Interesting read on Catholic in Observer. Sounds like a few sour grapes. I will give the one coach credit for speaking out (not hiding). I believe they win because of the system and the kids work their asses off. It sure is not because they have a bunch of big & athletic kids. Sure charlotte folks have a take on this.
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NO BUT JUST GO TO CHARLOTTE.COM ITS ON THE FRONT PAGE. SORRY FOR CAPS
Here's my take on it...you see Catholic getting off the bus compared to Mallard Creek getting off the bus, and you just laugh.
They're good most years because they have time-proven schemes that work on the high school level, a solid culture of winning, tremendous stability in their coaching staff, and kids who might be slightly physically disadvantaged, but take a back seat in heart to no one. Their coaches get it and their kids get it, and it shows on the field.
Sure, there are years where they physically look very impressive in certain areas (their oline this season can compare to anyone in the state), but that personnel cycle comes and goes, just as it does for most schools. Considering that they consistently win either way tells you there's more to it than that.
They're good most years because they have time-proven schemes that work on the high school level, a solid culture of winning, tremendous stability in their coaching staff, and kids who might be slightly physically disadvantaged, but take a back seat in heart to no one. Their coaches get it and their kids get it, and it shows on the field.
Sure, there are years where they physically look very impressive in certain areas (their oline this season can compare to anyone in the state), but that personnel cycle comes and goes, just as it does for most schools. Considering that they consistently win either way tells you there's more to it than that.
The kids r groomed in the scheme. Thru middle school and jv ball they are taught and coached the same thing so when u get to varsity it comes naturally. They are a well oiled machine
Catholic is amazing and if I lived in Charlotte and had the money I would send my child there. They know the meaning of student athlete, and do an amazing job preparing kids for both college and real life. As far as football is concerned, unreal coaching staff who I have the utmost respect for.
Good Grief!!!!!!!!
I just noticed something - They all look like CatholicCoug14 with long college styled hair
All Tonsils are normal ✓
Checking their tonsils is a requirement after each game and it is taught through middle "private" school. If for some reason parents do not sign off on the "Tonsil Check" agreement form, their kids may not get a scholarship. Its tradition.
Champs in two big sports - Basketball and Football
NCHSAA wants to remove them?
Why were the Rowan schools kicking the Cougs out of their conference?
Why would the private schools have separate playoffs if the play in a public sector?
I just noticed something - They all look like CatholicCoug14 with long college styled hair
All Tonsils are normal ✓
Checking their tonsils is a requirement after each game and it is taught through middle "private" school. If for some reason parents do not sign off on the "Tonsil Check" agreement form, their kids may not get a scholarship. Its tradition.
Champs in two big sports - Basketball and Football
NCHSAA wants to remove them?
Why were the Rowan schools kicking the Cougs out of their conference?
Why would the private schools have separate playoffs if the play in a public sector?
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hey NBbears20124achamps, there u r , been hiding u stop reading d SUN NEWS JOURNAL, about them LOSING BEARS. I'S got UNDERGROUND CONTACTS thru out da COUNTRY. We's r about 2 find dees rest of da HIDING BEARS .I'S thank my teachers back yonder n them history classes said it's called HIBERNATION.
Amazing program, head Cougar fan Footsoldier is a good dude. They always push us to our limits and beyond; remind me of Rocky Balboa. I say leave them alone.
Hope Footsoldier is doing better health wise.....
I didn't know Foot was having trouble, hope he gets better...
I've seen them play twice against East and Dudley. CC never seemed to have the athletic advantage (especially not against Dudley) but they beat East and were able to battle Dudley down to the last minutes of the game with their players. They're really well coached and disciplined. Haven't read the Charlotte article, but I would hate to see them get kicked out of the NCHSAA if something like that is being talked about.
Hiding? On here every day. Stop worrying about me and go install some ADT's. I talked to the teachers about you, they said you never attended the high school but if you did, that they'd fail the hell out of your dumbass.
And if you want to read about a guy that should be a nominee for this year's Darwin Awards.... on the same page...
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article171578892.html
Maybe one of the dumbest moves I have ever heard about! Very lucky not to have caught some lead.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article171578892.html
Maybe one of the dumbest moves I have ever heard about! Very lucky not to have caught some lead.
So after reading the article, I can see where the opposition is coming from. I believe in Charlotte you have to go to the school you're assigned to correct? If thats the case, then I can see why coaches think that CC has an unfair advantage. And in theory, they do.
But as the CC coach said, they don't have scholarships so everyone can't afford to play there. A lot of the players on CC don't even go on to play in D1 football as oppose to programs like Mallard Creek and Butler.
CC isn't even the best team in Charlotte so complaints should have dropped as they entered the 4A (which the article mentioned), but now that they're in the 3A, I guess people can go back to voicing their concerns.
Why don't Charlotte Latin and Charlotte Christian play in the NCHSAA? Is it because they actively recruit? That Charlotte Christian team that played North Davidson last year would not have won the championship that year so it's not like they're some powerhouse.
Anyone from Charlotte want to speak on this?
But as the CC coach said, they don't have scholarships so everyone can't afford to play there. A lot of the players on CC don't even go on to play in D1 football as oppose to programs like Mallard Creek and Butler.
CC isn't even the best team in Charlotte so complaints should have dropped as they entered the 4A (which the article mentioned), but now that they're in the 3A, I guess people can go back to voicing their concerns.
Why don't Charlotte Latin and Charlotte Christian play in the NCHSAA? Is it because they actively recruit? That Charlotte Christian team that played North Davidson last year would not have won the championship that year so it's not like they're some powerhouse.
Anyone from Charlotte want to speak on this?
Another point regarding Catholic...even though 75% of their schedules over the past 4 years were against other Charlotte schools, not once on any message board have you ever seen an opposing player, coach, parent, admin or fan of another Charlotte school complain about their "advantages". It's always people from OUTSIDE of Charlotte that complain about them. Why do you suppose that is, since it's the Charlotte schools that BY FAR that have been the most affected by Catholic's inclusion in the NCHSAA?
From my point of view, if the other 20 Charlotte high schools that play sports against them every day of the school year don't see any particular competitive "advantage" that looks to be out of the ordinary, then everyone else outside of Charlotte just needs to shut up and play ball. If there was something weird going on, Charlotte folk would know it by now.
From my point of view, if the other 20 Charlotte high schools that play sports against them every day of the school year don't see any particular competitive "advantage" that looks to be out of the ordinary, then everyone else outside of Charlotte just needs to shut up and play ball. If there was something weird going on, Charlotte folk would know it by now.
I don't know where you recruit 5'8" and 155 cb's? They have had the enrollment number to play 3A the last 2 years. Outside of this year, no way when CC get's off the bus you think recruiting. I have been calling them NASA interns for years.They don't give out any scholarships like the other privates in Charlotte. It's a pattern in NC. Any teams that have a history of winning Championships in NC,automatically get the they're recruiting title.
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I 100% agree with you there. When I saw them during the East game I thought it would be an easy victory for East and boy was I wrong. I personally don't believe they're recruiting.
Do you know why Christian and Latin aren't in the NCHSAA? I would love to see them in the playoffs.
I don't know about Christian or Latin. CatholicCoug14 can probably give you in depth information on that.
The arguement is and always has been ridiculous. I have watched high school football for 30 years on a national scale. Just watched Don Bosco a Catholic prep school that recruits on a reginoal level throughout NY/NJ. If you lined them up with Charlotte Catholic you would laugh. In any given year you might have 3 maybe 4 kids on Catholic that would get playing time at Mallard Creek .
Garcia is correct....stellar coaching, great system and kids that buy in. With all that said in most years when they go against similar well coached squads with better athletes like Crest, Mallard Creek or Dudley they usually get beat.
This year may be the all around best squad they have ever had.
Garcia is correct....stellar coaching, great system and kids that buy in. With all that said in most years when they go against similar well coached squads with better athletes like Crest, Mallard Creek or Dudley they usually get beat.
This year may be the all around best squad they have ever had.
The NCHSAA allows public high schools and non boarding Parochial (Catholic) schools to participate. Charlotte Catholic, Bishop McGuiness, and Cardinal Gibbons are the only three that do. The Charlotte Big Four (Christian, Country Day, Latin, and Providence Day) are allowed to offer scholarships / financial aid and until a few years ago they allowed students to reclass back one year. They stopped doing this as Charlotte publics refused to play them while this was allowed.
They did not win the private school title last year. Lost twice to Latin.
Christian has about 300 students in grades 9-12. Their biggest issue against top competition is often depth. They have churned out some talent over the years.
A friend told me about being at a Catholic pre season practice when Frank Garcia first started coaching. Garcia had played on the O Line for about ten years in the NFL. The former head coach, Jim Oddo, was watching Garcia showing some techniques and told him, "our kids cannot do that, they do not match up physically. It is different for us." Garcia was coaching them like NFLers. They are a system team, everyone is in synch and buys in.
I've been around Catholic for quite a bit. Graduated from there and am pretty close to the program. To be honest the article says it, if we are recruiting we are pretty damn bad at it and should be fired for not being able to see Mallard Creek/Butler level talent both schools churn out as many D1 players in a year as we do in 5-6 years.
Catholic wins with a proven system and an excellent coaching staff. There will always be those who have what they deem "concerns" but really they just have a problem with CC. It is what it is, at least Pinyan went on the record about it unlike the other coaches.
However, I won't be losing any sleep over this.
Catholic wins with a proven system and an excellent coaching staff. There will always be those who have what they deem "concerns" but really they just have a problem with CC. It is what it is, at least Pinyan went on the record about it unlike the other coaches.
However, I won't be losing any sleep over this.
As coach commented there is the tuition factor, but also there is a de facto boundary of religion. 95% of the kids are Catholic and if they are not they pay higher tuition.
I have been a student, player, coach, and parent at Catholic. My senior year at Catholic was during the first attempt to oust us in 1986. Then as now it was sour grapes by those that don't want to work to get better, but make excuses of unfair advantages. I can remember all the accusations then that are similar... Their kids are smarter ( So Yale should win the National Championship every year ), They don't have to take who ever comes out... That goes both ways we don't get a lot of physicality, They can recruit... my favorite, have you bothered to look at us, We all went to school together from kindergarten guess they were recruiting us back then.
Does Catholic have an advantage? In some ways yes... Shared religion ( face it you have to just accept the fact that Catholic's are better at playing football ) very homogeneous make up of students, which allows for a consistency of scheme and philosophy. But they certainly don't have some advantages that other schools have. That same homogeneous make up creates a lack of diversity of student population. Tuition eliminates many from attending. There is a percentage every year of students who aren't able to move up from the middle school due to cost. I have also seen other privates offer our kids from middle school lower tuition at their school to come play for them.
When all is said though, over the years there are not many schools in the NCHSAA that have been better members of the association and gone above board to play by the rules than Catholic.
I have been a student, player, coach, and parent at Catholic. My senior year at Catholic was during the first attempt to oust us in 1986. Then as now it was sour grapes by those that don't want to work to get better, but make excuses of unfair advantages. I can remember all the accusations then that are similar... Their kids are smarter ( So Yale should win the National Championship every year ), They don't have to take who ever comes out... That goes both ways we don't get a lot of physicality, They can recruit... my favorite, have you bothered to look at us, We all went to school together from kindergarten guess they were recruiting us back then.
Does Catholic have an advantage? In some ways yes... Shared religion ( face it you have to just accept the fact that Catholic's are better at playing football ) very homogeneous make up of students, which allows for a consistency of scheme and philosophy. But they certainly don't have some advantages that other schools have. That same homogeneous make up creates a lack of diversity of student population. Tuition eliminates many from attending. There is a percentage every year of students who aren't able to move up from the middle school due to cost. I have also seen other privates offer our kids from middle school lower tuition at their school to come play for them.
When all is said though, over the years there are not many schools in the NCHSAA that have been better members of the association and gone above board to play by the rules than Catholic.
Probably not. I don't think the teachers there make more than CMS teachers do, Ladge would probably know the answer to that.
Catholic coaches are paid much less than public school coaches. Many are volunteer and former players. Some teach at the high school and middle school, but their teacher salaries are less than public school teachers.
Ok...That's not what I would've guessed...I just assumed they were paid much more than public school football coach..
Nope, but people thought when the CC job opened that it was this high paying job that isn't true, not sure what the exact pay is but it isn't high.
Well reguardless of the details I'm glad Catholic is in our conference. They'll make every team stronger and more prepared. Although the conference overall is a little down this year I still say it's probably the strongest in the state top to bottom
Ladge or CC14, I have a couple of questions for you guys. Can a kid transfers from a public school to play for Charlotte Catholic for his Senior year? Do you think Frank Garcia might want to become a HC someday? As a former NFL player he don't need a big paycheck to coach High School football. I know that Catholic don't recruit players.
No clue on Frank, I am not him so you'd have to ask him.
Yes and no on senior year. Yes due to new NCHSAA transfer rule if both LEAs sign off on it a kid can be eligible, but why transfer after 3yrs at one school? Also if one LEA does not approve the transfer the kid sits for 365 days.
Also if a kid comes to CC for his senior year from out of state then I believe he is automatically eligible. I cannot recall a kid coming in from out of state for his senior year though.
Let me give you a little different perspective and provide some fodder to the coach in salisbury who is behind most of this complaint. I will preface that there is no bigger village idiot in being 100% confident in which you have no data to support you.
The basis of his argument is that there are no boundaries for kids to attend a parochial school. Now in principle there is a simple boundary and it is can you take the commute to the school. Based on the coaches assertion any school with a larger boundary must have an advantage over a school with a small geographic boundary. Has there been any evidence to suggest there is an advantage in this scenario? For sure, I have not seen any supporting evidence for this. It ponders a question, how do schools in more metropolitan areas compete so well if there boundaries are so small. HMMM
Now true parochial schools which are different then private schools and more associate with public schools than private school actually have boundaries that start with the make up of the student body. Charlotte Catholic's student body is mostly catholic ( 90% or above). That means they derive most of their students from the Catholic population that are within driving distance of the school which is about three miles from the South Carolina border. The percentage of catholics in NC is about 4% maybe larger like 5% in metro areas. I will spare you the math but in summary Catholic would have to have a geographic area about 18 to 20 times a public school in a similar area to have the same drawing pattern. That means students from a commute 18 times of a public school. Most in North Carolina don't realize that Catholicism is the largest religious denomination in the US, however in the North Carolina it is very small.
It appears that the coach with the complaint is exposing an opinion without any factual evidence to support himself in the hopes of they are different will create a bogey man fear. I thought all schools were in the age of diversity and being different in these years. Now there are situations where the coach could have a grand argument.. perhaps where the population of catholics approaches 35% of an area and the schools student body up is not a majority of catholics kids from Parishes
Catholic is solid for the same reasons other schools are good. They have values, traditions, and pride in their school. They also have coaches with tenure that love being at that program. Now I will admit this is more opinion then anything I support with evidence. However, it is easy to see past the baseless arguments that are made to slander a school that tries to it right.
The basis of his argument is that there are no boundaries for kids to attend a parochial school. Now in principle there is a simple boundary and it is can you take the commute to the school. Based on the coaches assertion any school with a larger boundary must have an advantage over a school with a small geographic boundary. Has there been any evidence to suggest there is an advantage in this scenario? For sure, I have not seen any supporting evidence for this. It ponders a question, how do schools in more metropolitan areas compete so well if there boundaries are so small. HMMM
Now true parochial schools which are different then private schools and more associate with public schools than private school actually have boundaries that start with the make up of the student body. Charlotte Catholic's student body is mostly catholic ( 90% or above). That means they derive most of their students from the Catholic population that are within driving distance of the school which is about three miles from the South Carolina border. The percentage of catholics in NC is about 4% maybe larger like 5% in metro areas. I will spare you the math but in summary Catholic would have to have a geographic area about 18 to 20 times a public school in a similar area to have the same drawing pattern. That means students from a commute 18 times of a public school. Most in North Carolina don't realize that Catholicism is the largest religious denomination in the US, however in the North Carolina it is very small.
It appears that the coach with the complaint is exposing an opinion without any factual evidence to support himself in the hopes of they are different will create a bogey man fear. I thought all schools were in the age of diversity and being different in these years. Now there are situations where the coach could have a grand argument.. perhaps where the population of catholics approaches 35% of an area and the schools student body up is not a majority of catholics kids from Parishes
Catholic is solid for the same reasons other schools are good. They have values, traditions, and pride in their school. They also have coaches with tenure that love being at that program. Now I will admit this is more opinion then anything I support with evidence. However, it is easy to see past the baseless arguments that are made to slander a school that tries to it right.
Regarding the transferring to Catholic from a public school. The NCHSAA, as noted by 14, ab athlete can now transfer without a physical move one time after day one of freshman year without being required to set out 365 days. CC and the other two Parochials have had a 365 sit out in the past fir any students transferring in from a local public. My understanding is Catholic will continue to self impose that regulation.
No they will not impose that regulation if both LEAs sign off. For example if a kid comes from Butler and the Butler coach and principal sign off he is eligible right away. However, doubt a coach would sign off on it. In that case then 365 rule goes into effect.
Now let's be real...no coach/principal will probably sign off on a transfer to CC to make him eligible so 365 rule is still there.
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Think it already didn't happen this year. Eligibility denied by losing LEA. Team not on schedule for remainder of the young man's high school career & different classifications so zero chance of meeting in the playoffs.