Ah -- so it's best to define recruiting by players that haven't seen the court yet. Got it. Makes perfect sense**
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Ah -- so it's best to define recruiting by players that haven't seen the court yet. Got it. Makes perfect sense**
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did i eVER say our baseball team wasn't very good, straight up? I've been Cohen's biggest supporter from day one...and once aGAIN, you are still too ignorant to understand my reasoning behind the attendance post.
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ETA: Just checked back on that thread, since that's the only thing you can seem to bring up, and it just reminded me of your lack of comprehension. The thread was about "actual" butts in seats and you went off on some tangent about tickets sold. I wasn't arguing that, Einstein. I even said that if we get 9500/game actual attendance I'd eat crow. Please show me where I was wrong?
did i eVER say our baseball team wasn't very good, straight up? I've been Cohen's biggest supporter from day one...and once aGAIN, you are still too ignorant to understand my reasoning behind the attendance post.
Hey, FIRE MULLENZ!! Hire HUD!!
ETA: Just checked back on that thread, since that's the only thing you can seem to bring up, and it just reminded me of your lack of comprehension. The thread was about "actual" butts in seats and you went off on some tangent about tickets sold. I wasn't arguing that, Einstein. I even said that if we get 9500/game actual attendance I'd eat crow. Please show me where I was wrong?
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to compare college baseball and college basketball is not a very good way to make a point.
to compare college baseball and college basketball is not a very good way to make a point.
Daniels and Ndoye werent "big contributors" in their last stops, yet they were going to be right away in D1? Lewis was never anything more than a role player and I don't remember Applewhite being a "big contributor" in the dozen or so games he played in. You could make an arguement for Steele being a contributor, but if a program is relying on those 5 you mentioned to be "big contributors", that aint good.
So, who's fault is it that ....
In his first and SECOND year as HC, Ray only has eight available scholarship players that can play.
Obama still blames Bush; many on here still blame Stans for Ray's recruiting issues.
I would just like to read one article about how 'relentless' the MSU coaching staff is out recruiting and competing for at least one decent player.
In his first and SECOND year as HC, Ray only has eight available scholarship players that can play.
Obama still blames Bush; many on here still blame Stans for Ray's recruiting issues.
I would just like to read one article about how 'relentless' the MSU coaching staff is out recruiting and competing for at least one decent player.
And YOU, once again, miss my point on that post.
Our fans are at the exact same point right now that they were all losing their minds in year 2 under Cohen. Difference being, that team QUIT on Cohen -- this one is still playing it's *** off for Ray. There was a time when the majority of fans thought he was a mistake and would fail here -- and a bunch of people were ready to get rid of him. Ray is at the same point in time -- in a similar "culture change" rebuild -- and our fans are still too dumb to just let it play out into year 3 even given a VERY RECENT example that made many of them into fools -- when year 3 will tell the actual story either way. Currently, Ray still has numerous legitimate excuses. All of those go out the window next year -- and it's time to put an NIT team on the court or we need to start considering other options.
I get painted as a "Ray lover" simply because I say you can't take **** from the first 2 years in this type of rebuild. Year 3 -- we'll have a really good idea of our longterm direction and possibilities. Flipping out before then is no different than doing the same under Cohen.
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My favorite Engie-isms, in no particular order:
- if you disagree with him on more than one occasion or have the audacity to point out a time he was dead wrong, you are OBSESSED with him;
- capitalization OF random words FOR no discernible reason;
- constantly changing the argument to respond to arguments that no one is actually making;
- belittling anyone who happens to hold an opinion different than the opinion he holds right now, even if your opinion is the same one he held like two months ago;
- logical counter-arguments to his arguments are either (1) SPIN! (2) STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS! (still pretty sure he has no idea what this means), (3) DEFLECTION! or (4) AN AGENDA! (I think he does paper-rock-scissors with himself to decide which one to go with on any given occasion.)
/OBSESSED!!!!
- if you disagree with him on more than one occasion or have the audacity to point out a time he was dead wrong, you are OBSESSED with him;
- capitalization OF random words FOR no discernible reason;
- constantly changing the argument to respond to arguments that no one is actually making;
- belittling anyone who happens to hold an opinion different than the opinion he holds right now, even if your opinion is the same one he held like two months ago;
- logical counter-arguments to his arguments are either (1) SPIN! (2) STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS! (still pretty sure he has no idea what this means), (3) DEFLECTION! or (4) AN AGENDA! (I think he does paper-rock-scissors with himself to decide which one to go with on any given occasion.)
/OBSESSED!!!!
I guess you really need this spelled out for you...
- Sign a full roster.
- The NCAA has a hard-on for your program and penalizes Ndoye a year. Now we're down to 12.
- Daniels fails to pass ONE CLASS that would have gotten him eligible on time. Now we're down to 11.
- Jalen Steele is cleared medically, but is a selfish player and wants to redshirt and come back next year -- when we've already signed away his spot(yes, we were at 13 scholarships signed prior to Applewhite's transfer). Now we're down to 10.
- Wendell Lewis smokes his way out of basketball his senior year like ?how many? of his previous teammates. Now we're down to 9.
- A Ray signee, Applewhite, decides he's a selfish player too and transfers midseason. He doesn't deserve another opportunity for pulling that ****. Now we're down to 8.
Ray is at least partially to blame for Applewhite transferring and Daniels not getting in. Although NEITHER of those would have made a damn to us IF Steele and Lewis are here, healthy, and playing. You add those 2 pieces back, one being a shooter we sorely lacked this year and the other being someone with size to defend and spell Ware that we SORELY lacked this year, this team is a borderline NIT team. I blame 0% of those two guys leaving on Rick Ray whatsoever. And those were pieces he "expected" to have in the fall.
Year 3, the cupboard is full -- and we'll begin to know one way or another.
Here we go...
It's completely acceptable to get on a coach for lack of recruiting in Y2 for basketball, where it takes one player to changes things, compared to baseball (where it takes many). That was my point, and why I think it's an invalid comparison.
It's completely acceptable to get on a coach for lack of recruiting in Y2 for basketball, where it takes one player to changes things, compared to baseball (where it takes many). That was my point, and why I think it's an invalid comparison.
This thread just needs some Red Victory and we'll be full circle with the obsession.
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What one player has "changed things" in the SEC in basketball? That's a common misnomer. Do I need to go through all the 4*s and 5*s Arkansas, Tennessee, LSU, Alabama, Mizzou, even South Carolina, Vandy, etc have signed again? Why, then, are those programs not "fixed" and rolling on their way to the NCAAs?
Here's just one example:
Shouldn't this program be kicking *** and taking names right now? I mean, they already had a roster with a few borderline elite talents on it with a new coach walking into a pretty good situation -- so this team should certainly be NCAA bound, should it not?
The thing is -- no one can show me ONE coach hired in the SEC in the past decade that "fixed it" in years 1 or 2 with one or even a couple of players that went on to have sustained success, sans the UK position for obvious reasons.
So, why do we have to follow the exact same blueprint that everyone else is proving isn't working?
So
you're now suggesting it doesn't take longer to change a baseball program than a basketball program.
That's the point, that the timeline for reversing a basketball program is/should be shorter than that of a baseball program. Thus, the two examples you used werent valid, in my mind.
you're now suggesting it doesn't take longer to change a baseball program than a basketball program.
That's the point, that the timeline for reversing a basketball program is/should be shorter than that of a baseball program. Thus, the two examples you used werent valid, in my mind.
Arlo pls. Maybe you can dedicate a few segments to me on your radio show -- you know -- to show the extent to which you aren't obsessed or anything** Especially about "pretending to know something" information to lose your mind about -- which your cousin is also privy to and got from the same source as me. No need to apologize though HD. Just keep fighting the good fight.
Thread obviously has zero to do with Ole Miss -- which is the common excuse OM fans use for reading SPS. Yet you take it upon yourself to seek out my posts and reply with a typical "call out" that might as well be a pasted reply you've given the last 10 times you attempted interaction with me -- which has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Yep, you've totally proven the extent of your non-obsession...
My radio show? My cousin and his sources? Apologizing through HD? I confess I'm completely lost. Either you've completely lost your mind, you have me confused with someone else, or both. I have no radio show, although it would be kinda cool if I did I guess (although I would be a bit of an anomaly among practicing attorneys; maybe I could broadcast from my office?) Please elaborate on what my radio show is and who my cousin is. This is very funny. Please, I beg you.
I'm saying that in theory you should be able to turn a basketball program sooner -- but the reality has been VERY DIFFERENT from that league-wide sans UK in the SEC for the better part of a decade now. NO ONE is turning basketball programs around quickly in this league at this point. It's simply not happening. Hell, it took Donovan 3 years at Florida back in the 90s -- which no one would confuse with a similar recruiting challenge to Starkville today.
I'm saying that it's completely unfair to start judge what Ray is/can be in year 2 given what he inherited and the mess he's had to clean up. I thought we were going to be better this year than we ultimately are. I thought the same about year 2 under Cohen too. I thought we could get to 16-17 games this year. We're playing better of late -- but we're going to come up shy of that. Ultimately, we don't know much about Ray's recruiting -- because he only has one player that he got a full cycle to recruit on the floor that's largely having to play out of position right now.
Year 3 will tell the story on Ray on every front... Recruiting, development, coaching. If we aren't an NIT team by then -- or very close -- I'm going to be off the bandwagon with everyone else. Right now, that judgement is simply premature.
Yep -- you missed that one totally. It was directed at HD6 -- and the post you basically "took up for" in your initial reply to me.
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I would attribute it less to me "missing that one" than your piss poor ability to write a coherent post. You began by addressing "Arlo" (that's me), followed by the word "you" only three words letter, thereby giving the impression that you (Engie) were speaking to me about "my" radio show (which I don't have). In your second paragraph you (Engie) continue to use the word "you," but now it seems you were speaking to me. In sum, if you could clean up your piss poor attempts at using pronouns to convey your thoughts with clarity, I'll do my best to follow along accordingly.
I agree, Ray is not a good recruiter.
You have to be on the road all the time, Stans would come to Jax to watch a High School game immediatly after we played in S-Vegas.
Rick either doesn't know how to recruit or is just lazy.
I shouldn't have said big contributor. I agree, I didn't list any all sec contributors. But what I did list were warm bodies that would spell the guys that we have right now. Our current guys being fresh would make a world of difference in my opinion and we wouldn't be having to relying on some of the lesser talented ones as much
Good gawd we are even more of an embarrassment off the court than on it. Didn't think that was possible. For a coach that sells relentless effort he sure is a lazy recruiter. Next time we hire a basketball coach just let Dan Mullen make the hire. I think his Florida/Ohio State connections would land us 50 guys better than our current one Stricklin chose on his own.
Hahahahahahaha. 17'n GOLD! Nailed IT! engie IS the BIGGEST douchebag in MESSAGE board HISTORY. And Don't YOU ever TRY to ARGUE with him EITHER or he WILL put YOU in YOUR place BECAUSE he KNOWS it ALL and if YOU don't believe THAT, just ask HIM!
Just for the record Sword is a Stansbury recruit oh and so was Lewis (failed drug tests), Steele, (suspended several times and quit the team) and of course there is the biggest one of all, guess?? Point is there are successes and failures so you're comparison really has minimal merit.
Ironically, "STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS" equals "changing the argument to respond to arguments that no one is actually making."