watched the bears vs. vandy, I have a question. I only got to see the fourth quarter of that game, but the parts that I saw, it looked like vandy was really crashing the line bringing linebackers and maybe safeties hard. From reading nafoom, it sounded like vandy really shut down that end around with scott and the parts that I saw, they were in the backfield getting after Wallace pretty good. What exactly were they doing and is this approach the best way to attack their offense?
Coach34 or 57 or anyone else with football knowledge that
- Thread starter AlSwearengen
- Start date
Basically, the lack of OL depth at OM was really starting to show late in that game... What Vandy did was contest the LOS and constantly force Scott east and west OOB for little to no gains. Bet he ran for 300 yards + east and west while getting that 40 or so that he got. They decided to take away the run and force Wallace to beat them with their arms. While the approach "worked" in that Vandy won, Wallace absolutely lit them up in the passing game to the tune of 400 yards passing...
Really wasn't much "exploitable" we can learn from that game defensively, IMO... They are going to put up yards and points... Just got to put up more yards and more points.
I only saw the last half of the 4th Q. Vandy did a real good job of bringing pressure though. That is definitely the best way to disrupt their offense, but you have to make tackles when you do that.
If it were me, I'd pinch my DL all night long and force Wallace to run the ball and get hit play after play by our LB's. You've got to close it down inside and not let Scott establish anything inside.
If it were me, I'd pinch my DL all night long and force Wallace to run the ball and get hit play after play by our LB's. You've got to close it down inside and not let Scott establish anything inside.
I think just about everyone would, but.....
Will our excuse of a DC actually try something that a previous team has shown to work against an upcoming opponent?
Has he really shown that he learns much from tape? Has he shown that he can adjust in game, not at halftime, and make changes from drive to drive? We seem to only make changes at half, if we make any changes at all. For instance Banks blanketing Jarvis Landry and shutting him down Sat night, after he'd single handledly beat us the entire first half. Why wasnt banks on him after he'd caught his 4th 10+ yard reception? No excuse for one player, a WR at that, to continue to be open and best us play after play.
I could rant endlessly about Wilson but that's for another thread. To answer your question, I'm not sure Wilson will employ the obvious defense to slow down the rebels. I expect to see us play more *****, sit back on heels and react defense. But most times when we actually react, the RB/WR/QB is even with or past us and we throw a piss poor arm tackle attempt at them.
Do you ever see great defensive baseball players sitting back on their heels? You can't react or move quickly. During the pitch they get on the balls of their feet and chop them of not take smal steps inward so they are in the most athletic position to respond and react.
Will our excuse of a DC actually try something that a previous team has shown to work against an upcoming opponent?
Has he really shown that he learns much from tape? Has he shown that he can adjust in game, not at halftime, and make changes from drive to drive? We seem to only make changes at half, if we make any changes at all. For instance Banks blanketing Jarvis Landry and shutting him down Sat night, after he'd single handledly beat us the entire first half. Why wasnt banks on him after he'd caught his 4th 10+ yard reception? No excuse for one player, a WR at that, to continue to be open and best us play after play.
I could rant endlessly about Wilson but that's for another thread. To answer your question, I'm not sure Wilson will employ the obvious defense to slow down the rebels. I expect to see us play more *****, sit back on heels and react defense. But most times when we actually react, the RB/WR/QB is even with or past us and we throw a piss poor arm tackle attempt at them.
Do you ever see great defensive baseball players sitting back on their heels? You can't react or move quickly. During the pitch they get on the balls of their feet and chop them of not take smal steps inward so they are in the most athletic position to respond and react.
Seeing my name headline a post made me feel like I've "made it" over here on the pack now. Lol. Okay tsun runs a lot of zone read & and perimeter running plays to stretch the defense east & west afterwhich they hit you with the dive/belly plays. The one thing Vandy is, is intelligent. To stop a running game like that you have GOT to play assignment football. Against tsun & their zone blocking you have just (literally) a split second to read it. Then EVERYBODY has an assignment. LBs need to sprint to the sideline and DTs need to smother the dive & not get down blocked. DEs MUST (probably most critical) slow play their outside containment assignment so that a tackle doesn't get matched up on a LB. And the backside DE ABSOLUTELY can NOT get caught running up field! If he does he has TERRIBLE angle on a WR coming around. I've faced my fair share of teams like this and the biggest hurdle to overcome is for guys to do their jobs! Hope i could help.
Last edited:
you lost me at 57. if i use lot's of parantheses (at leats every other sentence) and capitalization will YOU think i know a lot about FOOTBALL?
exactly...it's assignment football- just like it is with any option team
Our DE's should have to worry too much- they slow play everything. You also made a good point about getting upfield- our DL doesnt do that. and it should really help us vs them. But we can't get walled off in the zone scheme to create running lanes. That's why I mentioned mentioned pinching your DL, and letting the LB's scrape and flow off the ends.
So... the offensive line depth? Really? How many teams do you know that rotate their offensive line?
So... they made Wallace beat them with his arm? And (as you stated) he dismantled their secondary.
The game was 23-6 at the half. TSUN had a couple of chances to ice the game if they could convert a third & short. They also missed a field goal in the fourth.
Scott had no success all game. TSUN receivers dropped a lot of passes. TSUN was gased on D in the fourth quarter.
Vanderbilt looked like a high school team. The game shouldn't have been close. Vandy did blitz a lot. Wallace didn't have a lot of time to throw. Sometimes they blew up the read-option at the mesh-point. The game changed when Aaron Rodgers went to the sidelines.
Spanky, quit stalking my posts.
All of them. At least the ones that want a future at the position. But since you failed to interpret what I was saying, I'll break it down for you. Ole Miss has NO depth there, especially at OT. In close games, they can't afford to take their starters out much, if at all. They run the HURRY UP offense. As such, those starters tire out late in games, especially games where they are consistently moving the ball like they did against Vanderbilt. Their OL was a revolving door the entire fourth quarter. Early in the game, that wasn't a problem. This is a fault of running the hurry up with a lack of depth... A problem that Freeze has mostly done a really good of masking all year, but at the end of the Vandy game, it became apparent.
I'm equal opportunity.
I read posts as they come. You're posts stick out like a sore thumb. Sorry.
Ah, you didn't answer my question. Name another team that runs a hurry-up offense that rotates its offensive line? Tackles, guards, or center. That's why TSUN and TAMU are first half-teams. I understand that point. And if you look at their games, Freezus has not done a good job of masking that fact - nor has TAMU.
I read posts as they come. You're posts stick out like a sore thumb. Sorry.
Ah, you didn't answer my question. Name another team that runs a hurry-up offense that rotates its offensive line? Tackles, guards, or center. That's why TSUN and TAMU are first half-teams. I understand that point. And if you look at their games, Freezus has not done a good job of masking that fact - nor has TAMU.
If you are going to question me on this, at least do a little research on the matter and provide data instead of throwing out a "blind opinion"... Almost everything I say on here, I can back with fact/stats, usually researched before I opine at all. You would be amazed how often impulse opinion does not match statistical fact.
Using your A&M example in attempt to say they don't rotate...They have played 14 different OL this yr. Of course they don't rotate DURING a drive, but they do change it up for individual drives to give guys breathers. They have started the same 5 in every game, while playing 2 additional backups in every game. They have 3 more guys that play in > 50% of their games. Then 4 that get light experience here and there.
That's a pretty significant rotation. A&M has had zero trouble late in games. Their trouble is simply turning the ball over.