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One thing about Dallas even if you are at the top of the building that big *** score board gives you a great view of the action.
 

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Krazy when we are going bananas on what used to be a typical Saturday morning style booking.

What a time for wrestling!
 

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Second RAW in a row the ending left a lot to be desired.
Hope WM lives up to the "hype"...feel kind of meh about it this year.
 

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Could have been a better Raw but since Nov it's been down hill anyways.

Kinda bad the face of the company gets no mic time. Yes he did replace Cena... because fans don't like him. I thought HHH over sold Reigns again, it comes out as him trying to get the fans to be won over with Reigns. As always his mic work of awful. Pushing 50 and he's the champ.

Cole is better then good ole JR, but one thing hes not better at him in is calling a wrestling move during a match. At times I wish JBL would just call a match himself.
 
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Could have been a better Raw but since Nov it's been down hill anyways.

Kinda bad the face of the company gets no mic time. Yes he did replace Cena... because fans don't like him. I thought HHH over sold Reigns again, it comes out as him trying to get the fans to be won over with Reigns. As always his mic work of awful. Pushing 50 and he's the champ.

Cole is better then good ole JR, but one thing hes not better at him in is calling a wrestling move during a match. At times I wish JBL would just call a match himself.

Are you talking about HHH being terrible on the mic ??? For love of wrestling I sure as hell hope you where talking about Reigns. If you where saying HHH, please hit your mute button.
 
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I would agree thought the show started well then went down hill. The crowd totally hijacked the 6 man tag match, which I actually liked.

Hey Heisman in the words of Bob Uecker..."Great seats buddy" Jealous.

Is it wrong I am 45 and want to get a "Booty-O's" T-Shirt.
 

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I mean, them running Eva Marie out there as if she would get a Rock/SCSA type face pop was just beyond hilarious

hey Vince, everything you've been trying to do with Roman for the last 26 months? Do it with AJ Styles for the next 12. him winning the belt at next years WM will blow the football stadium down, TS.
 
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-WWE isn't stupid. Eva is their biggest heel in NXT. It was Brooklyn. They expected that reaction and the girls not embracing her in the ring should support that statement. She's simply there to turn on the babyfaces and help with a Total Divas storyline.

-One year ago since Rollins' cash-in.

-If only WWE didn't bring back Bryan before the 2015 Rumble, Reigns' career would look a lot different. With that said, WWE has access to things that we do not like merch sales, social media mentions and house shows. If Reigns wasn't making money, they wouldn't bother with him. The ****** thing is, the guy is very talented in the ring. He should be booked like the last two weeks....don't mess with the mic, just be a badass and have him beat down babyfaces and heels.

-K-Mac, hit me up on twitter if you want a shirt. At Mania, they have these gift bags filled with hoodies, WM shirt, program, a cap and more and not ever media member shows up. That's how I ended up with three of them last year. So if that happens, let me know if you want me to try and score one.
 

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-WWE isn't stupid. Eva is their biggest heel in NXT. It was Brooklyn. They expected that reaction and the girls not embracing her in the ring should support that statement. She's simply there to turn on the babyfaces and help with a Total Divas storyline.

-One year ago since Rollins' cash-in.

-If only WWE didn't bring back Bryan before the 2015 Rumble, Reigns' career would look a lot different. With that said, WWE has access to things that we do not like merch sales, social media mentions and house shows. If Reigns wasn't making money, they wouldn't bother with him. The ****** thing is, the guy is very talented in the ring. He should be booked like the last two weeks....don't mess with the mic, just be a badass and have him beat down babyfaces and heels.

-K-Mac, hit me up on twitter if you want a shirt. At Mania, they have these gift bags filled with hoodies, WM shirt, program, a cap and more and not ever media member shows up. That's how I ended up with three of them last year. So if that happens, let me know if you want me to try and score one.

Heisman,

Are you sure about the Eva situation? I know you aren't supposed to believe everything you read, but I saw an article that said that WWE was surprised at the reaction she got. I trust your word over some article, just found it odd.

Rollins can't get back soon enough. Also curious what they do with Orton upon his return.

Saw some reports last night that Shane is legit hurt, but not from last night and that the plans for HIAC have changed. Some reports saying that Cena will interfere (GOD I hope not). Was actually hoping for the match to end in a way that Taker doesn't win, but Shane doesn't lose. Maybe the lights go out and you hear a crow, the lights come back on and Sting is on top the cell with bat pointed down and Taker is nowhere to be found. Would be a hell of a start to their last match(s) at Mania next year.

Agree on Reigns, love him when the mic isn't near him and he is on a mission. He has no business being a traditional face, but would thrive as a bad-*** Austin type character.

TIAF, and I appreciate your insight and reports.
 
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Heisman,

Are you sure about the Eva situation? I know you aren't supposed to believe everything you read, but I saw an article that said that WWE was surprised at the reaction she got. I trust your word over some article, just found it odd.

Rollins can't get back soon enough. Also curious what they do with Orton upon his return.

Saw some reports last night that Shane is legit hurt, but not from last night and that the plans for HIAC have changed. Some reports saying that Cena will interfere (GOD I hope not). Was actually hoping for the match to end in a way that Taker doesn't win, but Shane doesn't lose. Maybe the lights go out and you hear a crow, the lights come back on and Sting is on top the cell with bat pointed down and Taker is nowhere to be found. Would be a hell of a start to their last match(s) at Mania next year.

Agree on Reigns, love him when the mic isn't near him and he is on a mission. He has no business being a traditional face, but would thrive as a bad-*** Austin type character.

TIAF, and I appreciate your insight and reports.

Meltzer is the one that said that stuff. I think Dave is a total BSer though. WWE is not retarded. I know they make dumb decisions sometimes but Eva has never been cheered ever. Brooklyn is about as smarky as they come. They had to know.

I think this is simply an excuse to get Eva Marie on WrestleMania (it's the pre show anyways) , further enhance the Total Divas storylines and ultimately make her an even bigger heel in NXT once she inevitably turns on the Total Divas babyfaces at Mania.

I also, wouldn't be surprised if they get Nia Jax to help her win the NXT title rather soon so people will lose their freaking minds and ultimately drop it to Asuka or one of the other NXT women.

- I think Undertaker vs Sting will have interference in some manner. The possible options are Sting, Austin and maybe, MAYBE Rollins (very doubtful). I'm sure this match steals the show.

- I want Reigns to be booked just like that. A lone wolf, similar to Brock beating the piss out of faces and heels. Then maybe work heel in a huge feud with Rollins or Cena at SummerSlam and maybe, at next year's Mania. I've said it before but a heel Reigns vs Cena would get him over. Even Bandit would probably agree with that.
 
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Heisman, if they have a XXL in one of those New Day shirts, my 17 year old would love one, just let me know how much you want for it. He couldn't find the New Day or The Wyatt stuff when it first came out, he went to Ringside Collectibles and bought all the action figures there. He collects and has like over 200 of them. His dream figure he has not found yet is Rakeishe (sp).
 
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I want Reigns to be booked just like that. A lone wolf, similar to Brock beating the piss out of faces and heels. Then maybe work heel in a huge feud with Rollins or Cena at SummerSlam and maybe, at next year's Mania. I've said it before but a heel Reigns vs Cena would get him over. Even Bandit would probably agree with that.

Agreed.

Also have to agree that the booking for Reigns has been much better the past few weeks.

We will see what Reigns has over the next couple of months. We all know Reigns will win Sunday. So this title run will be big for him. If it doesn't go the way WWE thinks it will, it will only be a couple of months run and WWE will have take it off him.
 

KingOfBBN

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Agreed.

Also have to agree that the booking for Reigns has been much better the past few weeks.

We will see what Reigns has over the next couple of months. We all know Reigns will win Sunday. So this title run will be big for him. If it doesn't go the way WWE thinks it will, it will only be a couple of months run and WWE will have take it off him.

Yeah. Agreed. Kind of off topic but why did they have Reigns come through the back instead of the crowd last night? You also, notice they kept him in the back to confront HHH last week instead of letting the Philly crowd react? Probably smart.

I'm hoping they can hold off on a Rollins return until close to SummerSlam where he's a babyface or quickly turn him face after a small heel run. He would be a good one for Reigns and I'm sure WWE would use a Cena vs Reigns feud for WM33 (Maybe).

I'm trying to think who would Reigns face for his post WM title win? Who is he going to feud with to make it worthwhile?

Heisman, if they have a XXL in one of those New Day shirts, my 17 year old would love one, just let me know how much you want for it. He couldn't find the New Day or The Wyatt stuff when it first came out, he went to Ringside Collectibles and bought all the action figures there. He collects and has like over 200 of them. His dream figure he has not found yet is Rakeishe (sp).

Do you have twitter?
 

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I never saw this but it's kind of interesting to see the backstage stuff. It's Neville fighting back tears as he finds out he fractured his ankle. That has to be devastating before Mania.

 

krazykats

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Nice Sting article.

Reigns is a heel, accept it and move on.

Wrestling sucks because it's fake........duh!

The biggest story is easily Ambrose/Brock.
 
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Wrestling sucks because it's fake........duh!.

It's still real to me.
 

krazykats

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HaHa, the bigger WWE got the tighter their grip the worse the product gets and the grip gets tighter and tighter!

Bad deal really.
 
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That Lesnar/Ambrose match might be the match of the night. Ambrose has really been the worker on the roster the past month. Wouldn't surprise me if he wins at WM.

Heisman - I hope this isn't true but I remember reading a few weeks back that said Ryback was in line for a Main Event push.

You know first time champions always suffer from terrible booking.
 

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That Lesnar/Ambrose match might be the match of the night. Ambrose has really been the worker on the roster the past month. Wouldn't surprise me if he wins at WM.

Heisman - I hope this isn't true but I remember reading a few weeks back that said Ryback was in line for a Main Event push.

You know first time champions always suffer from terrible booking.

I detest Ryback. I think he's everything that is wrong with pro wrestling. I cannot imagine them seeing anything in this turd. He's an awful worker, has a terrible look and just oozes dumb.

He is painfully awful to me and anything to do with him is a piss break. Of course, that would be the guy they'd book to feud with a champ.

If I ever had any creative control in a fantasy life, I'd send Ryback back to his job at GNC. If Reigns does win the belt, they would be hurting him with booking him against Ryback. Dude had to wrestle Big Show like 50 times and you want to give him Ryback?

Big Cat, Dave was once a legitimate insider. He's not these days and just throws BS at the wall and the dirt sheets run with it.
 
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Ryback has his place, it's just not the role they give him. Would be awesome if they found a good tag partner for him and he essentially played the Animal role from Road Warriors, which is exactly who he reminds me of.
 

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Krazy is right. He would fit right in with a Tag Team. The Miz would be a good partner or maybe even Y2J since he's a part timer and at times a jobber. Ryback can be good and he's better then most here think. But right now he hasn't stood out as a star and they missed on that for now.

Vince just doesn't seem to understand he needs new writers and book talent in good s/l.

The main story is a joke and it goes all the way down.
 

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Ryback BIG. Ryback good. Big is good. Love big. Big oily men make BCf happy. Make him tingle.

Seriously? Dave Meltzer reads this thread? [roll]

Coach Cal also reads this thread.

So does the Tooth Fairy.

I do like the NWA t-shirt that BCf is wearing in the YouTube video though. Where did you find that one Heisman?
 

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Ryback BIG. Ryback good. Big is good. Love big. Big oily men make BCf happy. Make him tingle.

Seriously? Dave Meltzer reads this thread? [roll]

Coach Cal also reads this thread.

So does the Tooth Fairy.

I do like the NWA t-shirt that BCf is wearing in the YouTube video though. Where did you find that one Heisman?

Branden trolling me again. I like how I get under your skin so much. I own you.

and nope small guy Dave doesn't read this....
 

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Heisman, I do, but have not logged in for a minute now. If you could pull this off, my son would be like a kid in a candy store. My wife has the flu, last night he says "dad I hope mom is not still sick Sunday, we may have to cancel our WrestleMania watch party." I laughed and said "so you are worried about the watch party, and your mom getting better so that said party is not canceled." "I bet she will appreciate that." Wrestling is his everything, getting something in the mail from a "insider" would really make his day. I told him about you writing for the magazine, so now he reads this thread and all of your links.
 
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Just finished Raw from Monday. Agree that it started strong, finished weak.

I almost feel sorry for Reigns. He's going to get booed out of every arena he sets foot in until they turn him heel. On the other hand, I'm glad the fans are saying "stop shoving some guy we don't want to support down our throats as Cena 2.0"
 
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What's weird is when he goes heel, it will just be a complete reversal of everything. The smarks will cheer and the normal ones will boo.

Anyone considered the idea of The Rock helping Reigns in some capacity and then Reigns wins the title and spears Rock to turn heel?

I don't think it will happen because how do you book that after the fact? I'm sure HHH gets a rematch on Raw or something and I doubt he's a face.
 
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I''m not on board with idea that simply turning Reigns heel will fix things. Mostly because he simply isn't that good and no matter what role he plays he will be a limited wrestler with non-existent promo skills.

Now guys like that have gotten over in the past (Road Warrior Animal comes to mind), but most of them had *something* else, whether it be working stiff as hell, being put over as a monster from day one, or natural charisma.

I'm not saying this to be antagonistic, but Reigns is just a below average wrestler in every respect. Heel or face, he still isn't very good
 

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I don't think he's below average. Dude is extremely athletic for a big guy. I don't think we've seen Cena ever clear the top rope on a dive.

I don't think Reigns is better than KO or Rollins or Balor or Cena but I definitey think he's better than Ambrose.
 

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Ambrose is a great IC level guy. Or rather what the IC meant circa 1992. He can convincingly have main event feuds as well as working with the mid card, but probably shouldn't hold the belt for a long time. His flaws have more to do with booking than ability (although some of it is on him). Doing the rope fake out thing every match is tired, his punches look weak, and "creative" has made him far too goofy. I like Ambrose, but I'm not going to go to bat for him being a long serving WWE champ.

He is still a good worker, though. Reigns being athletic is fine, but it doesn't really help him have a good match. Clearing the rope on a dive is cool. If it were a track and field competition he would earn high marks, but wrestling needs more than just doing athletic things.

As far as being a wrestler goes, he is well below Cesaro, Seamus, and Wade. And like I said, being a good wrestler isn't the only thing that goes into getting over, but he doesn't have much of anything else to make up for it. It's not a smark conspiracy to take him down, IMO. They like to get themselves over and he is certainly taking the brunt of that, but even when the crowd isn't overly smarky he gets a worse reaction; silence.
 
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I don't think Reigns is better than KO or Rollins or Balor or Cena but I definitey think he's better than Ambrose.

I can't agree with that statement.

While Ambrose is not on the level as the others you listed, to say he is not better than Reigns is not correct. Hell Ambrose has been great this past month while Reigns had to have surgery and was kept off TV.
 

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Athletically Reigns is better than Ambrose, don't think anyone can even dispute that. Ambrose is better at Promos and just knows how to work a crowd when taken off the WWE creative chain.

I think the biggest problem for Reigns is someone had to take the top spot with all the injuries and he just happened to be the guy. Had Rollins not gotten hurt, or Cena, or Orton for that matter, we probably wouldn't be discussing the fan revolt again the Reigns push.
 

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One way Reigns could become a heal:

1. He beats Triple H
2. The Uso brothers come out to celebrate with him. He turns on them and destroys them.
3. Ambrose comes out and Reigns pretends to straighten out but sucker punches Ambrose and puts a beat down on him concentrating on an area that Lesnar had hurt earlier. Michael Cole screaming the entire time.
4. Vince's music hits and he walks to the ring with Stephanie beside him and Triple H joins them and they enter the ring.
5. Vince tells him "Welcome Champ" and Triple H says "Well Done"
6. On Monday Night Raw, Reigns comes out to new music in a suit, with the mullet cut, and the Van Dyke has turned into a line beard. (Nobody can stand line beards)
7. If he could give a decent promo he could make the audience despise him during the first 3 minutes.
 
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Hey Heisman just heard the same thing about retiring the Divas Title and just having a women's title.

I think Sasha is going to win, also heard Charlotte is not endearing herself to folks backstage, acting a little too much like her Daddy.

I also sent you some Tweeter mail too.
 
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The thing is people don't think Reigns has talent. So if he turns heel I think he gets even more heat. He's a good face and I felt if they put the title on him last year this would have stopped his bashing.

Transy 09 is on the mark. While I don't agree with his Reigns takes, I do agree that is how the fans view him.
 

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Heisman, I've been meaning to ask you for about 10 years. What is your job that gets you the interviews you do? Pretty neat!