You can still call yourself a fan but if you want Rutgers to fail in ANYTHING, you are no Loyal Son/Daughter.
By winning do we lose?
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I will hope hope that the OP is just a troll and not a real fan.
But, here is the answer anyway...
I don't care who the HC is! I have zero loyalty to any HC (unless they brings us a National Championship).
My loyalty is to the program and to the school. I want to the team to win, so I love every single win. No matter how it happens, I will take it. Clearly fans want to win without getting into the news for all the wrong reasons of course.
So if Flood gets us to win games and play hard then I and most clear minded folks will want him here as long as that is true, if he can't do that then he should be replaced with someone who can win and get the team to play hard.
I don't have anything against Flood, I just want to win, if that is with Flood as the HC or someone else, it does not matter one bit, JUST WIN and don't embarrass us in the process.
But, here is the answer anyway...
I don't care who the HC is! I have zero loyalty to any HC (unless they brings us a National Championship).
My loyalty is to the program and to the school. I want to the team to win, so I love every single win. No matter how it happens, I will take it. Clearly fans want to win without getting into the news for all the wrong reasons of course.
So if Flood gets us to win games and play hard then I and most clear minded folks will want him here as long as that is true, if he can't do that then he should be replaced with someone who can win and get the team to play hard.
I don't have anything against Flood, I just want to win, if that is with Flood as the HC or someone else, it does not matter one bit, JUST WIN and don't embarrass us in the process.
Really?
Please document the damage inflicted on the program by RU beating USF in 2013 ... and with something OTHER than "Flood saved his job."
My understanding of the facts are that RU went 8-5 in 2014, that the 2015 recruiting class was better than the 2014 recruiting class (which was weak due to the issues in 2013 - for which the head coach takes ultimate responsibility), and the 2016 recruiting class is looking better than the 2015 class. And though losing to Wash State sucked, and getting *****-slapped by PSU was as bad or worse, RU did something in 2015 they were not able to do in 2015: Play a Top 10 ranked team in a close and competitive game (Michigan State). Plus, RU just clawed their way to a miraculous road win against a favored team,on the road.
So please offer some evidence of the damage inflicted on the program, rather than just your OPINION that RU could do better than Flood right now (maybe RU can, maybe even they should ... but the evidence?).
You go home.
And the CBs need to turn their head to defend the pass.
Another QB has a Career Game record for Passing yards against Rutgers.
What's that 10 in the last 2 years. "Not looking" to defend the pass is not working.
Thanks coach , your couch has a great one.
1. I am not defending Flood, I have my issues with him, but firing Flood is no guarantee of future success.
2. If you prefer that we suck so we will lose, this would mean you would actually watch our games and root for other team? Seriously?
3. This reminds me of a radio show call in after a basketball loss when the caller said the same thing, that he hoped we would lose our last 6 games so they would fire the coach. The host then reminded the caller that if they ran the table they would make the NCAA tournament. All you heard after that was mumbling.
Very much intended. Always. I might have to change my avatar to read: "Sexually Themed Puns Is My Thing, Baby".
[QUOTE="Flood seems to have built good relationships with the HS coaches, has an eye for talent, good guy who has shown the ability to learn and change. Who do you want to bring in and where is the money coming from? As one of the above posters mentioned, upgrade the assistants, we probably have money for that at this stage. Baby steps, Flood gets another year and if than he fails than we will have the money to get someone that won't be a band-aid fix.[/QUOTE]
As I've said on numerous times, I don't think Flood is the long-term answer for Rutgers.
But how can anyone say that Flood having good relationships with HS coaches is an asset when Flood has failed to lure NJ's best hs players ?
I'm still trying to figure out how Flood recently developed an eye for talent??? as some attribute.
Do you not remember when he was our Offensive coordinator and was in charge of OL recruiting? The result of it is we allowed sacks at record pace and didn't have a running game.
As I've said on numerous times, I don't think Flood is the long-term answer for Rutgers.
But how can anyone say that Flood having good relationships with HS coaches is an asset when Flood has failed to lure NJ's best hs players ?
I'm still trying to figure out how Flood recently developed an eye for talent??? as some attribute.
Do you not remember when he was our Offensive coordinator and was in charge of OL recruiting? The result of it is we allowed sacks at record pace and didn't have a running game.
As I've said on numerous times, I don't think Flood is the long-term answer for Rutgers.
But how can anyone say that Flood having good relationships with HS coaches is an asset when Flood has failed to lure NJ's best hs players ?
I'm still trying to figure out how Flood recently developed an eye for talent??? as some attribute.
Do you not remember when he was our Offensive coordinator and was in charge of OL recruiting? The result of it is we allowed sacks at record pace and didn't have a running game.[/QUOTE]
As OC he was part of game planning...not calling the plays....He was also NOT in charge of OL recruiting.....Schiano was.
As OC he was part of game planning...not calling the plays....He was also NOT in charge of OL recruiting.....Schiano was.[/QUOTE]
Hello, I said OL, not OC...geesh.....
The win over USF in overtime was in 2011 when Schiano was here. In 2013 we smoked a terrible team.
I think people are throwing this idea around WAY too lightly. Getting rid of Flood would be a MAJOR set back on many fronts.
First, Flood and his assistant have finally gotten 4 years to really establish their relationships with HS coaches and teams. This is the reason that we have literally had the very best recruits EVER all over our campus constantly coming in for visits. Yes, he has yet to close the deal on the very elite of the elite NJ recruits, but I would argue that our chances of getting Top 5 NJ recruits over the next 3 years is MUCH higher with Flood and crew than it is to bring in a new coach who has to start from scratch.
Second, we have the 39th ranked recruiting class in the country. This is a big deal and there are a lot of recruits who I think can become big time players in the BIG10. (Russo, Rene, and Seymour are 3 people right off the top of my head that have the possibly to become all BIG10 First Team and I am sure there are more that I can't think of right this second.) If we lose Flood, then you know this class will not be as strong by signing day as it would be with Flood.
Third, the players play their hearts out for Flood. It is not a coincidence that the 2 biggest comebacks in RU history have happened under Flood. The players play hard for the full 60 minutes with Flood as their coach and this is important.
Fourth, we just went 8-5 in our first year in the BIG10 and we are somehow 3-3 after losing our 4 year starting QB, our best dfefensive player in Hamilton, having our entire secondary decimated, and losing our coach for 3 games.
So yes maybe eventually we may need to upgrade and get like a BIG TIME coach to win the Rose Bowl or something, but as of now Flood is by far our best option for the future IMO.
First, Flood and his assistant have finally gotten 4 years to really establish their relationships with HS coaches and teams. This is the reason that we have literally had the very best recruits EVER all over our campus constantly coming in for visits. Yes, he has yet to close the deal on the very elite of the elite NJ recruits, but I would argue that our chances of getting Top 5 NJ recruits over the next 3 years is MUCH higher with Flood and crew than it is to bring in a new coach who has to start from scratch.
Second, we have the 39th ranked recruiting class in the country. This is a big deal and there are a lot of recruits who I think can become big time players in the BIG10. (Russo, Rene, and Seymour are 3 people right off the top of my head that have the possibly to become all BIG10 First Team and I am sure there are more that I can't think of right this second.) If we lose Flood, then you know this class will not be as strong by signing day as it would be with Flood.
Third, the players play their hearts out for Flood. It is not a coincidence that the 2 biggest comebacks in RU history have happened under Flood. The players play hard for the full 60 minutes with Flood as their coach and this is important.
Fourth, we just went 8-5 in our first year in the BIG10 and we are somehow 3-3 after losing our 4 year starting QB, our best dfefensive player in Hamilton, having our entire secondary decimated, and losing our coach for 3 games.
So yes maybe eventually we may need to upgrade and get like a BIG TIME coach to win the Rose Bowl or something, but as of now Flood is by far our best option for the future IMO.
I always want Rutgers to win ... ESPECIALLY if it means pissing off people who want to see Rutgers lose in order to validate their crackpot coaching prejudices.
Even when we've had some sucky head coaches....and we've definitely had more than our share of those...I could not conceive of rooting against Rutgers. You should go away. You can't possibly be a Rutgers fan.
BTW, were you also rooting against Rutgers during the Anderson years and the Shea years and the end of the Graber years ? Hell, you might have been rooting AGAINST the Scarlet Knights more frequently then you were rooting FOR them.
The day I root for a team to lose which I follow or even consider doing so, is the day I realize I lost the reason for watching and will not do so anymore. It would also be the day I would start considering myself a moron.
Welcome to the club. Lots of us think you are to be considered a moron already.:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Oh man. My friend, it is only because I love you that I'm going to let that perfectly teed up shot go unhit. Also because I agree with you. Well, all but that last sentence.
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That's cool. I probably think the same about those people. Even so, I ain't rooting against Rutgers under any scenario. It's stupid.
If only you had stopped here, everyone wouldn't think of you as a troll. Perhaps you need to be reminded of your obligations as part of the RU Family...
Some of us have lived through the Shea Error. That was the worst.
Flood may end up getting sent packing soon enough, but he sure as hell isn't the worst.
I think Rutgers has proven that they are not going to spend money so Flood is not going to get fired. Also even if he was do you really think the next coach would be better? Remember that we only spending a $1 million on a coach so anyone making more or looking for more is off the table.
I hope he's here for another decade because keeping him here for another 10 years would almost certainly be predicated on at least one East Division title and a pair of New Year's Day games.
As long as he's here, he's my guy. The minute they swear in the next one, then that one's my guy. Flood's here now, and I hope he goes > .800 against the Big Ten through 2025.