I'm going to give you an A+ for dodging my question
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Kids transferring from Mallard Creek to Julius L. Chamber= Who should ultimately hold the blame?
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Kids transferring from Mallard Creek to Julius L. Chamber= Who should ultimately hold the blame?
Dude it's called freedom of living in America. If I wanna move my kids to a certain area for a particular reason I have the choice to...so if u wanna "blame" somebody on here blame urself for trying to throw gas on a fire that isn't even there.
Hearing chatter that SC might be cutting schedule down because of Covid. MC would lose 2 games. South Point & Gaffney.
I chose to move my family to Vance/chambers area because they are Vance graduates...so "blame" me for having the freedom to do whatever the hell I want to do. Smh
And the kids don’t learn a lick of anything at that school. It’s sports-or-bust. Bad recipe.
Dude it kills me reading the exact same crap about schools recruiting and stopping players/families from moving into certain areas.....it's called get good and stop giving out trophies jus for participating and hitting the weight rooms/ 7v7 circuits. Because I know for a fact we as parents recruit other parents to move and go there. There's many times I've went to a camp wearing my Vance/chambers orange and blue n gave my number out to parents interested in moving to the area. Get over it
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Kids transferring from Mallard Creek to Julius L. Chamber= Who should ultimately hold the blame?
Proximity, and excellent coaching at Chambers. Players returning to their initial home school. Ring chasing. MC looks to be really down. Will you talk about all the players MC lost in previous years to other CMS schools, or players that Vance lost to other schools? It goes both ways. When you have great success and players coming in, you lose a bunch too that no one talks about.
Kids transferring from Mallard Creek to Julius L. Chamber= Who should ultimately hold the blame?
Proximity, and excellent coaching at Chambers. Players returning to their initial home school. Ring chasing. MC looks to be really down. Will you talk about all the players MC lost in previous years to other CMS schools, or players that Vance lost to other schools? It goes both ways. When you have great success and players coming in, you lose a bunch too that no one talks about.
Well then the school systems should go to open enrollment so there are no issues. My problem is if you have a rule you need to enforce it. I'm all for parental choice. I'm not in favor of coaches making social media pleas to get kids to come to their school and doing it in plain sight and no one does a thing about it. If Mary and Bob want to move in school x district for ball that's their choice.
Bingo that's the key thing. If I want to move my kids to the surface of sun because I like warm weather that's my business not anyone else. Some people come on here with the Lynch Mob mentality looking for people to gang up on others should have something done about them. Smh
DevilMac99 Just curious. Were people this upset over the CMS school choice plan because a student wanted to get into a certain school for academics? Just curious...... If stats serves me correctly 95% of students elected to specify what school they wanted to attend after this plan. This was based on academics. You are not fusing about suburban schools getting all the smart kids, or suburban parents using fake addresses to attend overcrowd MP, Ardrey Kell, or Providence? Just find it hypocritical that when young black student -athletes/families choose to make decisions to better themselves its unfair and recruiting, but when suburban parents do the same thing to get to a certain school its called freedom of parent choice. Why the hypocrisy?
Look at the CMS student choice plan and notice the schools that are available to attend
Look at the CMS student choice plan and notice the schools that are available to attend
I was thinking that but I didn't want the thread to go in THAT direction but let's call it what it is....some people don't like when certain have opportunities and choices they don't. If my son is 6ft 4 300lbs...if I want to go to MC Butler or Chambers and play for a winning program...I'm going to do it
Recruiting parents?? Ain’t buying that BS! If the kids parents already live close maybe I could see that happening. But not 75 or 100 miles away and move back to their original homes when the kid is done playing. Sounds like some Rush Propst ideology. If you don’t know who Propst is look him up.
Great point LOL
They know Props but they rather not entertain the conversation....
I've mentioned before my nephew attended Richmond County and Mallard Creek in the same calendar year. He went RC schools 9-10, 12 MC 11-12, and went back to RC last semester of 12th grade to graduate with his friends from home. He never played a lick of football. Parents change schools/addresses all the time to attend CMS schools. CMS schools get a bad rap, but they have some really nice college prep classes and in general their teachers are much better then surrounding counties and others in NC. CMS sports are much better than most areas also. Wont touch the Cabarrus/Mecklenburg students, or Mecklenburg/Gaston. or York/Mecklenburg residency issues. Charlotte is a top 15 city population wise and very transient. If you had a heavy crackdown on sports residency, you best believe academic, family residency issues would/should be next and would account for 75% of transfers IMHO>
This is America. We have freedom of movement here. If a parent want their kids in another school then they can make those moves to have their kid at another school. For any reason.
In Forsyth county we went a step further. You can go to any school you want in the district without moving as long as the school has space. It’s led to the falling off a football Powerhouse in Carver and I’m bitter about that. But it’s turned East Forsyth into a powerhouse. It is what it is.
In Forsyth county we went a step further. You can go to any school you want in the district without moving as long as the school has space. It’s led to the falling off a football Powerhouse in Carver and I’m bitter about that. But it’s turned East Forsyth into a powerhouse. It is what it is.
You still didnt answer my question papa!
To me MC is down for various reasons:
1. Palmieri is a very special coach and maybe top 5 Mecklenburg County coach of all time easily.
2. MC is a young school and never really had a true building phase. They went to winning big in year 2 of the program. This is because of great coaching, great parents, and great community support. Lean years were bound to happen, as you just can't win at that level or keep that staff together forever. Even in Palmieri last few years MC lost games they typically won.
3. Their top two rivals are peaking. Chambers/ Hough are elite talented schools. State championship type schools in the same conference. It wears on you gradually, and it becomes someone else time to shine.
4. Their feeder youth football programs are gone-non existent. MC fed off of the University Jaguars, Mallard Creek Mustangs, VA Tech Hokies, The PYFL league, YDFL league, as they played tons of games there. The GCYAA plays there now but the teams come from all over Charlotte/ NC. MC was a youth football hotbed. You would always see MC coaches at clinics, youth practices, games. ETC ETC> They don't have as much presence/cache with the youth as they once did. This leads to a trickle down effect in talent. When Knotts/GilChrist were at West Charlotte the BeattiesFord area/Plaza road/C-Meck dominated youth football. NO Coincidence, When Knotts at Indy/Newsome at Butler the Mint Hill/Matthews/Albemarle rd Area youth football was dominate. When MC was rolling the University area/ North Charlotte was rolling and all the youth ball games were at MC. Right now there is no consistent youth ball feeding MC>
Honest question. Has the school in question been left to struggle for years with the building of newer and nicer schools around it. Leaving the poor kids there and the others that could move away or transfer did. Are the kids attending the school into lots of other activity outside of school?
The subdivision’s around MC are Middle Class to upper middle class, along with 80 to 85% of the parents are college graduates. Lot's of community support. They are currently throwing up new apartments around the area daily. They will always have the talent to compete. The JV numbers are actually up, from previous years. Teams, trainers, parents and players took advantage of the Creek having a down season, and came in aggressively recruiting players. Around 11 of them bit, 6 of them are at Chambers. Those kids stay. They’re a top 5 team in the State, along with a couple of new guys. This team will be very young, loaded with 10th & 11th graders. Coaches getting kids to buy into the new regime is their biggest obstacle. Win, and they will stay and parents will figure out a way to attend your program.
So are you saying the great coaching, great parents, and great community support has now vanished?
If so, why?
When I think of Mallard Creek being down I think of a 8-9 win team. I cant see them being like West Charlotte or Independence where they fall off the map. I see them like Butler where they have lean years but they can win 8-10 games in those years.
Name all the schools starting in Charlotte that are ONLY giving out trophies just for participating and hitting the weight rooms/ 7v7 circuits.... and please show me what the trophies look like.
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I have no idea my point has nothing to do with parental choice as I have stated. My point is there is obvious recruiting going on and if no one is going to enforce it because they can't prove it or don't have the resources to root it out then abandon the rule and penalties and go to open enrollment for all. Then this bs about rules and enforcement goes away.
I remember when I started at Tabor in 2003. Forsyth Co had choice but it is not like it is now and Carver Parkland Tabor were powerhouses. Glenn, RJ Renyolds North Forsyth West Forsyth were solid and East was the worst team but not god awful. Everyone was either good pretty good or ok but no one was terrible. Look everyone knows who I coached in Forsyth county and how bad that team was the first 2 years, what Choice has done to schools in Forsyth County has created a huge disparity plain and simple. Now if you are a have (west Forsyth, Tabor, Reagan, East Forsyth) and at times Glenn, Things are good. If you are a have not (Carver, Parkland, North Forsyth, RJ Renyolds) Good luck because you are taking beatings. and will continue to take beatings. We made Parkland respectable for a few years, But it should not take what it took to field a decent football team
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My thoughts exactly. The consistency for Butler since 1998-1999 in Charlotte is amazing considering all of the movement
Let's just say what it was. Talent enough to be a very good team, add in elite kids like Pittman, North, Moss, Sutton, Jones and they become elite. Exact same thing could said about Chambers now. Though it remains to be seen what the Hackett move does. Beyond X and Os the kid had the juice and that attracts the talent
This Creek season is a turning point. Gotta compete. This schedule is far tougher than anything Palmieri scheduled until probably 16 or 17. If they can hang tough through the first 4 and steal a Hough or Chambers win and win a playoff game or two you could be off to another dominant squad. Go 0-4 with some *** kicking early??? They might be in huge trouble both this year and the future.
Wait a minute Bigdadd, I am hearing that Kell and Providence are possible being investigated for stacking the decks with their chess and competitive physics teams. Otherwise, I totally agree. No-one gets excited when a kid jumps to another school unless they happen to be a D1 football or basketball recruit. If parents stay within rules governing districts and boundaries, so be it. Moving house is a major pain in the butt, even if just down the street. If a parent chases a team for excellence or coaching to benefit their child and stays within the rules, so be it. Here we are having an equality versus equity conversation about high school athletics. I am just waiting for some do-gooder to propose handicapping the better teams with ankle weights or some other equalizer based on subjective criteria. Real solution, do the work, get better, support the program, get good coaches and hang onto them. Results are the biggest recruiting tool and the whiners always forget that. An upbringing of participation trophies and an "everybody is special" gets your *** kicked in a competitive sport like football. Just like life.
Honest answer. Probably. Politics and power direct limited public resources. But facilities alone don't get it done. Doesn't hurt. Knotts was successful with some of the oldest most decrepit facilities in Mecklenburg County and let it be known. West Charlotte has had their runs and weren't known for their athletic facilities either. Neither district is known for an excess of super wealthy "haves" in their area. Kell and Providence have some of the best facilities in the state, they are populated by some of the wealthiest, most advantaged neighborhoods in Charlotte, yet they are historically known for football mediocrity. To their credit both programs appear to be on the rise. Coaching matters. Mecklenburg County is a coaching carrousel and it often takes a young coach desperate to be a head coach to take on one of these disadvantaged programs. If successful or they demonstrate potential, they are quick to bolt.
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So Garinger High will field a varsity football team after all. Here’s what we know
So Garinger High will field a varsity football team after all. Here’s what we know
Do we make the kid who transfers for academics sit for a year? How bout the trombone player who transfers because his school doesn't offer marching band?
Transferring and moving into the school zone are not the same with CMS. If you put in a transfer through your school, you have to set out the season. If you have your name on a lease or mortgage, along with 2 utility bills. That’s all you need for proof of residency. That’s considered a move, and not a transfer. You can play immediately.
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I was hoping someone else would say this. I'm in the east, but even I know that Garinger doesn't have a student body that cares anything about american football. But without a doubt, they will have a team playing the "other" football.