Don't all good leaders make sure they have good people around them? Michigan isn't much better just because of Harbaugh, but much better because of him and the staff he brought in.
By winning do we lose?
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Don't all good leaders make sure they have good people around them? Michigan isn't much better just because of Harbaugh, but much better because of him and the staff he brought in.
most teams have idiotic fans - same as us. The exposure is when you sit next to the blowhard screaming about everything at the game or read these stupid posts on the message boards or in the comments section of articles. Unless your Alabama or Ohio St-level you really don't blow everybody out most weeks - and even those teams don't. The kids know that the other team has highly recruited scholarship players who want to win too and that the games will generally turn on a few plays each week. If our DB holds that interception against WSU we would be 4-2 right now, but 3-3 isn't bad and we have a solid young QB (or do you want to see him fail too so Rettig can play?) and some good offensive skill players. The ONLY reason to even think of replacing Flood is due to how he handled Barnwell and if he is in fact losing control of the players off the field....that's a large part of his job also and I can completely understand if he is sacked for those reasons. I would rather not have a football team that wins on the field and then causes mayhem to the general student population off of it. But what he has done on the field the last 2 years in no way warrants dismissal. We have played hard and while we don't always win, we have been entertaining and fun to watch.
No I don't want to lose ever that's just asinine thinking. I'm actually quite surprised at the play on offense and special teams we've had the last two weeks. After psu I thought this team was dead. Flood's offenses are miles ahead of what we have seen in a long time. Special teams are still above average to good. So if he can just fix the defense we might finally have a complete team. I didn't like the Flood hire and he needs good coordinators to be successful. But if RU had opened up the purse strings just a little and out bid Arkansas for Smith I think we all would be quite pleased right now. Rossi was a fall back hire and really didn't deserve the promotion as he's not qualified for the job. If Flood drops the dead weight at the end of the year and can identify a good DC to replace him, I think we could be onto something.
It depends. If you think RU would actually shell out money for a clear upgrade, then yes, going say, 6-6 and edging into the Fort Worth Bowl and keeping Flood is probably a net loss for the program, long term.
But since none of us know whether RU would spend that money, no - given the uncertainty, its better to win and keep Flood and have all of the benefits of winning, than to lose nad either keep Flood or replace him with a similar level coach and get the downsides that come with losing. That compounded by the fact that our recruiting seems to be taking an upswing - if we lose, the recruiting likely goes down, and we might still get stuck with Flood. If we win, probably not.
This is doubly so, because this year looks like alot of coaching jobs are open - including in the general area (MD, VA), which makes the risk of firing Flood higher than say 2013 when there were very few openings, especially in the East.
I dont think its asinine to want to lose if you think it gets you a better coach. I'm guessing MD fans don't mind losing this year, if it means a year or two head start on employing Under Armour's money in getting a new and better HC.
But we arent in that position - so we should definitely root for winning.
Anytime Mad.
I was out in Bloomington cheering on RU. Not happy that another QB had a career game vs. Rutgers.
Very happy with the don't quit attitude and great comeback .
How were your seats ? You probably need a new couch.
I don't want Flood as the HC of Rutgers. I believe that every year that he is coach is two years that will be needed to rebuild what he is destroying.
That said, once the kick off starts, I am the biggest Kyle Flood fan there is. Those who serve in the military understand this. You may disagree with the purpose of a mission. You may philosophically disagree with why you are going to war. But once the battle starts, you're all in 100%.
I will never root for Rutgers to lose. NEVER!
That said, once the kick off starts, I am the biggest Kyle Flood fan there is. Those who serve in the military understand this. You may disagree with the purpose of a mission. You may philosophically disagree with why you are going to war. But once the battle starts, you're all in 100%.
I will never root for Rutgers to lose. NEVER!
No, no, no. Sheep as livestock? Never! How insensitive!
Sheep are very close friends w/their own wants and needs and should be loved and cherished. They aren't cows or pigs or chickens. Banish the thought.
I don't think Flood is the answer either. But I'm rooting like hell for him to prove me wrong
If I didn't do this during Littlepage's third year, of Shea's fifth -- not that I thought I had to during those seasons -- I sure as hell am not going to do it now. Hey, he wins certain games and maybe that key recruit or two give us another look. You just don't know.
All I can say is wow. OP is rooting for us to lose so we can fire the coach. And the most important objective is to fire Flood. Wow.
I hope he's here for another decade because keeping him here for another 10 years would almost certainly be predicated on at least one East Division title and a pair of New Year's Day games.
As long as he's here, he's my guy. The minute they swear in the next one, then that one's my guy. Flood's here now, and I hope he goes > .800 against the Big Ten through 2025./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Well that's nothing that anyone would argue with. But it's silly-everyone is for a coach who is .800 and has new years day bowls.
You have been on the attack when anyone who questions Flood which is quite different. I can respect your take of supporting any RU current caretaker. That blind loyalty doesn't go to merits, but to just supporting whoever is in the chair, such that I'm surprised the defense of Flood has been so full throated. For what it's worth I do appreciate the loyalty, but we take that loyalty in two separate directions.
One is absolute support for the current caretaker. The other is fully supporting the institution and holding the caretakers responsible to be worthy of their positions-loyalty to RU rather than the current coach. Distinction I see is support for coach should be there but loyalty to RU, whereas the blind support of the coach seems to reach the level I would reserve only for RU. The caretaker need earn their tenure continually such that the support is not blind.
If we go to a NY day bowl I don't think we'll have much to discuss. If we only beat teams at or below our level and there is off the filed issues, then there will be discussions.
As long as he's here, he's my guy. The minute they swear in the next one, then that one's my guy. Flood's here now, and I hope he goes > .800 against the Big Ten through 2025./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Well that's nothing that anyone would argue with. But it's silly-everyone is for a coach who is .800 and has new years day bowls.
You have been on the attack when anyone who questions Flood which is quite different. I can respect your take of supporting any RU current caretaker. That blind loyalty doesn't go to merits, but to just supporting whoever is in the chair, such that I'm surprised the defense of Flood has been so full throated. For what it's worth I do appreciate the loyalty, but we take that loyalty in two separate directions.
One is absolute support for the current caretaker. The other is fully supporting the institution and holding the caretakers responsible to be worthy of their positions-loyalty to RU rather than the current coach. Distinction I see is support for coach should be there but loyalty to RU, whereas the blind support of the coach seems to reach the level I would reserve only for RU. The caretaker need earn their tenure continually such that the support is not blind.
If we go to a NY day bowl I don't think we'll have much to discuss. If we only beat teams at or below our level and there is off the filed issues, then there will be discussions.
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Please read my initial post... I copied it below: (You quoted someone else's quote)
"As I've said on numerous times, I don't think Flood is the long-term answer for Rutgers.
But how can anyone say that Flood having good relationships with HS coaches is an asset when Flood has failed to lure NJ's best hs players ?
I'm still trying to figure out how Flood recently developed an eye for talent??? as some attribute.
Do you not remember when he was our Offensive coordinator and was in charge of OL recruiting? The result of it is we allowed sacks at record pace and didn't have a running game."
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Just for clarification, I do not agree with the OP. That is the wrong mentality.
I agree with RU2055, and Der in part.
At the end of the day though, the OP's mentality is no more poisonous than the mentality that the coaching staff should never be questioned, which the 5% is pushing in every thread.
Flood has to be evaluated at the end of the season and his off the field shenaningans will be evaluated along with on the field results. I want RU to win every game and will root in kind and be in my seat going crazy. That doesn't mean I cannot or should not point out the many major problems.
Just for clarification, I do not agree with the OP. That is the wrong mentality.
I agree with RU2055, and Der in part.
At the end of the day though, the OP's mentality is no more poisonous than the mentality that the coaching staff should never be questioned, which the 5% is pushing in every thread.
Flood has to be evaluated at the end of the season and his off the field shenaningans will be evaluated along with on the field results. I want RU to win every game and will root in kind and be in my seat going crazy. That doesn't mean I cannot or should not point out the many major problems.
Just so we're clear, I never accused nor did it ever cross my mind you felt that way (rooting to lose).
I have to disagree. They're not in the same universe. One is a coach. They're fair game no matter what your opinion may be.
The other is rooting against not only the coaching staff but Carroo, Lumpkin, Mera, Cioffi, etc. There is no way anyone but a really sick "Rutgers fan" can go to a game or watch on TV wanting the worst for the kids who put on the Rutgers uniform. Even Clarence Darrow couldn't come up with a defense of that.
Characterizing my rhetoric as "being on the attack whenever anyone questions Flood," is a rather gross misrepresentation of how I've confronted the calls for his dismissal, but that's neither a surprise, nor is it of great concern. It's unimportant in much the same way thinking that calls for the coach to get the backup QB some snaps, or that the AD fires the head coach, or that the BOG fires the University President is loyalty to the institution.
When I go "on the attack whenever anyone" goes off on one of these tirades, it's not to question their loyalty to Rutgers, it's to point out how counter-productive their rhetoric is to their own self interest. Contrary to your rebuttals in previous threads, I lack the power to censor anyone's speech on the matter, but not the ability to call such message board posturing for what it really is.
As long as he's here, Flood's my guy, and I want him to do well. I honestly think he's capable of much more than a majority of others do, and I'm very confident that if Julie Hermann didn't think so, too, then she'd be shopping for his successor.