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JTSHU

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If you mean turning on Holloway let's be clear. My complaint was how he treated the media which obviously included myself. He did a terrible job and should be called out for it.

But in the preseason I also noted that he had changed for the better and hoped it would continue.

Also, there is a standing request about the Trove that everything posted there remains there. Post one more thing re the Trove and it will be the last post you make on this board.

How's that for too funny?
U can tell sha has calmed down a bit the past few games
 

HallX2

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If you mean turning on Holloway let's be clear. My complaint was how he treated the media which obviously included myself. He did a terrible job and should be called out for it.

But in the preseason I also noted that he had changed for the better and hoped it would continue.

Also, there is a standing request about the Trove that everything posted there remains there. Post one more thing re the Trove and it will be the last post you make on this board.

How's that for too funny?
Id give this a 👎
 

HALL85

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Clark is a keeper as he sets the tone on offense and defense. Team struggled on both ends when he sat.

5 APG for a team that shot 43% and 30% from 3.
 
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NCAAsorBust

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I hope a few of our guys stay but nobody is needed to stay. There’s over 3,500 players and about 2,500 will transfer, if we can’t find upgrades shame on us. None of our guys will be top 50 transfers on the market.
 
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hallwins

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I want Clark for sure. He dominates a game at his size on both ends of the floor. Clearly a leader and if we surround him with consistent 3 point shooters, he will be only more effective.

However, he has to commit to shooting at least 3 3 point attempts a game. It has to be a focus and his stroke looks good. If he shoots 30%, completely opens up the floor.
 
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SHUsez

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I was under the impression that Dar was out of eligibility. Can someone please post who on our current roster still has another year or more left or if it's easier, who doesn't. Thanks.
Best I can figure this is the breakdown

eligibility left:

Clark
Dar
Erheriene
Felton
Hines
Mbaye
Parker
Simpkins
Williams

Could probably pursue a medical redshirt:

Suemnick

Out of Eligibility:

Fisher
Gabriel
Payne
Rivera
Station-McCray

That's a pretty strong core of by some miracle everyone stays, then add a PF and 2 or 3 legit shooters to the list. I know posters will get on me it'll never happen, but as a fan you can always dream.
 

NCAAsorBust

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Best I can figure this is the breakdown

eligibility left:

Clark
Dar
Erheriene
Felton
Hines
Mbaye
Parker
Simpkins
Williams

Could probably pursue a medical redshirt:

Suemnick

Out of Eligibility:

Fisher
Gabriel
Payne
Rivera
Station-McCray

That's a pretty strong core of by some miracle everyone stays, then add a PF and 2 or 3 legit shooters to the list. I know posters will get on me it'll never happen, but as a fan you can always dream.
If it’s not going to happen, Dream bigger.
 
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HALL85

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Best I can figure this is the breakdown

eligibility left:

Clark
Dar
Erheriene
Felton
Hines
Mbaye
Parker
Simpkins
Williams

Could probably pursue a medical redshirt:

Suemnick

Out of Eligibility:

Fisher
Gabriel
Payne
Rivera
Station-McCray

That's a pretty strong core of by some miracle everyone stays, then add a PF and 2 or 3 legit shooters to the list. I know posters will get on me it'll never happen, but as a fan you can always dream.
Hard to imagine all nine returning and it strikes me as:
- Two legit BE starters (Clark/Hines)
- Four rotation players (Williams, Simpkins, Parker, Dar)

Need at least two higher level starters (PF and 2G/wing) and one solid rotation player PF/C combo.
 

SPK145

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Dar needs a medical hardship for his first year in Div II (never played JUCO.)
 

Hall91

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I’d like to see all the players who still have eligibility to come back next year. Especially a core of Clark, Hines, Simpkins, Williams, Parker, and hopefully Dar. Probably unrealistic to think it’s going to happen, but would be good for Shaheeen and staff to get some continuity. From there, we need to bring a a legit PF/C 6/8+ guy who can rebound and hopefully can have some outside offense. Obviously we need a legit 3pt shooter or 2 to help keep teams honest Defensively.

Is the NIL budget in the ballpark of $8M? It’s still not optimal relatively speaking, but I think the above is possible With that budget even if Clark/Hines end up having to take up $3M+ of that budget.
 
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Halldan

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To me the question as it has been for years...the NIL. You have little chance to win without the financial support. I can only say this fact right now. No decision has been made regarding our NIL expenditure.
 

PhishingPirate088

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To me the question as it has been for years...the NIL. You have little chance to win without the financial support. I can only say this fact right now. No decision has been made regarding our NIL expenditure.
Don’t you think that’s why Shas name is being floated around? Or is it to get himself more $$?
 

Halldan

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Of course I do and I'm sure his agent is helping. Most every relatively young coach and even many older ones love this type of attention.
 

NCAAsorBust

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How is it the commish fault for compositions of rosters and results out of conf?
When 7 of the 11 teams finish .500 or worse on the season, which includes a number of cupcakes, the buck stops with who? Don't they get TV revenue share money? Are they getting enough? What is she getting paid for if it's not to keep the big east brand strong? Granted times have changed but over 70% of the big east used to get into the tournament. Now 2 times in 3 years over 70% of the league has been left out. If they're paying her just to hand out big east trophies and distribute the money, any schmuck here can do that for 1/3 the price.
 

NYShoreGuy

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When 7 of the 11 teams finish .500 or worse on the season, which includes a number of cupcakes, the buck stops with who? Don't they get TV revenue share money? Are they getting enough? What is she getting paid for if it's not to keep the big east brand strong? Granted times have changed but over 70% of the big east used to get into the tournament. Now 2 times in 3 years over 70% of the league has been left out.
She brokered their new media rights more diversity. She got them a brand partnership with investcoqqq. She just watched sellout after sellout take place this week while other conferences dont have that demand.

Since reformation this will be the 2nd time they have had 3 teams only selected. 2 years ago so many bid stealers changed the bottom of the at-large pool. This year 3 teams only deserve to go.

Did she tell Shaheen and felt to schedule how they did in the ooc?
 

Gritty5837

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I hope a few of our guys stay but nobody is needed to stay. There’s over 3,500 players and about 2,500 will transfer, if we can’t find upgrades shame on us. None of our guys will be top 50 transfers on the market.

Seton Hall absolutely needs to retain them for the purpose of keeping the fan base engaged and enthusiastic. The continuity would be refreshing and a sign we’re capable of keeping our top talent.

Losing Clark or Hines, especially to a BE peer, would be a gut punch. Keep the momentum going!
 

NCAAsorBust

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She brokered their new media rights more diversity. She got them a brand partnership with investcoqqq. She just watched sellout after sellout take place this week while other conferences dont have that demand.

Since reformation this will be the 2nd time they have had 3 teams only selected. 2 years ago so many bid stealers changed the bottom of the at-large pool. This year 3 teams only deserve to go.

Did she tell Shaheen and felt to schedule how they did in the ooc?
Sellout after sellout would've happened regardless with SJU and UConn being elite.
 
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Save Continental

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To me the question as it has been for years...the NIL. You have little chance to win without the financial support. I can only say this fact right now. No decision has been made regarding our NIL expenditure.
Regardless of the financial decision, shouldn’t a decision have been made, like, months ago?
How is Sha supposed to start negotiating and allocating if he still has no idea what he bottom line is? These guys are out the door in 3 weeks if we don’t play ball.

If Hines and/or Clark don’t return it’s going to be a real kick in the you-know-what to the fans and the few die hards we have left, I don’t think are interested in watching 12 new guys next year.
 
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Halldan

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Lol so you just think he’s doing that for fun and not for an increase in $
I have no idea what's in his mind. That said, IMO he doesn't deserve a raise this year as he didn't deserve a reduction in his contract last year.

Combine the two season and his record is 28-37
 
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PhishingPirate088

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Regardless of the financial decision, shouldn’t a decision have been made, like, months ago?
How is Sha supposed to start negotiating and allocating if he still has no idea what he bottom line is? These guys are out the door in 3 weeks if we don’t play ball.

If Hines and/or Clark don’t return it’s going to be a real kick in the you-know-what to the fans and the few die hards we have left, I don’t think are interested in watching 12 new guys next year.
Idk how much it matters because we don’t really want Sha negotiating or allocating lol but point taken

We just need to keep a core (they obviously work well with Sha) and add a few pieces and just hope we win more games next year
 

NCAAsorBust

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Seton Hall absolutely needs to retain them for the purpose of keeping the fan base engaged and enthusiastic. The continuity would be refreshing and a sign we’re capable of keeping our top talent.

Losing Clark or Hines, especially to a BE peer, would be a gut punch. Keep the momentum going!
Engaged? I could've brought a beach blanket and laid out over 10 seats at most of the games.

But seriously Seton Hall fan's infatuation with Seton Hall people is over the top. We need a Seton Hall guy to coach Seton Hall. No we don't we did just fine with PJ, Amaker and Willard. None were SH guys. If we got a shot at a better PG than Clark you wouldn't take him? It's the sucky part of today's landscape. I don't believe in doing business like that, but almost every one of these players is looking at it from that perspective, so coaches should too. You have to try to upgrade everywhere if you could because if you're not, everyone else is.
 

NCAAsorBust

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If Hines and/or Clark don’t return it’s going to be a real kick in the you-know-what to the fans and the few die hards we have left, I don’t think are interested in watching 12 new guys next year.
I agree with this to a point. I hate today's landscape, but really good programs are interested in 12 new players if it takes them to the next level. Gone are the days of watching a Myles Powell, Khadeen Carrington, etc grow. I miss that more than anything,
 

Halldan

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Regardless of the financial decision, shouldn’t a decision have been made, like, months ago?
How is Sha supposed to start negotiating and allocating if he still has no idea what he bottom line is? These guys are out the door in 3 weeks if we don’t play ball.

If Hines and/or Clark don’t return it’s going to be a real kick in the you-know-what to the fans and the few die hards we have left, I don’t think are interested in watching 12 new guys next year.
Not sure most schools, especially the non elite ones would make that decision so early. That said, I'm sure the Pirates have some idea but not the final one. They need to know the market and months ago that market wasn't established yet. Now as we get closer the school will have to finalize a number. I pray it's a least $8M because anything less is going to ruin the momentum of this year.
 

NCAAsorBust

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Not sure most schools, especially the non elite ones would make that decision so early. That said, I'm sure the Pirates have some idea but not the final one. They need to know the market and months ago that market wasn't established yet. Now as we get closer the school will have to finalize a number. I pray it's a least $8M because anything less is going to ruin the momentum of this year.
As one poster yesterday mentioned, it's becoming a never ending arms race. It's 8M next year, 10M the following year and before you know it you will need 15M.
 

Halldan

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It is trending that way, but not sure it's sustainable at that rate. At least for most schools.
 
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NCAAsorBust

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Not sure how some still question this young man. As I see it he's a must stay at the Hall.
A must stay if we can't get any better. There's a saying every business is for sale, it just depends on the price someone is willing to pay. In modern college athletics every player is replaceable, it just depends on what you can get. If you're a believer we can't do any better, then yes he's a must stay. It's not a knock on any player in the land, it's just the disgusting part of the game today.