct, and you will never get Schiano the CEO/Disciplinarian because, while he would kill it recruiting for RU in the B1G, he will overcharge us, never get any quality coordinators because there won't be much $ left for big salaries after paying for his contract, but it won't matter, because really good guys won't work for him anyway. GS the CEO/recruiter, I'll jump on the bus today; GS the coach, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Hudson - well said and echoes numerous things I've said for years. I've always said I'd rather be a top 20-30 team with high integrity, strong academics, and strong discipline. As a 3-time RU alum, I want no part of sullying the university's reputation and I agree the top top teams have made the decision to sell their souls in pursuit of "championships" (except maybe Stanford and there can't be that many of them).
I'd be perfectly happy with 7-9 win seasons most years, with the occasional run at a B1G championship and top 10-15 ranking, and the occasional losing season. In the B1G that means some great bowls and lots of fun football games, home and away - a team and program we could be proud of. Like we were under Greg before. I'd also love to see how well Greg could recruit with the B1G label on the team.
The most intriguing part for me, however, could be whether Greg has truly learned the lessons he says he has learned about delegating more and empowering his coaches, such that perhaps he wouldn't "drive away every quality Coordinator that he convinced to work for him in the first place." People are capable of changing their behaviors/approaches, but it takes an awful lot of discipline and desire to do so. If he were able to do that, I believe the "Stanford level" is close to attainable for Rutgers under Schiano.
IN GREG I TRUST !! But would he come back with Julie here , not so sure.
couple things. People/coaches learn over time. There is no doubt that Greg has found new perspective from coaching in the league and also from being out of coaching the last couple of years. He will come back a better head coach. (saban, pete carrol, denis erickson, butch davis, petrino).
His Xs and Os on defense are excellent. Seriously, the guy is a great defensive coach and that is the first thing we need back on track around here.
The main reason why Id like to see Schiano back:
we have been doing this football thing at RU for 150 years. Bringing a legendary type figure like Greg back could be a huge success or a total failure for us.. but what would it cost us? Are we a perennial championship team and we don't want to mess that all up? NO.
If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. We lose nothing. Its just another few years out of 150.
We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring back one of our legendary program figures, you have to take it. He is our Bill Snyder, our Barry Alvarez.
We have to take the chance. Just have to.
Also, the athletic department will pay 2mil +. Guaranteed.
His Xs and Os on defense are excellent. Seriously, the guy is a great defensive coach and that is the first thing we need back on track around here.
The main reason why Id like to see Schiano back:
we have been doing this football thing at RU for 150 years. Bringing a legendary type figure like Greg back could be a huge success or a total failure for us.. but what would it cost us? Are we a perennial championship team and we don't want to mess that all up? NO.
If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. We lose nothing. Its just another few years out of 150.
We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring back one of our legendary program figures, you have to take it. He is our Bill Snyder, our Barry Alvarez.
We have to take the chance. Just have to.
Also, the athletic department will pay 2mil +. Guaranteed.
They will need to pay more, like $3mill. He now has 2yrs NFL HC on his resume. Like it or not that holds some cache. If there's ANY coach that our boosters would help spend $5mill (HC salary and assistant salary), it'd be Schiano. That was the hangup in 2013. They wanted a slam dunk hire for the money they were asked to part with. They know what they're getting with Schiano and many of them were happy with him when he was here.
He won (and lost but still won some) at the highest level. For our needs right now his Xs and Os are fine.
Russell Wilson didn't play after Greg's defense knocked him the f-ck out. And the game changing play was a blocked punt - Schiano's Specials.
Bring back the man who put the PRIDE back in NJ/RU.....finish the job Greg.I miss those savage D/ST's..
Exactly. I cannot believe people try to make points like that. We have no idea if Rutgers would or would not have won if Wilson played the entire game. Why do they assume the victory is cheapened somehow?
All GS would need is a top OC and normally competent position coaches. If his own salary is moderate, once the B1G money shows up he can afford a top OC.
ruhudson and ru#s and others have it right.. but instead of Schottenheimer I think we can be a Don Nehlen West Virginia like program. That is, to contend for a championship we have to make it to the intermediate level of rebuilding every 3-4-5 years. We can use large recruiting classes and red shirts to build a large wave of 4th and 5th year players to coincide with a few stars at skill positions to have a great team every 4-5 years.
Of course, sometimes that wave will not work out as intended due to injuries, tougher than usual schedules, sheer bad luck.. and it will still take awhile to rebuild... but here it is 9 years after 2006 and I still enjoy the memory. If we became a program like that, where people can count on a great season every 4-5 years or even every 8-9 years.. it would have achieved the "next step" to becoming a playoff team talking about National Championship possibilities.
Right...so since when doesn't a neutralizing savage punishing D not count after doing a great job equalizing the game....if they win our D let him throw...knock him out we were lucky...only someone trying to minimize our win would say something like that.
Bumping, because I can. Love the ability to find old threads. I'd fire Flood today. I would've fired him for cause after the email fiasco. But since we didn't, now would be just fine. The OSU debacle and now an even worse loss against a depleted Wisconsin team are enough to erase any good will from the nice comeback against Indiana - and especially his mindless insistence on sticking with a QB who has now played two horrible games in a row.
As I said earlier in the thread, I have no idea if Schiano would come back, but if we don't at least consider pursuing him, that would lead me to doubt Julie's ability as an AD. Unless of course, she hits a home run with some other hire.
As I said earlier in the thread, I have no idea if Schiano would come back, but if we don't at least consider pursuing him, that would lead me to doubt Julie's ability as an AD. Unless of course, she hits a home run with some other hire.
If we make a change I'd prefer a break from the whole Paterno/Schiano/Flood tree. I want something different and new.
Herman/Fuente were my top choices a couple years ago and this year. They're likely out of reach now. Have to sniff out that next good one before he blows up too much.
Doug Meacham is one I've liked and mentioned here before. He makes 350K at TCU last time I looked.
I've thought of Dave Aranda before but never took a harder look at him until earlier today. I like him and I think he could be a David Shaw type but just on defense. His demeanor is even keel for a DC and I like that. He's not so excitable as a lot of DCs are and sometimes that's a good thing. If he instituted a spread then I'd like him as an option. Wisconsin doesn't but Utah State did when he was there with Andersen and I'm sure Hawaii did too while he was there. He makes 550K at Wisconsin last time I looked.
Hell I'd love a combo of Aranda as HC and Meacham as OC. He's not making much so you never know, lol.
Article on Aranda.
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
Herman/Fuente were my top choices a couple years ago and this year. They're likely out of reach now. Have to sniff out that next good one before he blows up too much.
Doug Meacham is one I've liked and mentioned here before. He makes 350K at TCU last time I looked.
I've thought of Dave Aranda before but never took a harder look at him until earlier today. I like him and I think he could be a David Shaw type but just on defense. His demeanor is even keel for a DC and I like that. He's not so excitable as a lot of DCs are and sometimes that's a good thing. If he instituted a spread then I'd like him as an option. Wisconsin doesn't but Utah State did when he was there with Andersen and I'm sure Hawaii did too while he was there. He makes 550K at Wisconsin last time I looked.
Hell I'd love a combo of Aranda as HC and Meacham as OC. He's not making much so you never know, lol.
Article on Aranda.
http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
I think avoiding the damage Schiano could do in NJ recruiting if he goes somewhere else is almost as good a reason as the positives he could accomplish here.
Precisely. We need to make this defensive move, because if he goes to a place like Virginia or Maryland - we're in trouble.
No Assistants please! In Greg We Trust! Proven Experience and track record needed for RU!!!!!
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