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MooneyHall07

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Not sure how some still question this young man. As I see it he's a must stay at the Hall

It’s fair to point out his performances against the best team of the league or his lack of 3 point shot, but it’s not like he’s a finished product. He’s going into his fourth year but I remember the last point guard SHU had improved from his junior year to senior year.
 

shu67

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If Clark has not developed a 3-point shot by now he is not going to magically develop one next year no matter how much someone tries. He does not need one as long as he can be surrounded by complimentary players who can not only soot the 3 but also make the 2 which was very much lacking this year!
 

Halldan

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The question is a simple one. Can we do better? I would be shocked if the answer is yes.

Sha got a gem for the program and to not see it is confusing to me.

2nd team All Big East
1st team all defense
1st team all tournament
 

NYShoreGuy

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If Clark has not developed a 3-point shot by now he is not going to magically develop one next year no matter how much someone tries. He does not need one as long as he can be surrounded by complimentary players who can not only soot the 3 but also make the 2 which was very much lacking this year!
Oh yeah that easy...well the scout on him is pretty much poker game cards face up
 

Gritty5837

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Engaged? I could've brought a beach blanket and laid out over 10 seats at most of the games.

But seriously Seton Hall fan's infatuation with Seton Hall people is over the top. We need a Seton Hall guy to coach Seton Hall. No we don't we did just fine with PJ, Amaker and Willard. None were SH guys. If we got a shot at a better PG than Clark you wouldn't take him? It's the sucky part of today's landscape. I don't believe in doing business like that, but almost every one of these players is looking at it from that perspective, so coaches should too. You have to try to upgrade everywhere if you could because if you're not, everyone else is.

Not sure what your first sentence refutes. The team stunk last year and the roster has had complete turnover year to year. What you mentioned is a by product of that amongst other things. The team almost went to the tournament, the entire fanbase is aware now of Clark & Hines so yes when it comes to selling tickets and keeping the fanbase engaged they should retain both players.

1. Its going to be hard to bring a better PG here
2. I'd argue the continuity is needed

Sha should put the best team together, true, but you can build a good team around those two.
 

DIMEDISHA13

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I want Clark for sure. He dominates a game at his size on both ends of the floor. Clearly a leader and if we surround him with consistent 3 point shooters, he will be only more effective.

However, he has to commit to shooting at least 3 3 point attempts a game. It has to be a focus and his stroke looks good. If he shoots 30%, completely opens up the floor.
Honestly I thought we had some good shooters on this team. It’s just that our offense is so putrid that we can’t get guys consistent good looks every game. We run around those curls only to dribble hand off and just get our shooters legs tired. Throw that on top of the style of defense we play, no wonder guys were getting cramps so often.
 
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radecicco

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Sellout after sellout would've happened regardless with SJU and UConn being elite.
C’mon man. The BET has sold out every session since 2022. Compare that to any other conference, often times the early rounds are barely half full.
 
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The_Hall

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The question is a simple one. Can we do better? I would be shocked if the answer is yes.

Sha got a gem for the program and to not see it is confusing to me.

2nd team All Big East
1st team all defense
1st team all tournament
some people need to ask that question about the coach too. times have changed.
 

Gritty5837

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Honestly I thought we had some good shooters on this team. It’s just that our offense is so putrid that we can’t get guys consistent good looks every game. We run around those curls only to dribble hand off and just get our shooters legs tired. Throw that on top of the style of defense we play, no wonder guys were getting cramps so often.

Going back to Willard my issue with the weave was the lack of threat towards the basket. That's quite literally where you or the ball needs to go, if your shoulders are not facing the basket you are zero threat to score. And to waste 10-15 seconds of shot clock like that makes very little sense to me.
 
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NCAAsorBust

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C’mon man. The BET has sold out every session since 2022. Compare that to any other conference, often times the early rounds are barely half full.
Ever since UConn joined and we got 11 teams buying tickets and the 11th fan base is a huge fan base that travels as well as any in the country, we sell out. Crazy coincidence. Not to mention we have 6 fan bases within a 4 hour drive.

We will make more money with more teams in the big dance than the BET will ever make. Unless we get a total of 3 teams in that exit early.
 
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NYShoreGuy

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Going back to Willard my issue with the weave was the lack of threat towards the basket. That's quite literally where you or the ball needs to go, if your shoulders are not facing the basket you are zero threat to score. And to waste 10-15 seconds of shot clock like that makes very little sense to me.
High school used to run that offense to kill time in a no shot clock state, they called it Tease
 

hallstorm

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If Bud can just develop a 3 point shot, he’d be devastating.

I would just put him on the 3 point line all summer and then have him and Hines perfect the screen and roll
 

Seton75

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If Clark has not developed a 3-point shot by now he is not going to magically develop one next year no matter how much someone tries. He does not need one as long as he can be surrounded by complimentary players who can not only soot the 3 but also make the 2 which was very much lacking this year!
John Morton developed a three in the sumner before his sr yr. Can be done.
 

NYShoreGuy

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Yup them too. When 7 of the 11 teams finish .500 or below I would say something’s wrong collectively
Or the top 3 were considerably better in this one season and the rest of the crowd beat each other up and there was no true basement bottom.

Is this more to your liking?

2019-20 Men's Basketball Standings

SchoolW-LPCT.W-LPCT.
Creighton13-5.72224-7.774
Villanova13-5.72224-7.774
Seton Hall13-5.72221-9.700
Providence12-6.66719-12.613
Butler10-8.55622-9.710
Marquette8-10.44418-12.600
Xavier8-10.44419-13.594
St. John's5-13.27817-15.531
Georgetown5-13.27815-17.469
DePaul3-15.16716-16.500
 

NCAAsorBust

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Or the top 3 were considerably better in this one season and the rest of the crowd beat each other up and there was no true basement bottom.

Is this more to your liking?

2019-20 Men's Basketball Standings

SchoolW-LPCT.W-LPCT.
Creighton13-5.72224-7.774
Villanova13-5.72224-7.774
Seton Hall13-5.72221-9.700
Providence12-6.66719-12.613
Butler10-8.55622-9.710
Marquette8-10.44418-12.600
Xavier8-10.44419-13.594
St. John's5-13.27817-15.531
Georgetown5-13.27815-17.469
DePaul3-15.16716-16.500
Genius I’m talking about overall record not big east record. 7 of 11 teams under .500 when everyone is playing cupcakes is terrible. 1 team was under .500 for the season. That’s a beautiful thing.
 

NYShoreGuy

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Genius I’m talking about overall record not big east record. 7 of 11 teams under .500 when everyone is playing cupcakes is terrible. 1 team was under .500 for the season. That’s a beautiful thing.
2/3 of a schedule in the conference. If you struggle in conf you may not break .500 overall.

Say a team went 8--3 ooc and 7-13 in conf. Still a below .500 record
 

dehere23

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This headline didn't age well. Nor did Jerry's comment about DePaul earlier this season.
Yup, and I don't know if we ever get an answer as to why. Maybe a bunch of guys are so banged up they just felt it wasn't worth doing?
 

NCAAsorBust

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2/3 of a schedule in the conference. If you struggle in conf you may not break .500 overall.

Say a team went 8--3 ooc and 7-13 in conf. Still a below .500 record
If you’re in the 5th best conference in the country you shouldn’t have 7 of 11 teams .500 or less. Thats mid major stuff. Not one of the P4 had 50% of the league at .500 or less and 2/3 of their schedule is conference
 

DIMEDISHA13

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Going back to Willard my issue with the weave was the lack of threat towards the basket. That's quite literally where you or the ball needs to go, if your shoulders are not facing the basket you are zero threat to score. And to waste 10-15 seconds of shot clock like that makes very little sense to me.
Exactly!!! All the momentum going away from the basket, shoulder not squared to the basket.
 
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A must stay if we can't get any better. There's a saying every business is for sale, it just depends on the price someone is willing to pay. In modern college athletics every player is replaceable, it just depends on what you can get. If you're a believer we can't do any better, then yes he's a must stay. It's not a knock on any player in the land, it's just the disgusting part of the game today.
Easier said than done. Budd is a known commodity; we know he can succeed in Sha’s system. Any new player is an unknown commodity in that respect…and “fit” matters.
I say he has to stay
 
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If Clark has not developed a 3-point shot by now he is not going to magically develop one next year no matter how much someone tries. He does not need one as long as he can be surrounded by complimentary players who can not only soot the 3 but also make the 2 which was very much lacking this year!
Not true. John Morton was not a good long range shooter until his senior year. Was under 30% then shot over 40% as a senior.
It can be done
 
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NCAAsorBust

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Easier said than done. Budd is a known commodity; we know he can succeed in Sha’s system. Any new player is an unknown commodity in that respect…and “fit” matters.
I say he has to stay
I feel like most pirate fans I know said the same thing about Coleman last year.
 

BobbieSolo

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Best I can figure this is the breakdown

eligibility left:

Clark
Dar
Erheriene
Felton
Hines
Mbaye
Parker
Simpkins
Williams

Could probably pursue a medical redshirt:

Suemnick

Out of Eligibility:

Fisher
Gabriel
Payne
Rivera
Station-McCray

That's a pretty strong core of by some miracle everyone stays, then add a PF and 2 or 3 legit shooters to the list. I know posters will get on me it'll never happen, but as a fan you can always dream.

We should include Payday Moore in this list of potentials, right? He's a 2026 commit coming here this fall unless I am mistaken. There's your backup PG for Budd, alongside Walker & Felton if they both come back (but both almost certainly won't).

I'd imagine you would see Walker (if he stays) at the 1 a bit but hopefully more at the 2 if Payday is here. I like Simpkins alot & clearly Coach is in love with Williams (he DOES have great energy & was good on offense at times), so I would roll the dice on the two of them platooning at the 2 & cross your fingers they both improve. At the same time, this feels a bit pollyanna, b/c if a known quantity/stone cold shooter type was available to us as a starting 2 guard, it would be irresponsible of the staff to not take him. Ugh. "Two in the hand..." to some degree.

Then we hopefully get a major upgrade at the 3 & 4 in the portal. At least we know we have to pursue that 100% & it won't ruffle any feathers to do so. Godswill used to love it here, and hopefully still does, so he can stay on as a backup down low if he is cool with that. Really unfortunate how long he was out & he clearly didn't develop at all as a result. He's gotta know he can't be the man at the 4 for us as a result.

To be blunt, Suemnick looked like an awful pickup for us BEFORE he got hurt. Now that he clearly really hurt himself, I want no part of him. Find another backup 5.
 

NYShoreGuy

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If you’re in the 5th best conference in the country you shouldn’t have 7 of 11 teams .500 or less. Thats mid major stuff. Not one of the P4 had 50% of the league at .500 or less and 2/3 of their schedule is conference
Recent history there was criticism of both ACC and SEC. SEC even brought in Tranghese to help for a season
 

HallGuy2323

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3 bids for conference is becoming the norm. Not good sign. Probably won’t get better with NIL $$ increasing.
Exactly. We have to expand or the league will be in major trouble. We can’t rely on conference games picking up the metrics. Unless you beat the top 2 teams yearly youre not going to get much improvement in your metrics.

So either you’re going to have to dominate a legit OOC schedule or we need to bring in more schools to allow for more opportunities of quality wins in league play.

As it stands the Big East is now a 4 bid maximum league going forward.
 

NYShoreGuy

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Exactly. We have to expand or the league will be in major trouble. We can’t rely on conference games picking up the metrics. Unless you beat the top 2 teams yearly youre not going to get much improvement in your metrics.

So either you’re going to have to dominate a legit OOC schedule or we need to bring in more schools to allow for more opportunities of quality wins in league play.

As it stands the Big East is now a 4 bid maximum league going forward.
I mean they got 5 bids just last season
 
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Recent history there was criticism of both ACC and SEC. SEC even brought in Tranghese to help for a season
Exactly. Thank you for making my point. Top dogs in those conferences had to look in the mirror and they brought in help. That was my point so does Val. You made it sound like because we sold out the big east tournament she’s phenomenal and it’s on the ADs and coaches. NCAA tournament is real money. 3 teams isn’t enough.
 

NYShoreGuy

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I give you major credit for your ability to go through hoops to think the conference is in great shape. 3 teams in the dance twice in 3 years is a bad trend.
You appear to be an overreactor

2 seasons ago was the lining up of a perfect storm, red included as an abnormal amount of bid stealing took place. By virtue of nit seed shu clearly would have been in the field without such series of events.

In short I would say the middle of the back needs to do better and the bottom of the league needs to improve even more than it has.
 
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You appear to be an overreactor

2 seasons ago was the lining up of a perfect storm, red included as an abnormal amount of bid stealing took place. By virtue of nit seed shu clearly would have been in the field without such series of events.

In short I would say the middle of the back needs to do better and the bottom of the league needs to improve even more than it has.
There's always an excuse on why things are still good since they weren't accomplished. Think Small at Seton Hall.
 
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