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I’m The Village Idiot said:
We have data about what champions look like. It looks nothing like what you imagine it to be. That said, we will add a couple of stud freshmen for sure but that’s not the only ingredient in the cake.
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History has already shown that the philosophy of being freshman heavy doesn't yield championships. We had a ton of NBA guys come through here during the Cal years and we have one championship in 15 years.

Duke is the only other team to win a title using that method. BBN wanted Cal out of here because that system was antiquated. Now 4 games into season 2 we want to ditch the new system for the old failed system.

Florida won a title without any guys ranked in the top 50. They won because Golden is a good coach, can spot and develope talent and has a good system that favors roster continuity.

Pope has shown he can develope talent because Amari and Koby weren't on any draft boards when they committed to us. They got drafted because they worked hard and Pope coached them up and improved their game.

We need to face reality and accept that most top fifteen recruits probably won't want to commit here. They want to play a year and go pro. They want to be assured they are getting tons of minutes to showcase themselves.

They won' t want to share minutes with 9 other guys. Money and guranteed minutes are the only reason Rippey is considering NC State.

We are 4 games into the second season so to claim that Pope isnt the guy is ridiculous. We hadn't sniffed a Sweet 16 since 2019 and Pope got us there year one with a hastily put together team and a ton of injuries. He earned some trust in my opinion.

Reality is Pope finishes his contract out unless there is some kind of big scandal or he puts up a 9 win season like Cal.

Pope was the captain of one of the best college teams of all time and he played a number of years in the NBA. He knows what it takes to excel at a high level.Let's give the guy some time to implement his system and develope players like we used to do.


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And? If a team wins a title this year with a bunch of OAD rather than returnees, you can come on here and let me know that the number is now higher than 0.05%. Until then, it’s “muh feelings”.
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I’m The Village Idiot said:
You know, and I mean this with 100% sincerity: If the data showed that landing the top 5 HS players meant a hill of beans, I’d do a complete 180 and I change my mind tomorrow. Really, I’m willing to debate topics like this for a clear reason —- I don’t want to die before seeing us pass UCLA. That’s what it’s all about for me. Period.

I don’t give a damn who the coach is or how it’s done, as long as they can make that happen. To me, Pope looks like he knows the formula. Can he bake the cake? I’m ready to watch the man cook and see how it tastes.
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Im with ya bro.
 
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FLBBNFAN said:
History has already shown that the philosophy of being freshman heavy doesn't yield championships. We had a ton of NBA guys come through here during the Cal years and we have one championship in 15 years.

Duke is the only other team to win a title using that method. BBN wanted Cal out of here because that system was antiquated. Now 4 games into season 2 we want to ditch the new system for the old failed system.

Florida won a title without any guys ranked in the top 50. They won because Golden is a good coach, can spot and develope talent and has a good system that favors roster continuity.

Pope has shown he can develope talent because Amari and Koby weren't on any draft boards when they committed to us. They got drafted because they worked hard and Pope coached them up and improved their game.

We need to face reality and accept that most top fifteen recruits probably won't want to commit here. They want to play a year and go pro. They want to be assured they are getting tons of minutes to showcase themselves.

They won' t want to share minutes with 9 other guys. Money and guranteed minutes are the only reason Rippey is considering NC State.

We are 4 games into the second season so to claim that Pope isnt the guy is ridiculous. We hadn't sniffed a Sweet 16 since 2019 and Pope got us there year one with a hastily put together team and a ton of injuries. He earned some trust in my opinion.

Reality is Pope finishes his contract out unless there is some kind of big scandal or he puts up a 9 win season like Cal.

Pope was the captain of one of the best college teams of all time and he played a number of years in the NBA. He knows what it takes to excel at a high level.Let's give the guy some time to implement his system and develope players like we used to do.
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Couldn’t agree more, my bro
 
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I’m The Village Idiot said:
You know, and I mean this with 100% sincerity: If the data showed that landing the top 5 HS players meant a hill of beans, I’d do a complete 180 and I change my mind tomorrow. Really, I’m willing to debate topics like this for a clear reason —- I don’t want to die before seeing us pass UCLA. That’s what it’s all about for me. Period.

I don’t give a damn who the coach is or how it’s done, as long as they can make that happen. To me, Pope looks like he knows the formula. Can he bake the cake? I’m ready to watch the man cook and see how it tastes.
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@UKortho You’re welcome to step into the debate arena and take the next shellacking if you want lol. I’m giving out a$$ kickings and you’re invited too 😂
 
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FLBBNFAN said:
History has already shown that the philosophy of being freshman heavy doesn't yield championships. We had a ton of NBA guys come through here during the Cal years and we have one championship in 15 years.

Duke is the only other team to win a title using that method. BBN wanted Cal out of here because that system was antiquated. Now 4 games into season 2 we want to ditch the new system for the old failed system.

Florida won a title without any guys ranked in the top 50. They won because Golden is a good coach, can spot and develope talent and has a good system that favors roster continuity.

Pope has shown he can develope talent because Amari and Koby weren't on any draft boards when they committed to us. They got drafted because they worked hard and Pope coached them up and improved their game.

We need to face reality and accept that most top fifteen recruits probably won't want to commit here. They want to play a year and go pro. They want to be assured they are getting tons of minutes to showcase themselves.

They won' t want to share minutes with 9 other guys. Money and guranteed minutes are the only reason Rippey is considering NC State.

We are 4 games into the second season so to claim that Pope isnt the guy is ridiculous. We hadn't sniffed a Sweet 16 since 2019 and Pope got us there year one with a hastily put together team and a ton of injuries. He earned some trust in my opinion.

Reality is Pope finishes his contract out unless there is some kind of big scandal or he puts up a 9 win season like Cal.

Pope was the captain of one of the best college teams of all time and he played a number of years in the NBA. He knows what it takes to excel at a high level.Let's give the guy some time to implement his system and develope players like we used to do.
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After the platoon team, Cal said he wouldn't do that again and he didn't. But he did a great job of telling his players the truth...and selling them on it. That it's not about the minutes, but the efficiency, or what you do with your minutes. Now, can you do as much with you minutes when your fatigued as you can fresh, or not? The simple and honest answer is that nobody can do that consistently and the league knows this stuff. I get it a little bit...mostly ego shat...but the stats don't back up the minutes played equating to better performance on the court. AD didn't even get all that many minutes. I forget the exact numbers but Cal proved that it didn't matter. Nonetheless, Cal said he wouldn't fight that battle again, likely for the minutes arguments with players and recruits. I think Pope is fighting the same fight right now but I support it and if a player doesn't come here because he's too dumb to see the same thing, I support Pope moving to the next piece because in the end, it still takes talent to play at this level but it also takes heart and something between your ears that not all HS superstars have or will understand until it's too late.
 
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Retaining five star freshman and rolling with them as sophomores is the key but you have to sign those studs first. Also have some portal guys mixed with them is big.
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Anon1679859502 said:
Retaining five star freshman and rolling with them as sophomores is the key but you have to sign those studs first. Also have some portal guys mixed with them is big.
Coaching matters
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Auburn didn't do it your way last year and they were arguably the best team in the country all year long. Ships matter but those take everything, including luck and stars all aligning. It's not all about freshmen any more. Cal is gone and so is his old style or playing and recruiting while here.
 
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Anon1679859502 said:
Retaining five star freshman and rolling with them as sophomores is the key but you have to sign those studs first. Also have some portal guys mixed with them is big.
Coaching matters
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The key to what? What team are you referring to as an example? A lot 5 star freshman go pro and you don’t get them for year two. That’s the tightrope issue.
 
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GoAndRunIsGoneAndDone said:
After the platoon team, Cal said he wouldn't do that again and he didn't. But he did a great job of telling his players the truth...and selling them on it. That it's not about the minutes, but the efficiency, or what you do with your minutes. Now, can you do as much with you minutes when your fatigued as you can fresh, or not? The simple and honest answer is that nobody can do that consistently and the league knows this stuff. I get it a little bit...mostly ego shat...but the stats don't back up the minutes played equating to better performance on the court. AD didn't even get all that many minutes. I forget the exact numbers but Cal proved that it didn't matter. Nonetheless, Cal said he wouldn't fight that battle again, likely for the minutes arguments with players and recruits. I think Pope is fighting the same fight right now but I support it and if a player doesn't come here because he's too dumb to see the I agreesame thing, I support Pope moving to the next piece because in the end, it still takes talent to play at this level but it also takes heart and something between your ears that not all HS superstars have or will understand until it's too late.
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I agree with your thoughts and I was trying to convey as you stated that a lot of these recruits dont understand that you can showcase yourself and get drafted playing only 20 minutes a game. The normal mindset of recruits dont seem to grasp or care about that possibility so it'sa uphill battlein my opinion. No way NC State even sniffs Rippey without $ and guaranteed time. Kinney said he was told by l Self that he would be the man at PG next year .

Our 96 team had a ton of guys drafted and Pitino played a heavy rotation. I think some guys will get that. Im also ok with us getting 4* guys and developing them into 5* . There are only so many impact freshman per year.

I want our guys to play at the next level but as a fan that is not my priority. Chasing banners is my goal and you dont need a team full of 5* to do that in college.
 
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UKortho said:
There is another one for you. Have a good one yourself.
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The problem isn’t that Pope is “getting his guys for his system” the problem is despite having one of the largest NILs in college basketball, the results are less than stellar. As it stands Pope is paying more for less and that is on Pope and his staff. That shouldn’t be acceptable at all school like Kentucky.

If he wants to get “his kind of players” he doesn’t need to be spending $20+ million a year.
 
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One2Three said:
The problem isn’t that Pope is “getting his guys for his system” the problem is despite having one of the largest NILs in college basketball, the results are less than stellar. As it stands Pope is paying more for less and that is on Pope and his staff. That shouldn’t be acceptable at all school like Kentucky.

If he wants to get “his kind of players” he doesn’t need to be spending $20+ million a year.
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Bro, you’re talking like we have this massive pool of data to say that. We are three games into year two. Can you at least wait until the first lap of the Daytona 500 completes before you call the race?
 
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I honestly bought into the hype of the BYU offense coach coming to UK, thinking we'd suddenly turn into the Pitino Cats with movement everywhere. Instead, last year turned into Amari becoming a point-center and the same damn play running all the time. Pope's analyzing all this, figuring it out, but seemingly not using his staff. Teach the guys how to run a damn offense, and THEN analyze who fits where.
 
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