All of these commitments are being released early as a safety valve in case our football season goes into the tank. This would be some convenient propaganda in favor of keeping Croom on GP.
I'm buying.
I'm buying.
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All of these commitments are being released early as a safety valve in case our football season goes into the tank. This would be some convenient propaganda in favor of keeping Croom on GP.
I'm buying.
I'm buying.
I just think that Croom and Co got in on the top Mississippi prospects earlier this year than in the past. That, combined with an 8-5 season, was the perfect mixture for momentum in recruiting. USM and UM are going through coaching changes this year. Nutt isn't exactly known as a world beater recruiter. Neither is Croom. Fedora will recruit well, but most high profile recruits want to play in the SEC and not C-USA. See Charles Mitchell. I can see MSU at worst having a 5-7 season this year. That's with wins over La Tech, SE Louisiana, MTSU, Vandy, and Kentucky. 4 of those 5 are in Starkville this year. A 5-7 season won't make these commitments head for the hills.
So are you saying that these commits are just propaganda and not real? because if thats what you're saying then sell, I actually believe Croom's doing an awesome job of recruiting.
Commitments are not typically kept secret, unless a player requests it. We release them when they happen, just like we always have. Otherwise, other schools would call and continue recruiting the kid, Yancy would call with his propaganda and all of that, and a big reason why a kid commits early is to not have to deal with the constant badgering.
So it's your position that a kid commits to us, and we might or might not release it, depending on what is going on? It just doesn't work like that, except in special cases.
So it's your position that a kid commits to us, and we might or might not release it, depending on what is going on? It just doesn't work like that, except in special cases.
...on any recruit by name. That is why you never hear anything from the Athletic Department about any recruit, until the signature is on the dotted line. Web sites, and newspapers contact recruits, and it is the recruit, and sometimes their coach, who will say a recruit has committed. The recruits can comment about quotes from the coaching staff, but the coaches cannot say anything about any recruit.
that most of these players know where they are going, and I am also willing to bet that most of these recruiting experts at least kind of know where they are going as well.
Our recruits will be recruited by others no matter when they commit- see Chris Garrett.
All I'm saying is I could see Gene doing something like release our commitments early just in case we have a 3 win season, so that people would be, yeah our season is horrible, but look at all the great recruits we've got coming in.
I find it odd that we have so many commitments so early. Maybe it is because we are recruiting differently. Maybe I'm just not used to us recruiting period.</p>
Our recruits will be recruited by others no matter when they commit- see Chris Garrett.
All I'm saying is I could see Gene doing something like release our commitments early just in case we have a 3 win season, so that people would be, yeah our season is horrible, but look at all the great recruits we've got coming in.
I find it odd that we have so many commitments so early. Maybe it is because we are recruiting differently. Maybe I'm just not used to us recruiting period.</p>
Rivals.com 2009 team rankings came out on July 2. We all know about recruiting stars and crap, but I thought I would still point this out just to compare us to some of the big boys in recruiting this year.</p>
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At that time, Rivals had us at number 15 in the nation with 10 commitments and our highest rated player was Cox. Since then, we have added 4 more commitments. One was Rivals #43 player in the nation in Patterson(4*) and 3 nationally ranked 3* players. That would put us at 14 total commitments. </p>
Teams behind us include: Auburn at #23 with 14 commitments, West Virginia at #21 with 11 commitments, and Penn State at #19 with 12 commitments. MSU will be in the top 10 when the new team rankings come out. It's still a long way to February, but I don't see a lot changing. Croom and his staff are doing a damn good job this year. </p>
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At that time, Rivals had us at number 15 in the nation with 10 commitments and our highest rated player was Cox. Since then, we have added 4 more commitments. One was Rivals #43 player in the nation in Patterson(4*) and 3 nationally ranked 3* players. That would put us at 14 total commitments. </p>
Teams behind us include: Auburn at #23 with 14 commitments, West Virginia at #21 with 11 commitments, and Penn State at #19 with 12 commitments. MSU will be in the top 10 when the new team rankings come out. It's still a long way to February, but I don't see a lot changing. Croom and his staff are doing a damn good job this year. </p>
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I think you are just thinking to much into it. I think Croom has been more aggressive this year than years past. He has taken advantage of a winning season and coaching changes around the MSU. I remember him saying last year that we wouldnt see the results of the winning season until the 09 class</p>
We had about this many commits this time last year. We actually had 14 by July 23 or so. If you looked at the Rivals top 25 list you'd see that most other schools had/have more commits than we do.
...but, again, you're just not making any sense.
Take Phillips for example. Let's say he called Coach Croom and committed to him. Whether or not word leaks out of the athletic department, Rob or Steve is going to call him within the next 2-3 days. They'll ******** with him a bit, and then they'll ask him who he is leaning to, if he has made a commitment, etc. He would then say "I committed to Mississippi State." The story goes up. It's out there. If he lied and said that he didn't commit, then that would be a special case, but nobody is "releasing" anything. The kid either says he is committed or not. The story gets written as soon as a reporter finds out. For info not to be "released," the kid would have to deny a commitment when interviewed. And I'm sure that happens (see Robert Elliott), but for the most part, the kid is just answering a question that he probably gets asked by somebody at least every 2-3 days. So I really don't see where you're going. If Gene wanted to keep it secret, Rob would just break the story when he talked to the kid.
Take Phillips for example. Let's say he called Coach Croom and committed to him. Whether or not word leaks out of the athletic department, Rob or Steve is going to call him within the next 2-3 days. They'll ******** with him a bit, and then they'll ask him who he is leaning to, if he has made a commitment, etc. He would then say "I committed to Mississippi State." The story goes up. It's out there. If he lied and said that he didn't commit, then that would be a special case, but nobody is "releasing" anything. The kid either says he is committed or not. The story gets written as soon as a reporter finds out. For info not to be "released," the kid would have to deny a commitment when interviewed. And I'm sure that happens (see Robert Elliott), but for the most part, the kid is just answering a question that he probably gets asked by somebody at least every 2-3 days. So I really don't see where you're going. If Gene wanted to keep it secret, Rob would just break the story when he talked to the kid.
Croom has stated that being in the process of recruiting for 4 or so years now, that they have spent enough time in Miss. high schools to evaluate each grade level. Meaning they not only know what this years group of sr's are capable of, but they have a database of soph and jr's that are constantly being evaluated.
After this upcoming season, they will have a list of this years jr's who they know they will offer next spring.
The guys that are committing now were evaluated their soph and jr years and are deemed good enough to offer before their sr year.
On top of that, the asst coaches have formed a relationship with these players starting in their soph and jr seasons and that pays dividends as well.
This is why we're seeing the type class that is being put together. With Nutt not having this luxury and having to start his evaluations and relationship building, we have gotten the upper hand this recruiting season. It won't always be this way, but I'm happy to see Croom and co. taking advantage of it while they can. Both State and OM have had the opportunity in the past to take advantages of situations like this, but neither has. </p>
Give Croom credit. He's taking advantage.
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As far as the names being released as committed...the kids themselves or their high school coach is the one doing that. Don't think they don't eat up the attention of getting their picture on the front page of a website. I'm sure Steve and others tell the kid to "call me as soon as you decide and I'll put an article on the website, etc". The kids enjoy this attention and I dont blame them.
After this upcoming season, they will have a list of this years jr's who they know they will offer next spring.
The guys that are committing now were evaluated their soph and jr years and are deemed good enough to offer before their sr year.
On top of that, the asst coaches have formed a relationship with these players starting in their soph and jr seasons and that pays dividends as well.
This is why we're seeing the type class that is being put together. With Nutt not having this luxury and having to start his evaluations and relationship building, we have gotten the upper hand this recruiting season. It won't always be this way, but I'm happy to see Croom and co. taking advantage of it while they can. Both State and OM have had the opportunity in the past to take advantages of situations like this, but neither has. </p>
Give Croom credit. He's taking advantage.
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As far as the names being released as committed...the kids themselves or their high school coach is the one doing that. Don't think they don't eat up the attention of getting their picture on the front page of a website. I'm sure Steve and others tell the kid to "call me as soon as you decide and I'll put an article on the website, etc". The kids enjoy this attention and I dont blame them.
Commitments aren't released by the school in the first place. They're released by the individual players. And I don't think any coach is going to tell a player who committed to him not to go ahead and make that commitment public. By going public with it you can at least reduce the amount of effort other schools put into recruiting the player. We're seeing more commitments announced now than we have at this time in prior years simply because we have more commitments now than we did at this time in prior years.
I think you are reaching with this one, Todd. You are one of the more level-headed posters but not with this topic.
Gene has nothing to do with when commitments are "released."
We just had a big camp with lots of recruits. We apparently leaned on the guys we wanted and 4 decided to commit.
Wow. Some of y'all really have to work hard NOT to give Croom credit.
We just had a big camp with lots of recruits. We apparently leaned on the guys we wanted and 4 decided to commit.
Wow. Some of y'all really have to work hard NOT to give Croom credit.
to the real apes.
Seriously, this class is going to be bombarded by a full court press by our rivals. For the first time in, hell, I don't know how long, we're looking at a class that will rival 75% of the conference in terms of athletes and quality. Croom & Co. has done a real nice job of capitalizing on last season. Further, Croom has learned to put pressure on these guys to make an early public commit so that it's harder for [some of] them to switch at the end. Also, early commitments of some high end recruits serves as a snowball effect for other recruits we really want.
I realize none of us knows how to act about a class than might end up in the top 15 (and almost no JUCOs). I don't blame you for trying to borrow trouble in explaining the mysteriousness of it all. Hell, I almost don't believe what I'm seeing. But it is pretty damn exciting to see the results of relatively mediocre success on the field and it tells me that there's more to the Croom factor than many have been willing to admit or acknowledge. And it tells me that IF we can somehow string together 7 aGAIN, we may be looking at the beginnings of something pretty damn special.
Seriously, this class is going to be bombarded by a full court press by our rivals. For the first time in, hell, I don't know how long, we're looking at a class that will rival 75% of the conference in terms of athletes and quality. Croom & Co. has done a real nice job of capitalizing on last season. Further, Croom has learned to put pressure on these guys to make an early public commit so that it's harder for [some of] them to switch at the end. Also, early commitments of some high end recruits serves as a snowball effect for other recruits we really want.
I realize none of us knows how to act about a class than might end up in the top 15 (and almost no JUCOs). I don't blame you for trying to borrow trouble in explaining the mysteriousness of it all. Hell, I almost don't believe what I'm seeing. But it is pretty damn exciting to see the results of relatively mediocre success on the field and it tells me that there's more to the Croom factor than many have been willing to admit or acknowledge. And it tells me that IF we can somehow string together 7 aGAIN, we may be looking at the beginnings of something pretty damn special.
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My one cent opinion: Early in Croom's tenure we were on probation so I don't blame any FB players for not coming here. In years 2 & 3, some recruits might have felt Croom was out the door either resigning or being fired. He even admitting to that in one interview a few years ago when the infamous "for sale sign" was placed in his yard. We all know Coach Croom placed himself into a ****-hole of a football program because of dumb-*** Sherrill and co. He may not be the smartest coach out there or the best offensive-minded either, but I give Coach Croom all the respect in the world for coming into our "****-hole that was" back in '03.
Today, we're off probabtion completely, have an average QB but potential to be very good (Wes Carroll), a decent defense, building depth and by going to & winning the Bowl game last year, I think you are seeing some recruits especially in-state start to change their perception about Croom & MSU. Thev've seen the **** Croom has steadily mopped up & they want to see what he can do with a clean and healthy program.
Plus, the early verbals are the norm now and this trend will probably continue. Go take a look at Auburn's early verbals, or even a school like freaking Cincinnati has like 15 verbals (WTF?).
While its good to get 15 or 20 MS players, I still feel Croom and co. need to recruit better out of state players to get to the next level. Croom has to find above-average to top-quality QB's out of state and somehow figure out how to lure them to MSU and that will be difficult obviously. Face it, MS is not the best place to recruit QB's (minus Favre and McNair) . But I hope I am wrong and Tyler Russel will be a good one.
Today, we're off probabtion completely, have an average QB but potential to be very good (Wes Carroll), a decent defense, building depth and by going to & winning the Bowl game last year, I think you are seeing some recruits especially in-state start to change their perception about Croom & MSU. Thev've seen the **** Croom has steadily mopped up & they want to see what he can do with a clean and healthy program.
Plus, the early verbals are the norm now and this trend will probably continue. Go take a look at Auburn's early verbals, or even a school like freaking Cincinnati has like 15 verbals (WTF?).
While its good to get 15 or 20 MS players, I still feel Croom and co. need to recruit better out of state players to get to the next level. Croom has to find above-average to top-quality QB's out of state and somehow figure out how to lure them to MSU and that will be difficult obviously. Face it, MS is not the best place to recruit QB's (minus Favre and McNair) . But I hope I am wrong and Tyler Russel will be a good one.
I'm not saying that the AD can release the names, but Gene can, and does. Gene is supposedly the voice from inside the AD, and I imagine that he would be very willing to release or not release commits when/if the AD/Croom wanted him to. Obviously that wasn't too clear.
I'm just not used to all of the changes going on. It's weird. We have a baseball coach that gives a **** about something other than trying to fight the NCAA and making sure that the baseball camp stays intact, and now we are coming off of an eight win season and are actually bringing in some good looking players who have offers from places other than Samford and Troy. Next thing you know, the SEC will want to ban the cowbells and Byrne will vote "no".
I'm just not used to all of the changes going on. It's weird. We have a baseball coach that gives a **** about something other than trying to fight the NCAA and making sure that the baseball camp stays intact, and now we are coming off of an eight win season and are actually bringing in some good looking players who have offers from places other than Samford and Troy. Next thing you know, the SEC will want to ban the cowbells and Byrne will vote "no".
I've never seen a Buy/Sell premised on such faulty logic and paranoia. Is it that hard to enjoy good news?
There have been plenty of instances this season where Rivals or Bulldawg Junction beats Gene to punch and publishes an interview with a HS player saying he committed to MSU. The only instance of a recruit keeping his commitment private was Robert Elliot and it was 2 seasons ago. Furthermore, I doubt Greg Byrne or anyone below him in the AD has anything more than a casual knowledge of who is committed and who isn't. They certainly aren't orchestrating things.
Here's how commitments get out to the public:
1. Joe Blow commits to coach Croom in person or over the phone.
2a. Joe Blow calls Reporter A and tells him he committed.
2b. Reporter A calls Joe Blow when he gets home and Joe Blow tells him he committed.
3. Reporter A publishes the news on his website and updates MSU's commitment list.
4. Reporters B, C and D call Joe Blow to make sure it's true.
5. Reporters B, C and D repeat step 3.
Notice how Croom and the AD have very little to do with the process.
Here's how commitments get out to the public:
1. Joe Blow commits to coach Croom in person or over the phone.
2a. Joe Blow calls Reporter A and tells him he committed.
2b. Reporter A calls Joe Blow when he gets home and Joe Blow tells him he committed.
3. Reporter A publishes the news on his website and updates MSU's commitment list.
4. Reporters B, C and D call Joe Blow to make sure it's true.
5. Reporters B, C and D repeat step 3.
Notice how Croom and the AD have very little to do with the process.
Todd, I can see where you're coming from regarding Gene. Hell, I've been saying for years that the reason Steve and Gene constantly "break commitment news" is that they are informed by someone on the inside just about as soon as something happens. However, that has nothing to do with the other MSU sites or the sites of other teams that are recruiting the same guys and are calling the recruits weekly as well. Commitment news is going to break eventually whether GP does it first or not.
Todd4State said:
Is Gene releasing this stuff for Bulldawg junction and the other recruiting sites out there?
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he hasn`t caught on to any aspect of being D1 head football coach quickly. He`s hopefully starting to "get it" and will do the successful things he`s doing now with the same devotion he`s had for the backwards **** he`s been doing along the way on his loooooooooong learnig curve.</p>