NIL and Transfer portal have ruined college FB. Players no longer play for a school. They play for money. Which is (or was)the shinning difference between CFB and NFL. I don’t know but a handful of MSU players now. Transfers should have a limit. One time unless your coach leaves. It’s ridiculous. Yeah I m old school. I watch less and the passion for my schools team is not as great as it once was. That said I will always hope the Dawgs will win.
College FB ruined
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Same thing happened to the NFL when free agency began. Many years ago I knew all the Raider players and never missed a game.
I was just talking to co-worker, whose son plays in the acc. I asked if the players would be physically beat after a long season and 4 playoff games to go.
His response was the players will play if they want the extra nil money. Which I didn't think about. He explained typically their nil contract is for 12 games. The collectives will have to come up with more money to pay them through the playoffs or (in his case) bowl game.
can you imagine being cigar booster and being shaken down for another couple million to fund payroll through the playoffs? Good grief.
His response was the players will play if they want the extra nil money. Which I didn't think about. He explained typically their nil contract is for 12 games. The collectives will have to come up with more money to pay them through the playoffs or (in his case) bowl game.
can you imagine being cigar booster and being shaken down for another couple million to fund payroll through the playoffs? Good grief.
Do you think that's because of the money or the 2-10 record? I know which one it is for me (hint: it ain't the money.)
I mean... that sounds kind of awesome to be in that position, actually. I would love to have this problem.
Lots (most?) players played for money when it was under the table too. The problem is twofold. One, it's completely changed it into a tournament dynamic, where the vast, vast majority of schools are going to come out worse for having played. Two, it ruins the fan experience. NCAA football at the highest level is still minor league football. Nobody wants to pay big money to watch minor league sports if you divorce it from their school, so no longer having any figleaf to pretend that it's something other than minor league sports with free agency with contracts that are only enforceable against schools, not in their favor, makes it a lot less enjoyable.
Well, a couple of things that may make you feel better:
- There's always been a group that played for the money, even when it was under the table. Just reality.
- While I think they never should have changed the immediate eligibility of the portal (unless, like you say, a coaching change), keep in mind, that is what is giving us the parity now and keeping the blue bloods from hoarding all the talent. Which is precisely why we now have 120 man rosters, because they complained.
But yeah.....portal suuuuuuuucks for most anything outside of a coaching change.
BUT.....the games aren't ruined. Those few hours on those few Saturdays in the fall are still awesome. But caring about it outside of that? Eh, not for me. I don't understand why anybody would pay money to the recruiting sites anymore, honestly. But maybe, some folks have gone the other way and are more obsessed than ever.
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You can't deny that the fact that a player can get in the portal yearly to essentially get a valuation is complete bullshlt, and kills it for a lot of people. It totally kills the loyalty/tribalism.
There was no reason to do this. They should have just allowed transfers due to coaching changes (and only to follow that coach), and been done with it. Other than that, you sit out a year, unless you've graduated.
The portal has created this. No one can honestly say NIL/payment hasn't always been there, since the damned 70s. It's a part of it, and if boosters want to pay, pay. And without the portal, we wouldn't need huge sums of money, thus revenue sharing would not be necessary.
And also......the NFL should lower their age limit, thus getting the better players out of college as soon as possible.
If I could change one rule: transfer, sit out one year; no exceptions.
It would bring sanity to the sport AND be better for the athletes. Playing at three or four schools in five years is not good for the athlete on many levels.
It would bring sanity to the sport AND be better for the athletes. Playing at three or four schools in five years is not good for the athlete on many levels.
Once long time starters like Beck, Milroe, Dart and Shadure leave, i feel like the QB position at most universities is going to be a year to year mercenary position.
That's going to lead to more parity and put pressure on the offensive minded coaching staffs to develop and develop fast. Games are just going to get uglier and sloppier because every team for the most part is resetting every year. It is why you have to have the offensive system to generate explosive plays.
That's going to lead to more parity and put pressure on the offensive minded coaching staffs to develop and develop fast. Games are just going to get uglier and sloppier because every team for the most part is resetting every year. It is why you have to have the offensive system to generate explosive plays.
Yeah the portal sucks and the NIL collectives irritate the hell out of me. Bring back the 1 year sit out requirement and some of what bothers me about the first two go away.
That said, I'm looking at Boise State, Indiana, SMU, and ASU making up 1/3 of the playoffs. If they can get in the playoffs, conference differences be damned, we should at least be able to compete at a high level with the right leadership to assemble coaching, talent, and fan engagement.
That said, I'm looking at Boise State, Indiana, SMU, and ASU making up 1/3 of the playoffs. If they can get in the playoffs, conference differences be damned, we should at least be able to compete at a high level with the right leadership to assemble coaching, talent, and fan engagement.
You have to address the coaching changes and their exorbitant salaries. If they can leave after lying to the players, players should get that freedom as well. Also wouldn't force coaches to lie.
There is a significant financial penalty when coaches bail. None for players.
Boise is G5, so we can't really compare to them.
SMU is out-spending, similar to Ole Miss, which an unlimited budget. Can't compare to them either.
This brings me to Indiana and ASU, who are unconventionally getting it done with toughness, which is why I say we also need to go against the grain in NIL and scheme. We can't do what the blue blood guys are doing, because we can't compete with their level of buying players.
All I'm saying is that having the worst season in a generation (or more) is making this all feel a lot worse and a lot more hopeless, but if we were winning, I don't think anybody would be would be so in their feelings about the current state of college football (except for the incessant whiners among us that complain about everything).
This was the argument when they opened up immediate eligibility, but player free agency has greatly surpassed coach movement. Coaches have multi-year contracts with buyout clauses. Unlike the NFL, players don't have binding contracts.
ETA: Coach pay is also starting to be addressed. The uncertainty of revenue sharing absolutely impacted coaching decisions this cycle. Ten years ago, schools would have paid huge buyouts and offered huge contracts. Instead, they decided to kick the can.
I agree that it is the last step needed to kill college football, but it was already on its deathbed. Money has been around college sports for a long time, but it has only become a big business in recent years. Even having a game between Ohio State and Michigan or Alabama and Georgia is nothing like it used to be. I think college football will be the lesser for it in the end. It's probably going to change the college experience for the student.
It somewhat seems that college ball has lost a lot of its pageantry
Nope. I just think it’s bad and I felt that way when it really opened up during Covid. There’s a day coming soon when this blows up because it will be unsustainable. Changing the portal transfer rule would help. IMO.
I love MSU but I despise the transfer portal as it is today. I’m not arguing with anyone on this site. I’m offering an opinion.
Man, this so true.....but there's an existential crisis going on. Why do people still turn out to watch the games, and follow teams all over the country, and watch on TV en masse? I think we all realize it has lost the pageantry, but yet it's still popular.
My theory is.....have PEOPLE simply lost their pageantry? Is it simply all just entertainment for everyone now? I think it's pretty easy to look around society and see a bunch of soulless sheep. But I assume an element of this has always been there.
Or maybe......there was just a small amount of us who had this true passion for it, and the masses were never invested. So they just see it as the same as it's always been. Just show up and cheer blindly for a team. But it's crazy for me to spend that level of money and time for something you're not really passionate about. But we see it all the time. All about the social part of it, keeping up with Jones, having skyboxes/suites, etc.
College football was privately ruined many years ago. The Bamas, LSUs, Ohio States, Georigas of the football world have been paying to have the best rosters for years. Now it is semi-public info.
The only question now is how much $$$ will college programs lose each year before they realize it is not worth breaking the piggy bank every year.
Maybe we will see these 9 figure guaranteed coaching contracts end. That is beyond ridiculous. You have a situation where college coaches make much more than NFL coaches, even after they are fired. Coaches making $10M per year (and 10 years guaranteed) and the average athletes are making $10K/year and nothing is guaranteed - they are the ones playing the damn game.
The only question now is how much $$$ will college programs lose each year before they realize it is not worth breaking the piggy bank every year.
Maybe we will see these 9 figure guaranteed coaching contracts end. That is beyond ridiculous. You have a situation where college coaches make much more than NFL coaches, even after they are fired. Coaches making $10M per year (and 10 years guaranteed) and the average athletes are making $10K/year and nothing is guaranteed - they are the ones playing the damn game.
Nostalgia seems more popular than ever and college football can capitalize on that if they play their cards right.
Imagine the NFL or MLB with free agency every 6 months. That’s what we have in college sports now
I keep seeing the most cynical folks say it's just money money money. But that's not true. It's still about fan support, creating a culture that players want to be around, and showing up to games. There's an equation involved here. Even SMU and Ole Miss, two of the most well-known over-payers out there, have pretty solid support. You can't just up and buy a team.
I've heard that it was unsustainable for years, yet it never ends. An Ole Miss poster on Nafoom said many years ago that "college sports is the most recession proof thing there is". I think it was during the 2008-2009 timeframe, after the 08 bust. Some truth in that.
Sports are in a very weird and unprecedented spot right now. I don't hate NIL or the portal itself, but I sure hate the lack of structure and regulation around both of them. I have to admit, though, that it's not stopping me from enjoying a Saturday of college football nor does it seem to be slowing down the money that people are willing to pump into athletics as a form of entertainment.
All that said, I do wonder about the long term impact. I'm about 90% of the way through building a bourbon bar in my house that includes five shelves of MSU memorabilia ranging from Clark/Palmeiro and the '96 final 4 all the way to the CWS. I've had a blast collecting and putting it together, but the question I'll have for my kids is... who the 17 are they going to put on their shelves in 15 years?
All that said, I do wonder about the long term impact. I'm about 90% of the way through building a bourbon bar in my house that includes five shelves of MSU memorabilia ranging from Clark/Palmeiro and the '96 final 4 all the way to the CWS. I've had a blast collecting and putting it together, but the question I'll have for my kids is... who the 17 are they going to put on their shelves in 15 years?
Maybe for you, but ratings, interest and excitement are up biggly, and the playoffs haven't even started yet. I love it! Our program is down, but it has little to do with NIL/Portal.
Our legendary coach unexpectedly died and that cascaded into some very poor decisions that put us in this situation. Had Mike not died, 2023 would have 8 or 9 win season and 2024 would we'd been bowl eligible at worse.
With or without the portal/NIL we'd be in this same situation after Mike's death, if Keenum made the same decisions.
Want to blame someone, two choices, Mike's doctor or Keenum. It's possible that Mike, like me, didn't go to doctors and/or ingnored medical advice.. If that's the case, Keenum gets all the blame.
This is a good point. In a good year we could out-muscle moat of the league under Mullen but could never get over the hump due to depth at Bama. This new era is hurting depth at the blue bloods, so might be something to exploit. The Relf/Fitz types are going to be a lot cheaper in the NIL world.