Coaching Staff Next Year
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When did I ever say TNT seek guidance from me . Never have I said that. I said today I'm a nobody who loves wrestling.
My issue is with entitled fans that whine incessantly about 5th place finishes as if that is “average” when the current coach is literally the ONLY one to do it over a 17 year span.
On top of that, MOST of you truly have NO IDEA how to really make it any better, instead you constantly disparage the coaches and even the wrestlers not ever really beginning to have a CLUE how hard it is to even AA at the DI level.
But, hey, this is Iowa so we should just automatically have multiple NCAA Champs and just having at least one Finalist for 35 years really sucks.
Hate on me all you want, but make these complaints outside of this super fringe bubble and see how many people agree with all the whining when it could be SO much worse…
Very well thought out reply. The truth must really hurt…
I will defend Corby by saying that he is right. JB may not be yesterday’s news to you, but to teenagers, he may be. JB’s shine is growing dimmer over time to KIDS.
I’m guessing I have a better grasp on that kind of stuff than most since I’m in my mid 20s. DT prior to going OSU is at best on par with JB popularity wise and I’ll stick by that.
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Let me translate that, in less than 4 paragraphs... Accept Mediocrity.
So 5th or better every year is mediocrity? You literally proved my point in way less than 4 paragraphs….as if that is an insult when it shouldn’t even take 30 seconds to read…
Right? Did you see the crowd at MSU when the Hawks wrestled there earlier in the season? We had more community support in our little town of 5000 when I wrestled in hs. Their program is a joke and that’s what he was used to in college.
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The issue is that you look at Iowa’s tradition and resources and think 5th is reasonable. You think 2 guys winning titles in 8 years is achievement and not an embarrassment.
Calling it “entitlement” is ridiculous.
I truly believe the mindset MSU and others have is an overall lack of respect for what Iowa can and should be. Iowa State, Michigan, and Minnesota would be happy with 5th so we should too.
You know the work of Tarp and others who provide the stats on what 5th vs 1st place looks like. It’s losing by 75+ points at nationals and losing duals 8 matches to 2. Overall lack of hope in the program.
Next how about you actually come to the Iowa duals at Carver where there is no entertainment. I tried to wait until after the season to post my gripes, but after the loss to Minnesota and sqeaking by Michigan which had the lowest scanned tickets for a big ten meet in years it seems like it was time to speak.
Exactly. You can coach mid tier guys up all you want, you're not beating a lineup of blue chippers without a bunch of your own.
How many #1 p4p have either gotten?
How many ncaa champions have each coached?
Go build up your Alma mater if you're happy with 5th. We're not. So long as people with your "5th is good" mentality are the outliers that will never change.
100%
i'm just saying that while some of the names mentioned here might be good, i'm not sold on some of them as a coach, and some others, frankly, i'd be seriously concerned with.
ok, instead of 'you/your'....
'many of the names consistently mentioned here'
stop. for every 1 comment admitting that cael develops better there's been 5 threads saying PSU only wins because they recruit better, takes steroids, or has more money (or all three)
precisely 'just one data point'. absolute rarity in a sea of of less productive delusion.
yeah. fine. i'm not naming names. i'm not saying 'why the hell do you think this guy could run iowa wrestling just because his name has cache.' i'll admit that.
Again…. who tf is Cael?
I'd take 1 champ per year at this point.
I'm out of popcorn, but Willie is not out of beer
i stay stocked, Bobby!
I'm not disagreeing that Cael is a good coach or that he and his staff are great at developing talent. However, you can't argue that his ability to recruit outweighs that. When you almost effortlessly pull in top 10 talent the way they do it produces a room of savages, both starters and back-ups. That room becomes so competitive guys within it can't help but get better almost daily.
Just a question, do you think the coaching staff at PSU made MM the wrestler he is solely with their superior coaching styles and knowledge -or- do you think it had something to do with him banging heads with Haines, Kasak, Duke, Henkel, etc. And this argument can be made for every wrestler at every weight on that team.
Now should Sanderson be disparage for his ability to recruit? Absolutely not, it's the most important part of being a HC. But to claim the PSU staff coaching chops are responsible for all the success and results they are having is not accurate. It starts and stops with their unparalleled ability to recruit the top kids.
i didn't mean to derail the convo into the beaten-to-death Cael recruiting vs coaching argument.
my point is simply - some of these guys mentioned here as a potential head coach at iowa are horrible suggestions and they are only mentioned because it is assumed their big name will attract recruits.
not taken into account is the personality, motivation, dna (all the faculties) of someone who needs to wear a dozen hats to run a program.
my point is simply - some of these guys mentioned here as a potential head coach at iowa are horrible suggestions and they are only mentioned because it is assumed their big name will attract recruits.
not taken into account is the personality, motivation, dna (all the faculties) of someone who needs to wear a dozen hats to run a program.
Yes it’s mediocrity. The goal isn’t top 5. Iowa has been settling for that. every wrestler knows how hard it is to be a national champ. You come on here telling posters to accept what they have( top 5 ). We come on here and say it’s not good enough. I dont see the disconnect. If fans stop wanting more its called apathy.
Look, that is a serious twist of words. I have said plenty of times that I have no issue with wanting more. Of course every fan should want championships. However, calling finishing top 5 “mediocre” and “average” is so ridiculously insulting to DI wrestlers as a whole. That is where the ridiculous entitlement lies.
Even with the recent results of tOSU and Nebraska I am sure even they would trade places with Iowa knowing these are blips that they have never maintained more than a couple years. So basically 74 of the other 76 teams would LOVE to be Iowa even now. So yeah, I have a really hard time with the ridiculous levels of negativity and the beyond stupid responses I get.
Again, I completely understand wanting more. I just can’t stand the negative way so many are going about it on here…
Easy solution. Move on.
On this one you're wrong.
Iowa's lack of success is well talked about in the community. And most importantly, among recruits. And it has been since 2014. When you say fans are "entitled" - well yeah. That's the point. This program has the resources and history to be competing for national titles every year. But that hasn't been the case since 2010.
You're right that most people don't know how hard it is to AA. But that's not the goal at Iowa. As stated by its head coach. And saying it could be worse is an obtuse and unhelpful statement to make. The standard is the standard, and if someone is not meeting it, you move on to the next guy and give him a chance.
Pro-Tom backers will say that we have the "2nd best" program in the country. That the juggernaut of PSU just can't be beat. Well... who's fault is that? Tom refused to actively recruit for 15 years. Then coasted on the PA kids and did it again until just this past season.
Then you couple that with the actual product... We don't score points, we don't scramble well, we don't have an RTC or multiple guys on World teams - and yeah, there's a lot to factually "whine" about. Tom is not doing a good job. And just because you say its hard, everyone else is just supposed to accept it? This is supposed to be Iowa. Tom told us if there was life on other planets we were going win there too.
The standard is competing for championships. Not top 5. That's ridiculous to think that even Tom is thinking differently.
So for me, the biggest problem is this one stat: If PSU doesn't exist - Tom has ONE more championship. That's it. And that's not the standard.
This is the "literal" equivalent to Rich People Problems. Oh, woe is me, I had to eat a New York Strip today because they were out of Chateaubriand. Man, do New York Strip suck!!!! Meanwhile 99% would LOVE to have the New York Strip.
Again, it isn't about wanting more. It is the incessant whining and blasting one of the top coaches in history, without truly even having a remotely feasible plan to replace him.
On top of all that, MOST of those being so negative on here had gripes with Brands for a very long time. Even you have made that VERY obvious in your personal stance...
You should come by more often. I'm here almost every day. Gulp. Don't tell my wife. But it's been a long time since the comments have been running 5 to 1 in favor of saying that recruiting, not development, is the sole key to Cael's success.
Except this isn't a New York Strip. Finishing 2nd to a dynasty. Being in competition with them, year after year, having multiple finalists and champs throughout the past 15 years. Yes. THAT would be a New York Strip.
Being upset enough to want change is not "incessant whining" - it's a dereliction of the standard. There have been many plans/requests/ideas by persons on this board for change at the top. The administration not doing anything about it is the problem. Tom not doing a better job despite the resources and actual feedback is the problem.
If Tom and the administration want to come out and say that Iowa is NOT in the business of competing for chips every year - then sure, myself and the rest of the fans should calm down on all rhetoric in the opposite.
But until then - feedback of the fans simply pointing out the obvious and wanting change is not the problem.
Horrible analysis. Iowa was New York strip now more of a beef roast. You keep saying one of the greatest of all time. Use it in past tense. Was great. So was Bill Bilcheck. So was Vince Lombardi . The internet was new. VHS and Walkman were a thing. Time to move forward. If Iowa stays the same they will turn into Minnesota where top 10 is good enough.