Bye bye charters

[No Mercy]

There are some issues with the bill. Doing away with fines is stupid. Its like pulling teeth to get schools to turm in things or update max preps, if we dont have fines itll be even worse. A demerit system leading to forefeits, etc is even dumber, as you would now be directly punishing kids who had no hand in violations.

We have people making laws who have only a limited idea of what is actually going on. Same thing they do with education. Its basically a group of irate parents trying to take over but knowing just enough to be dangerous.

That being said, something should have been done about charters long ago. However, i think there needs to be verbage that would include county wide prep schools with no set attendence district like WS prep. They are a huge problem too.

I also dislike the use of anything other than numbers to divide the classes. I like more oversight and less the NCHSAA governing itself in the appeals process. I like more accountability.

Its the chickens coming home to roost for the NCHSAA. Much like the NCAA and its NIL issue, by waiting and constantly ignoring a problem theyve been told about for years, theyve had it taken out of their hands. That is funny to me. While I dont think the GA ca run sports better, I have never been a fan of the NCHSAA.

Whether this passes, i dont know. i dont think it was going to in its previous form. Gonna be interesting. if nothing else, I hope it kick starts the nchsaa to finally adress the charter issue.

One last thing- what bothers me is that the NCHSAA doesnt deal hardly at all with recruiting, eligibiltiy etc. They put it all off on the LEAs. To me a coach/captain retreat or small scholarship is great but what they SHOULD be doing is ACTUALLY ENFORCING THE RULES.

I hope if it does pass they wait 2 years to implement the new format, as scheduling etc is so far along that it would create chaos otherwise.

 

[Griddie]

Public schools aren't a place to install the concept of prayer. But hey, keep complaining about indoctrination.

Prayer is indoctrination lol? Good Lord

 

[Griddie]

The advantages include no requirements for transportation, lunch, lower qualification for teachers, etc.. Ask any traditional school teacher how much of their time goes into the things that charters don’t require. And how rigid the curriculum is in traditionals compared to charters. Curriculum is where that whole incubator thing has gone by the wayside. And how many traditional schools are “for profit”?
For profit schools are fine…but not at taxpayer expense. As for prayer, keep the school out of my kid’s education. My church and I will take care of that.

At least know what you are talking about. Athletically charters have an advantage period. My daughters went to one before going to the public schools. Anyone denying that is lying. But recruiting goes on all over, we all know it. It’s part of the game. Just put them in their own class. Easy fix. As far as transportation goes, most have buses that pick up kids, they have a lunch system, and generally get great teachers. The curriculum at the school my kids went to was top notch and they have kids going all over there including to Ivy League schools, and other top universities across the nation. The same can be said for Woods Charter, Raleigh Charter, Franklin Academy and others, I am certain. So you really need to do your homework if you think charters are lacking academically. As for prayer, well, that’s debatable. Imo it’s led to the decay of a lot of morals in the school public systems. But to each his own

 

[Thunder_struck8712]

Prayer is indoctrination lol? Good Lord

Forcing 1 religion on someone else is indoctrination. If you want to pray, that's what a moment of silence us, but you don't support the freedoms you believe in if you support school wide morning prayer.

 

[Mhsneer]

Forcing 1 religion on someone else is indoctrination. If you want to pray, that's what a moment of silence us, but you don't support the freedoms you believe in if you support school wide morning prayer.

What if Muslims demand prayers at school? Best to do our praying at home and church. Bottom line if you teach a kid at home they can pray individually at school.

 

[Mhsneer]

Charters are segregation of the poor and rich kids plain and simple.

 

[Mbulld]

If the poor kid is a good enough athlete he gets in

 

[Mhsneer]

Otherwise he/she watches their public school adm numbers decline, funding is reduced, and poor kids don’t get the extra help they need. It’s basically putting minorities and the poor into a really bad spot unless you are really athletic.

 

[Thunder_struck8712]

What if Muslims demand prayers at school? Best to do our praying at home and church. Bottom line if you teach a kid at home they can pray individually at school.

There should be no school wide prayer no matter Muslim or Christian.

 

[Mhsneer]

There should be no school wide prayer no matter Muslim or Christian.

Kinda what I was a getting at.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

You'd be shocked by some of the mtn schools

 

[Mhsneer]

You'd be shocked by some of the mtn schools

I just really don’t trust the products of liberal arts schools to teach my kids about faith. That’s our job as parents and if we did a better job of it we’d have better schools.

 

[Dadof23]

Charters are segregation of the poor and rich kids plain and simple.

I normally agree with most of your posts on here, however, you are 100% wrong with the above statement. I'm not sure what Charter(s) you have encountered, but a lot of Charters are the complete opposite. Take, for instance, Henderson Collegiate. Without that school, most of those kids wouldn't have a shot at much of anything. That school has provided a low-income area a chance at college and life.... the same thing could be said for Sugar Creek, Piedmont Charter, Cabarrus Charter, Lincoln Charter, Ridgeview Charter, KIPP, Union Academy, Queens Grant, Woods Charter, Chatham Charter....I could go on and on that debunks your theory. I would suggest and only a suggestion, before assuming anything about any Charter, walk the halls, look in the classrooms, look at the lack of facilities, but more importantly talk to these "rich" kids and you will find out that maybe they are at a Charter because they aren't anything near what you call rich. But they do have one thing in common...they all make sacrifices to better themselves because their traditional school failed them in too many areas.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

#HOMEGROWNNOTRECUITED!!!

 

[Niner79]

I do believe in Charter Schools as far a deregulation; the only problem I have is it leaves a higher percentage of "problem students" in traditional public schools. As a result you see those schools increasing in problems and decreasing in students.

 

[realjoejr]

What are they doing about the private schools? I'm sorry I haven't thought about this until recently with the season about halfway through. Are they doing anything about private schools? Is there a timeline?

 

[Old Mountaineer]

While there are issues with the nchsaa going from a private 501c3 to the government and politicians running it yeah that'll work out great

"The legislation also addresses classification of schools. It would allow charter and non-public schools to continue participating in the NCHSAA, but they would be bumped up a classification. All classifications would be determined based solely on enrollment."

So we just started a 4 year Re alignment and while I didn't like how they came up with classifications and it should be by just adm it leaves a short period of time for the NCHSAA and the State education board to come together and make all these changes a new re-alignment and conferences, rules etc.
The above quote won't just effect Charter schools right now you have public schools like example Polk adm 614 in 2A and Mtn Heritage adm 614 in 1A. Are they going to add 5A or upto 6A what's the cutoff adm? Not that I don't wish they had some different things this year but it's a lot to change with what's going to be a lot of chefs in the kitchen and have it all ready by next season.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

If any changes are made still has to pass Coopers desk. What do you think the chances of that happening?

He did have some issues with the senate version but as with most any bill the house will make changes and they'll negotiate on the final bill.. But a September 23rd News&Observer article stated ..."bipartisan group of House and Senate lawmakers and representatives of the NCHSAA, the State Board of Education, and the office of Gov. Roy Cooper had resulted in an agreement on a path forward for House Bill 91,"

 

[davisdorm]

That “agreement” was not on the content of the bill but on the idea to have all sides to meet together!!! Latest version said if State Board and NCHSAA could not come to an agreement then State would run it! Meaning if you have a problem with eligibility, realignment, sportsmanship, fighting in games, etc. then call your local legislator!!! Now if the warring schools are in the same legislative district it could be interesting for the local legislator. No fines just “demerits”! Why does your legislator want MORE problems????

 

[Old Mountaineer]

That “agreement” was not on the content of the bill but on the idea to have all sides to meet together!!! Latest version said if State Board and NCHSAA could not come to an agreement then State would run it! Meaning if you have a problem with eligibility, realignment, sportsmanship, fighting in games, etc. then call your local legislator!!! Now if the warring schools are in the same legislative district it could be interesting for the local legislator. No fines just “demerits”! Why does your legislator want MORE problems????

seems to me if the state wants to be involved in rules and regulations etc and maybe some oversight then OK whatever but seems after that let the nchsaa run the day to day operations like the things your referring to if not your going to have bigger mess then you have now.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

NCHSAA has been around since 1913 and I'm sure in that time period there's been lots of issues concerning student athletes and the schools were they've screwed up and maybe needed some kinda oversight there's things they've done that we all disagree with. But maybe I'm just cynical but just seems funny that the politicians didn't get so interested to write a bill until they learned about the $40 million in the bank of course they wouldn't try to figure out a way to get their hands on it.

 

[Thunder_struck8712]

It find great hypocrisy in the NCGA taking shots at the NCHSAA for their cash on hand while the NCGA doesn't want to use the huge surplus on hand in the state to fund the Leandro Plan as directed.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

It find great hypocrisy in the NCGA taking shots at the NCHSAA for their cash on hand while the NCGA doesn't want to use the huge surplus on hand in the state to fund the Leandro Plan as directed.

There was a House Bill 946 back in June that makes the NCGA to comply with the mandates in the Leandro case, but the majority leaders would'nt allow it to be taken up. But now I guess they'll have too
in September, the court ordered the state legislature to provide full funding for the Leandro plan by the next hearing on October 18. If lawmakers do not comply with the Superior Court Judge David Lee’s order, they will be held in contempt of court for failing to fulfill the constitutional mandate.

 

[Thunder_struck8712]

We are nearing the 18th and it doesn't even seem like a budget is close.

I'm curious what can and will actually be done if they don't comply.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Move charters up

 

[Old Mountaineer]

We are nearing the 18th and it doesn't even seem like a budget is close.

I'm curious what can and will actually be done if they don't comply.

good question...I just read about the NC Supreme Court order in an article.

 

[SitOut]

Move charters up

You might want the charters back if this causes the Reidsvilles and Shelbys of the world put down in 1a.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

That's ok but I'm still hoping for 5a which would negate some of those schools from coming down.

 

[Mbulld]

Simple solution cap the 1a at 500 move the charters and privates up and do 32 team tournament

 

[Mbulld]

If they really wanted to make 1a ball fair they would move any 1a team up that has opened a secondary school within its district that takes students away from their school to lower their numbers

 

[MHS1995]

If they really wanted to make 1a ball fair they would move any 1a team up that has opened a secondary school within its district that takes students away from their school to lower their numbers

Hell, why stop there? Let's move anybody up a classification that has a player on the team who doesn't have a minimum of 6 generations of family having lived in county.

 

[Pisgah Bear]

Did cooper have anything to do with the increase in charters a few years ago? Did he veto or was he even able to at that time.

When the charter schools got the same money per student as public schools do McCcrcy was Governor and the GOP controlled state Government.They had twice before passed that same bill and Perdue had vetoed it.Republicans love any thing that would eliminate public education.

 

[The Deerhunter]

Whether people realize it or not, Charter Schools were created to give parents an option for a better education for their kids. Most public city schools were failing at this. If I lived in Rutherford or Cleveland counties I would do my best to get my children into Thomas Jefferson. With that said, Charters do have an unfair advantage in 1A sports, especially basketball, and they are beginning to get there in football. I support school choice but I also think Charters should play up a class. It’s obvious if they want an athlete they get that athlete.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

Whether people realize it or not, Charter Schools were created to give parents an option for a better education for their kids. Most public city schools were failing at this. If I lived in Rutherford or Cleveland counties I would do my best to get my children into Thomas Jefferson. With that said, Charters do have an unfair advantage in 1A sports, especially basketball, and they are beginning to get there in football. I support school choice but I also think Charters should play up a class. It’s obvious if they want an athlete they get that athlete.

Charter schools just like public schools have good ones and bad ones as far as education around 25% of NC Charter schools have been shown as low performing only 50% of their teachers are even licensed. They take resources away from public schools taking $734.7 million out of the public school budget without any accountability or transparency of how they use the money and ran by a non-elected board. If you have enough money then send your kids to private school great but otherwise send them to public if as a parent you don't like some things at your school then get involved and people want a Charter or whatever fine but don't take tax money ment for public schools.

 

[Mhsneer]

Hell, why stop there? Let's move anybody up a classification that has a player on the team who doesn't have a minimum of 6 generations of family having lived in county.

Wouldn’t affect our team lol.