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^^^ They also outted a closeted gay man. Not because he was a public figure (he is Timothy Geitner's brother), but because they wanted a story so badly they were "unwitting" accomplishes to an extortion.

Seriously, they are terrible people. So terrible, in fact, that they made me root for Hulk Hogan :eek:
 

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The invasion angle was mainly believable because usually WWF plucked from others not the other way around. Clearly people were aware those guys were now apart of WCW but it was hard to comprehend that WCW poached superstars.

It was one of the better beginnings to a slow work in some time at that point too. The reason they had to start pulling in the Buff's and Horace's was strictly to have a team member lose matches. Hogan, Nash and Hall all refused to lose and had control.
 
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Just watching some 1997 Raw. It's hard to understate how awful the Rock was at that time. I mean, his sloppy armbar into a cradle pin thing is hilarious.

Luckily (unluckily) he was wrestling Ahmed Johnson, so he was the 14th worst wrestler in this two person match
 
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So you're telling me there's people out there that REALLY thought WCW would allow WWF wrestlers to be on their show, use their airtime, and wrestle in their ring? Not believing in it in a Santa Claus sense, but ACTUALLY believed that's what was happening?

Still waking up, so can't tell how much is sarcasm and how much isn't. Remember when the Horsemen attacked Dusty in the parking lot? A lot of people called the Charlotte police to report the attack.
 

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How so? I mean it's no different to me than fans at a basketball game crying when a team loses. Once your so engulfed it becomes overboard.

Also kayfabe was protected back then and things seemed a bit more real, and better TBH.
 
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Fair enough but the horsemen dusty angles were damn near real! I mean they broke his damn leg(kayfabe) and the road warriors used a spike off the gear and damn near took out an eye on Dusty.

Dusty fans were also very cultish!
 

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When backlash was at Rupp 10 years ago I was sitting behind two little kids. About half way through the show one of them turned to the other and said 'ya know, I don't think they're really hitting each other'
 
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I think I'm going to bail on college sports and simply just focus on entertainment (pro wrestling) and pro sports so I don't get too invested.
 
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Hopefully Storm was offered more money; if he decided to go to TNA for any other reason....
 

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You know what bothers me? We never finished the semi-finals of the dream tournament. If I'm not mistaken, it got down to Flair vs Hogan or HBK in the semis and the other half was Rock/Austin. Always wondered which guy the paddock would choose as the GOAT.

On another note, I was watching the Jake Roberts DVD from a few years back (I want to see that new Resurrection of Jake Roberts DVD) and it reminded me how awesome that guy was...can't believe he never held a title.
 

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Yeah the Roberts DVD is really good, and the kind they wouldn't make anymore. They spend the first 15 minutes talking about some really deep non-wrestling stuff.

Seems like I read somewhere WWE decided not to sign Storm and that is why he went back. Anyway was the wrong move. Also heard TNA talents hadn't been paid yet for the January shows they did.

I could see Roode in NXT, Young not so much.

Currently watching the first WWE Sting related DVD, some matches I don't ever remember seeing in the NWA/WCW days.
 

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Which sting matches? I can't see using anything other than a Flair, Muta, Vader, Sid and maybe a match when he and Luger were tag champs. That time in the tag division was just sick!

Luger/Sting, Steiners, Doom, Sid/Spivey, Horsemen, and Road Warriors! Never ever has that period been matched ever.
 

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Krazy - your list excluded the Midnight Express (they were still a unit then, weren't they?).

Also had Dr. Death & Gordy around that time (Miracle Violence Connection?) and on and off Freebirds.

NWA/WCW had the best tag division - they had 2 tag titles and there was plenty of competition for them.
 

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Krazy - your list excluded the Midnight Express (they were still a unit then, weren't they?).

Also had Dr. Death & Gordy around that time (Miracle Violence Connection?) and on and off Freebirds.

NWA/WCW had the best tag division - they had 2 tag titles and there was plenty of competition for them.

They weren't there during the time I speak of. At that time Bobby Eaton was a singles wrestler.
 

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Ok so I'm wrong, they were around I just don't remember them. At the time I was really liking the other and the Midnight Express was a bit out of place once in the ring. Those monsters would crush them.
 

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Lmao "this is boring"

I don't know if I've ever seen a worse ending. That crowd wasn't having that match and it was like everyone including the announcers just quit at the end.
 
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Lmao "this is boring"

I don't know if I've ever seen a worse ending. That crowd wasn't having that match and it was like everyone including the announcers just quit at the end.

The Styles/Owens match set the bar too high for the rest of RAW.
 

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I see they have ruined the Kevin Owens match and have put some absolutely garbage matches on the card.

Tell me who is going to give a crap about
Kalisto vs Ryback?
Usos vs Dudleys?

I think WWE desperately needs Cena to get Reigns over as a heel. The smarks are going to reject that guy until he gets a heel run.
 

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Sigh...

Fans have no responsibility to WWE. WWE has a responsibility to present a product that fans want to watch. When fans don't react - or react negatively - WWE should evaluate and tweak what it is presenting.

I don't give an ish that Reigns works hard and is a nice guy. You know who else works hard and is probably a nice guy? Zach Ryder. He got over without a push once. WWE reacted by giving him a half-*** push and then buried him immediately. Zach Ryder is probably more proficient in the ring than Reigns. He's not as big, not as cut, and not as pretty - so he doesn't have as much upside.

My point is that their personalities don't determine what they earn in the ring. That's determined by their ability to connect with the fans and make pushes/angles work. Sometimes they take nothing and turn it into something; other times they squander opportunity. Reigns had no chance with his push. WWE does need to turn him heel. Fans will come around naturally and in a year or two he'll be ready to be the man. They need to let Ambrose be a heel as well - he might be good as an Austin type heel that just defies authority in the long-run, but for now he needs to be a heel.
 

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Sigh...

Fans have no responsibility to WWE. WWE has a responsibility to present a product that fans want to watch. When fans don't react - or react negatively - WWE should evaluate and tweak what it is presenting.

I don't give an ish that Reigns works hard and is a nice guy. You know who else works hard and is probably a nice guy? Zach Ryder. He got over without a push once. WWE reacted by giving him a half-*** push and then buried him immediately. Zach Ryder is probably more proficient in the ring than Reigns. He's not as big, not as cut, and not as pretty - so he doesn't have as much upside.

My point is that their personalities don't determine what they earn in the ring. That's determined by their ability to connect with the fans and make pushes/angles work. Sometimes they take nothing and turn it into something; other times they squander opportunity. Reigns had no chance with his push. WWE does need to turn him heel. Fans will come around naturally and in a year or two he'll be ready to be the man. They need to let Ambrose be a heel as well - he might be good as an Austin type heel that just defies authority in the long-run, but for now he needs to be a heel.

Rack

It really is this simple!
 

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NXT Takeover>>>>> Wrestlemaina 32

Two things I popped for last night...Terry Funk...and the sign in the crowd that said..."I Eat Booty" Yes I am still 12.

If that was the next to last Raw before WM 32 then wow....
 
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I'm pretty sure I just got Eva Marie to spill the beans about her being the surprise tag partner in my interview with her this morning.

[laughing]
 

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Were you ok interviewing Eva Marie....:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: When are you interviewing Sting???

If you have some time, for anyone like me who grew up watching Memphis wrestling, Jericho's latest podcast is with Jerry Lawler. I am about 30 minutes in so far, they talk a lot about
Memphis and the Andy Kaufman feud.
 
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Were you ok interviewing Eva Marie....:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: When are you interviewing Sting???

If you have some time, for anyone like me who grew up watching Memphis wrestling, Jericho's latest podcast is with Jerry Lawler. I am about 30 minutes in so far, they talk a lot about
Memphis and the Andy Kaufman feud.

Sting interview is tomorrow morning so let's all work on constructing this one to fill a 10-15 minute spot.
 

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I wonder if the Ambrose match was meant to end the way it did. Could Ambrose have known the crowd hated it so much so he went on his own and got a chair just to try and get them into it?
 

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Also I don't feel they need to turn Reigns but if they did then they should make him into a Samoan Razor Ramon. :) He's got a Razor look and has the initials plus it'd be kinda nastalgic. But I'm probably FOS because Hall is one of all time favorites.
 

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They should turn Reigns down the line but right now, they have to stick with him as a face. You don't switch him as heel until someone like Cena and maybe, MAYBE Rollins comes along. You need a top babyface to make a Reigns heel turn worth it and Ambrose isn't that guy,
 

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So I never put this together until now but they person they showed the in memory of at the top of the show was the woman that died at Raven Run over the weekend. Apparently her dad has been a WWE cameraman for years.
 

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So topics to stick to in short Sting interview?

Krazy, give me a few that are must asks....
 

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What is your scope? With WM coming up I assume it has to be WWE relevant?

That really makes it tough without focusing on not coming to WWE really.

If you are allowed to get after his time in WCW I'd guess focusing how NWO/Monday Night Wars and how he saw first hand how it changed wrestling.

Also, does he ever regret not taking the offer to be in the Hollywood Hogan role? He was offered to be leader of NWO IIRC.

How much of his career does he owe to Flair? How they still close? Did Flair ever attempt to bring him to WWE?

Lastly why did he eventually come around and join WWE? Clearly it wasn't to lose 2 matches and retire!