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Wrong. How many PGA events have you been to?
I’ve been to 53 pga Tournaments. I’ve seen basically everybody you can name of substance. I’ll grant you that Holmes is so slow that he makes me want to scream at him, but he’s not any slower than Day or Spieth. DeChambeau is slower than all three.
Again, no offense, but I think I know more about this than you do. Nicklaus and Faldo were also slow players.
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Some of this is that the players are noticing that Koepka likes to play fast and some are stepping out of the batter's box on him IMO. Seems like Justin Rose was doing something similar Saturday.
Don't get me wrong, I hate slow play too, but just think some of this is to irritate Koepka, whose confidence overflows at times.
Don't get me wrong, I hate slow play too, but just think some of this is to irritate Koepka, whose confidence overflows at times.
That has nothing to do with it. Everyone is going to look slow playing with Koepka. JB is an extreme case, and his slow play is more selfish than most given the fact most of it has to do with pre-shot crap, most of which can be done while your opponent is playing.
Furthermore, he's done NOTHING to address it despite extreme criticism in the past few years, and it's actually gotten worse.
Furthermore, he's done NOTHING to address it despite extreme criticism in the past few years, and it's actually gotten worse.
Same tourney they have held at Firestone the last 20 yrs...moved due to Bridgestone sponsorship.
That's the annoying part for people that want nothing more than to support him.
TPC Southwind is one of the tougher regular stops on tour. My buddies have a hook up play it every year on their Tunica golf trip & rave about it, say it's absolutely pristine & brutal.
JB's Genesis win (which came out of nowhere) and early Open play are big time outliers, btw. In his previous 12 starts, he had 7 MC and a withdraw, so his extra slow play certainly isn't helping his game.
JB's Genesis win (which came out of nowhere) and early Open play are big time outliers, btw. In his previous 12 starts, he had 7 MC and a withdraw, so his extra slow play certainly isn't helping his game.
I went to Southwind 3 years ago and followed Mickelson and Koepka for 2 days on Thursday and Friday. The following week, Koepka won the US Open.
Tough course for sure.
Good quote from John Wood (Kuchar’s caddie) about slow play.
But being unprepared and refuse to change anything in your routine is what becomes frustrating. Kevin Na is a perfect example. Everyone knows Kevin used to have his issues, but he’s made a huge effort to get better, to quicken his routine and his pace of play, and he’s earned a lot of respect for that. I think Kevin is great to play with now. It’s frustrating when guys don’t make an effort. At some point you have to start wondering about calling out slow players during a round to protect the field much like you would if you saw them taking a shaky drop from a penalty area.
But being unprepared and refuse to change anything in your routine is what becomes frustrating. Kevin Na is a perfect example. Everyone knows Kevin used to have his issues, but he’s made a huge effort to get better, to quicken his routine and his pace of play, and he’s earned a lot of respect for that. I think Kevin is great to play with now. It’s frustrating when guys don’t make an effort. At some point you have to start wondering about calling out slow players during a round to protect the field much like you would if you saw them taking a shaky drop from a penalty area.
JB has early become the whipping boy for the slow play brigade. He’s certainly slow and really slow at times, but like others have said, there are guys slower. Day got some heat like 2 years ago and nothing again. Spieth never gets hit on it.
That being said, JB has to speed up. I don’t really care about pace of play, but a lot of people do. The stuff about him not even having his glove on until it’s his turn is ridiculous. That’s something he’s gotta change.
On the flip side, I played with the extreme opposite of the slow play spectrum last week. A guy I played first hit first on every tee regardless of honors. If someone made a birdie and he got a triple he was teed up and swinging before I even got my driver out of my bag. Then on the fairways he’d hit and go directly to his ball so our playing partners were hitting directly over him at times. He wasn’t off to the side. There were probably 4 holes he was standing just off the green when someone was 130 yards away hitting their approach. Playing fast is one thing, but doing it to where it’s getting in the way of everyone else in the group is too much IMO and wasn’t all that enjoyable. I’m a fast golfer. If I’m a single I can play in 2.5 hours depending on how many extra putts, chips I hit, but that was way too much IMO.
That being said, JB has to speed up. I don’t really care about pace of play, but a lot of people do. The stuff about him not even having his glove on until it’s his turn is ridiculous. That’s something he’s gotta change.
On the flip side, I played with the extreme opposite of the slow play spectrum last week. A guy I played first hit first on every tee regardless of honors. If someone made a birdie and he got a triple he was teed up and swinging before I even got my driver out of my bag. Then on the fairways he’d hit and go directly to his ball so our playing partners were hitting directly over him at times. He wasn’t off to the side. There were probably 4 holes he was standing just off the green when someone was 130 yards away hitting their approach. Playing fast is one thing, but doing it to where it’s getting in the way of everyone else in the group is too much IMO and wasn’t all that enjoyable. I’m a fast golfer. If I’m a single I can play in 2.5 hours depending on how many extra putts, chips I hit, but that was way too much IMO.
Was JB this slow before his surgery? I don’t seem to remember him being this slow. Which makes me wonder if this is a symptom of his brain surgery.
He was slower when he first came out on tour but slow play wasn’t an issue then.
We always play "ready golf" as a group, which I think the PGA should consider to speed things up, but I agree that seems a bit much, especially getting way out in front of everyone else and in their sight line. In fact, I am usually the first guy out of the cart and ready to hit, but I may rethink my habit based on your post. (However, I never jump in front of a birdie, that is bad karma)
I don't jump birdies, but we play ready golf to the extreme, as should everyone.
Ready golf is perfectly fine and hitting first off the tee doesn’t bother me other than when someone gets a birdie. That was more of a minor thing, but when everything else is poor etiquette that just bothered me more than it probably should have.
If I played with someone and they hit first off every tee and that’s it, that’s not an issue. It’s just when it’s piled into everything else that made that bad in my experience.
From my experience, those who play “ready golf to the extreme” are miserable to play with and ruin the round for everyone else. Like why are you at the golf course on a beautiful day, to enjoy yourself, and just want to hurry up and get done? Makes no sense. You can play in an acceptable amount of time and not rush imo
you make a good point, golf courses are beautiful places, and no one wants to play with a guy in a big rush, and usually same guy on the phone every other hole . . . . like why don't you just go back to work??
OTOH, some guys have long hour jobs, where they simply don't have 4.5 to 5 hours to leisurely stroll around a golf course. I have about dropped out of the Sat/Sun morning group at my club, because they insist on everyone gathering in the clubhouse, figuring out the money, winners buy beer, etc., even if there are 4 or 5 foursomes in the group, meaning if you are in one of the first groups can easily be a six hour experience. Just not that interested . . . would rather tee off on Sat PM at 3 or 4 and be done in three hours.
Exactly. Like I mentioned, I’m on the faster side of playing. 2-3 practice swings and then I hit. I don’t spend a lot of time looking for my ball if I think it may be lost. Only time I will take more than 2 minutes if we saw it bounce and it’s not near a hazard or anything and just haven’t found it.
I don’t like playing with golfers whose sole intention is to play quickly. It’s almost like their score is second to the pace of play. The guy I played with was almost playing as a single and our threesome had to play around him.
Meh, I just used that word for emphasis. We play in 3:40-4:00 nearly always, and have little concern about who's out. When I'm ready, I play so long as it's not interfering with someone else that's started their pre shot routine. Helps make up for the slowness of the handful of wannabe PGA tour guys we play with.
I can assure you I'm in no "hurry" on the golf course.
I can assure you I'm in no "hurry" on the golf course.
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Exactly...for example, if you have a 20' putt and and someone just skulled one out of a bunker across the green, then go ahead and putt versus waiting the 5 minutes for them to get another club, walk over, examine, hit....
You ain’t playing in 3:40-4:00 with Buddha in the group - that’s a fact.