Cam Newton Weekend Stats
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I've got a source telling me that C. Newton and Mullen do not have a great relationship, actually that Cam doesn't particuarly like Mullen. We've heard in the past that Mullen can be a little prickly at first and apparently Cam going to UF had nothing to do with Mullen. However, Cam may still come to state b/c he knows he can be "the guy" from the second he steps on campus, I'd love to see Cam playing for us next year but if he comes it might be in spite of Mullen not b/c of him.
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Couldn't have been me, as you can clearly see I've only got 2 other posts, maybe the other guy and I got the same info from the same guy. This is all obviously in the realm of possibilities.
that Cameron, himself, has stated in multiple interviews that he has a great relationship with Dan. Where do you people come up with this stuff?
A. Newton has been told if he comes to State, the job will be his to lose. He likes this of course, and he also knows exactly what he can expect from Mullen. He doesnt have that kind of info or assurance from other places. He wants to make sure State can win though, so he won't waste the rest of his time in college.
B. Russell is going to have to battle the baseball guy for the back-up spot. Should he fall to number 3 after Spring practice, Russell may look elsewhere to transfer.
C. Relf is going to be asked to switch positions after it becomes apparent he is never going to play a snap at QB again.
B. Russell is going to have to battle the baseball guy for the back-up spot. Should he fall to number 3 after Spring practice, Russell may look elsewhere to transfer.
C. Relf is going to be asked to switch positions after it becomes apparent he is never going to play a snap at QB again.
I hate to talk like he is coming a jinx it but I think that Mullen views Russell as a better QB now than Relf but doesn't want to burn Russell's redshirt when he can use Relf a running option.
The reason I think this - because why would Mullen make the effort to lock up Russell right after he became our head coach? He knew he was going to go after Newton the second he took the job. I think Russell will evolve in the thext 6 - 9 months more than Relf and Relf will still be used situationally if Newton dosen't come. Russell starts and Relf still plays the role he is this year. If Newton comes it will be
Newton
Russell
Relf
Baseball Boy
The reason I think this - because why would Mullen make the effort to lock up Russell right after he became our head coach? He knew he was going to go after Newton the second he took the job. I think Russell will evolve in the thext 6 - 9 months more than Relf and Relf will still be used situationally if Newton dosen't come. Russell starts and Relf still plays the role he is this year. If Newton comes it will be
Newton
Russell
Relf
Baseball Boy
Russell as the better QB right now and I agree with your projected depth chart, but I think I disagree on how you got there.
I think Mullen made the effort to lock up Russell:
1) because we only had 2 QB's on our roster (or 1.5);
2) because he is good
3) because you just don't pass up on a blue chipper in your backyard; and
4) because of the impact Tyler could have on the other recruits, such as Bumphis, Cox, etc.
I don't think it had anything to do with Newton, although I do know Mullen was all over Newton as soon as he took the job.
I think Mullen made the effort to lock up Russell:
1) because we only had 2 QB's on our roster (or 1.5);
2) because he is good
3) because you just don't pass up on a blue chipper in your backyard; and
4) because of the impact Tyler could have on the other recruits, such as Bumphis, Cox, etc.
I don't think it had anything to do with Newton, although I do know Mullen was all over Newton as soon as he took the job.
From everything that was being said about Russell, he was a MSU guy. He recruited other MS guys to MSU and was the MS player of the year. Mullen's first action as MSU coach isn't to let this guy go to S.C. or Bama, he just couldn't do it, and if I was him, I would have done the same thing.
Im sure Mullen knew that Russell wasn't a great fit for the offense he was going to run, but he wasn't going to say that publically. Mullen said all the right things, and then did exactly what he should do and that is run the offense he knows that he is comfortable with. That is what he will do at MSU, and based on the first 5 games MSU has played the QB has to be able to run the option, and Russell is not an option QB.
If MSU signs Newton, Russell might as well transfer because Mullen isn't going to change the offense to fit one player. By the way, he shouldn't.
Im sure Mullen knew that Russell wasn't a great fit for the offense he was going to run, but he wasn't going to say that publically. Mullen said all the right things, and then did exactly what he should do and that is run the offense he knows that he is comfortable with. That is what he will do at MSU, and based on the first 5 games MSU has played the QB has to be able to run the option, and Russell is not an option QB.
If MSU signs Newton, Russell might as well transfer because Mullen isn't going to change the offense to fit one player. By the way, he shouldn't.
Russell will be fine. Decision making is the #1 characteristic of a good spread-option quarterback. If he is a passer, then you make the offense more of a passing offense. If Mullen feels that Newton is a better quarterback, then he needs to get him on campus to compete with TR and Relf. Good football schools bring in all of the talent that they can and let time tell who gets the job.OMlawdog said:
Where do you people get this ****? Because he is recruiting Newton? Because he is giving Relf a little PT? Because he had Tim Tebow?
I just don't buy it at all, if Mullen has said something to this effect in an interview, please direct me to it. All he has said all along is that he does not want to get pegged as just doing one thing, that he will fit his scheme to the players, that the spread is just about getting the ball in the playmakers hands, etc.
What I can see from the first 5 games is that Mullen can put up points with Tyson Lee at QB. What that tells me is that he can make just about anything work. Have we clocked Russell vs. Lee in the 40 yet? I doubt Russell is that much worse of an athlete than Lee, and we are moving the ball fine despite the fact he has half an arm and can't see over the line. In fact, if Mullen was so dead set on running the effing wildcat every play, why hasn't Relf been playing more?
Of course he would rather play Newton than Russell next year. Newton is more experienced, was an even bigger prospect out of HS, has played under Mullen, and by all accounts is the better OVERALL QB right now. Now I don't know if Russell is going to pan out, there are certainly boatloads of 4-star QBs that fall by the wayside every year, but IF he is a truly talented QB there is no doubt in my mind that Mullen/Koenning/Hudspeth would be giddy with what they could do with him at the helm, even with concrete boots on his feet.
I am just tired of seeing statements like this because it is all conjecture. I feel quite confident that Mullen would laugh in your face if you told him that you thought he would rather see Russell transfer than tweak his scheme to fit Russell's talents.
I may be wrong but I thought he was more of a pocket passser and lets be honest Lee cannot really run the option. Yea I know he kept the ball that one play against Vandy. </p>
I really have no idea where people are getting this whole "Russell doesn't fit Mullen's offense" thing. Mullen's proven he can win with QBs that are great runners and with QBs that are average runners. If we don't get Newton, Mullen will just adapt the offense for Russell and he'll start for 4 years. Even if we do get Newton, Russell is still going to get snaps.
Where has all this "Tyler Russell doesn't fit the offense" talk come from? Did the guy play in some under-center, drop back passing, pro-style offense in high school? Someone feel free to answer because I honestly don't know.
As others have pointed out, Mullen has said repeatedly that he will fit the offense to the talents of the players. Assuming Newton doesn't show up, if Russell isn't a better (or at least as good as a) runner than Lee or Relf, then I have no doubt that he'll throw a little more or that he'll hand off to the bevy of talented young running backs we'll have on the field.
Just because we run a "spread" offense doesn't mean that every play is a QB keep or pitch option.
As others have pointed out, Mullen has said repeatedly that he will fit the offense to the talents of the players. Assuming Newton doesn't show up, if Russell isn't a better (or at least as good as a) runner than Lee or Relf, then I have no doubt that he'll throw a little more or that he'll hand off to the bevy of talented young running backs we'll have on the field.
Just because we run a "spread" offense doesn't mean that every play is a QB keep or pitch option.
Yes the option is an element of it and yes he will still have to run it some but being a big, tall, 4.8 - 5.0 guy plays into this offense very well. Being able to get the football in the hands of your playmakers through the passing game constantly is just as important as being able to run the option. Cam Newton has both.
If Russell didn't play until his Rshirt JR year I have full confidence that Mullen would mold him into a player that could thrive in his offense. Not many players period come out of high school with the skill set Russell has.
Side note - Great point about Mullen wanting Russell for recruiting purposes. So true.
If Russell didn't play until his Rshirt JR year I have full confidence that Mullen would mold him into a player that could thrive in his offense. Not many players period come out of high school with the skill set Russell has.
Side note - Great point about Mullen wanting Russell for recruiting purposes. So true.
worth a damn, think how much better our offense would be right now. Newton might fit the "system" better, but based on the QB role in the offense right now, an offense that happens to be putting up good yards and numbers, Russell would do just fine. Lee hardly ever runs the ball and we're top four in the conference in rushing.
his ability, quit selling him short as he is a winner who happens to be a very smart QB. You and others need to take the wait and see approach and quit spreading rumors about something you don't know for fact, Russell has talent and will be fine in Mullen's offense. Also, it's real funny to read where folks say he will transfer AND he doesn't fit Mullen's style of offense, say what???? Mullen doesn't have a certain style in the spread, he has coached several different type QB's over his career and he runs what's best suited for the team and the QB. The spread is really a multiple formation offense, it has everything from the wishbone to the no back shotgun formation. Come on ya'll! Mullen has stated in public he doesn't have a certain style.
Lastly, don't get me wrong, I hope we get Newton as I do know he is the #1 prospect for this coaching staff.
Lastly, don't get me wrong, I hope we get Newton as I do know he is the #1 prospect for this coaching staff.
he averaged 3 ypc in 2003 and carried the ball 6 times less in 2 more games the next year. also, he had a 70 yard run that helped inflate those 2004 rushing stats. we're not talking about eric crouch or tommie frazier here.
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all joking aside, I think a lot of it stems from Newton's recruitment, then someone says, "well, thar ya go. see, Mullen don't want no pocket passer."
That evolves into Russell is not athletic, which evolves into he doesn't fit Mullen's scheme, yada yada yada.
The only thing anyone should take from our recruitment of Newton should be that Mullen happens to have a close relationship with a badass QB who, by all accounts, RIGHT NOW could be better than Tyler Russell in the damn west coast offense (or whatever other offense we have deemed that Russell is "best suited" to run), much less the spread. OF COURSE he is going to go after him.
That evolves into Russell is not athletic, which evolves into he doesn't fit Mullen's scheme, yada yada yada.
The only thing anyone should take from our recruitment of Newton should be that Mullen happens to have a close relationship with a badass QB who, by all accounts, RIGHT NOW could be better than Tyler Russell in the damn west coast offense (or whatever other offense we have deemed that Russell is "best suited" to run), much less the spread. OF COURSE he is going to go after him.
http://www.americanfootballmonthly.com/Subaccess/articles.php?article_id=4701&output=article
<font class="largemaroontext"><font class="medboldblacktext"><font class="medboldblacktext"><font class="medblacktext"><font class="medblacktext"><font class="medblacktext">"The quarterback is the most critical position in this offense. <font size="4"><span style="font-weight: bold;">And the quarterback must be able to run as well as throw the football</span></font>. And he also must be able to make good decisions quickly." - Dan Mullen</font></font></font></font></font></font>
Just because Mullen is smart enough to work with what he's got doesn't mean he has preferences to the type of skill set he wants taking the snaps every play. Sure, I think Tyler Russell could be very successful under Dan Mullen. I also think folks are just falsely assuming he can't be an effective runner. Tyson Lee, through intelligent play, has looked ample at running at times.
But, if you have two players of high quality competing with each other under Dan Mullen where Player A is a pro-style drop back passer with no legs and Player B has and arm and can run it, then I don't think there's any question that Player B gets the snaps - assuming all other intangibles are equal. Again, I'm not lumping Russell into that Player A category. I'm just trying to show that Mullen does have a preference.
All should read that article. It's pretty good.