I think the academic snobbery of the cal and Stanford types makes it difficult.
Colorado About To Defect Back To The Big 12
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Fit? Potential is what should matter most. B12 schools weren't a good fit either and where are they now and where is the PAC? They can't afford to be snooty if they want to keep a somewhat stable athletic conference. Who exactly are they going to add instead? What happens when Oregon/Washington or whomever leave to the B10, even if it's not now it most likely will happen somewhere in the future. Want to prepared for it now or scrambling when it happens.
edit: A combo of MWC/AAC schools (SMU? UTSA?) is fine too but they need numbers because they will likely lose more in the future. Buttress yourself for that eventuality.
It's not just Cal and Stanford. Washington and Oregon also think of themselves as better.
Everything you say is true -- but they might be snooty anyway. Almost everyone has a good chance of jumping elsewhere -- Cal is in the worst position.
I edited my post above, AAC schools in combo with MWC would work too. SMU, UTSA whatever but they need numbers for the eventuality that they will lose schools somewhere down the line.
If the PAC can last 13 years until the ACC grant of rights ends, the scraps of both conferences can get together and have an east and west division.
There is now a report that Oregon and Washington are meeting tonight with the Big 12 to discuss their joining. One would think they would wait for a Big 10 invitation, but maybe they think that's not forthcoming. That would leave Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State in the Pac-whatever, and I doubt that would be a stable combination. The Arizona schools and Utah would want to jump to the Big 12, and the Mountain West Conference would be a good landing spot for Oregon State and Washington State. That leaves Cal and Stanford, which would have to pray the Big Ten would rescue them.
It could be a leverage play to get the B10 to move. Also the B12’s GOR is 6 years or so and lined up with the new tv deal so that could always be another time to get them if you’re the B10.
But who knows what could happen in 6 years and what can change. I tend to think the table would still be set for them at that time but unexpected things can always happen and the leverage you have over them might not be the same as it is now as well.
Exactly. Oregon/Washington might be trying to bait the B1G into a move with a threat to join the Big 12.
Perhaps I'm cynical, but I really can't see the Big Ten being swayed by that threat.
Agreed. B1G will call their bluff.
These new world conferences are really looking unwatchable.
Happily this will save money in the long run when I stop caring about CFB and ditch the expensive streaming package for good. Not real fired up for a weekend of SDSU vs. KU and Oregon State vs. Nevada-type games.
Happily this will save money in the long run when I stop caring about CFB and ditch the expensive streaming package for good. Not real fired up for a weekend of SDSU vs. KU and Oregon State vs. Nevada-type games.
They should tell Oregon and Washington that they are invited to the B1G, but only for the $40 million a year the B12 is paying.
So the acc and the b12 will simply be the conferences whose members could not join the sec or b1g. The pac will be nothing more than either a memory or no longer p5…sad all around.
1-3 schools looking to the Pac-12 first? Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State. That would make the Pac-whatever a conference from the Bay Area north.
There's no way that the B1G passes on the prestige of America's top public university (Cal) or best D1-level private institution (Stanford). Remember, in the end, it's academia that renders these decisions. Those in charge want to be associated with Berkeley, not UCF, and Stanford, not BYU, let alone correspondence schools like Boise State.
My guess is that the B1G quickly takes Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington to get them off the board, even if all are required to buy-in to the conference, as we did for years. To further speculate, once it gets closer to the ACC grant-of-rights winding-down (or should it be, otherwise, broken), I expect that the B1G will target logical current ACC members, such as UVA, UNC. GT and newly-admitted AAU member, Miami.
In the end, the B1G's college sports "angle" is to control a sufficient percentage interest of AAU members as a priority, not an afterthought. The SEC will always play better football. But, the effort of the B1G's member institutions in combining academic integrity of collegiate institutions with athletic success will promote them to higher levels of achievement--across the board.
My guess is that the B1G quickly takes Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington to get them off the board, even if all are required to buy-in to the conference, as we did for years. To further speculate, once it gets closer to the ACC grant-of-rights winding-down (or should it be, otherwise, broken), I expect that the B1G will target logical current ACC members, such as UVA, UNC. GT and newly-admitted AAU member, Miami.
In the end, the B1G's college sports "angle" is to control a sufficient percentage interest of AAU members as a priority, not an afterthought. The SEC will always play better football. But, the effort of the B1G's member institutions in combining academic integrity of collegiate institutions with athletic success will promote them to higher levels of achievement--across the board.
I'm not sure that the Big Ten's members are as interested in higher levels of achievement as in higher levels of money. I doubt that many Big Ten members would agree to taking any new members if that means a reduced payout for each existing member. I'm not saying that's good -- just how the world works.
I don’t know Stugotz about all of this. And this is probably BS.
But anyone think Tulane has a chance to sneak into the B12?
-Good FB Program
-Good baseball program
-AAU school (I know it’s the B12 but still)
-NOLA/ Louisiana area.
But anyone think Tulane has a chance to sneak into the B12?
-Good FB Program
-Good baseball program
-AAU school (I know it’s the B12 but still)
-NOLA/ Louisiana area.
Headline this morning from The Athletic:
In UConn, Yormark sees something that other Big 12 leaders don’t. They think football first and have their doubts that UConn football can become relevant. The recent track record — 27-83 since 2013 — is hard to ignore. They see the success in men’s and women’s basketball as undeniably attractive, but it’s less easy to get them to buy the pitch that UConn adds value for this league, in part because these presidents, chancellors and ADs have spent the past year locked in on trying to land Power 5 football schools.
But Yormark sees an entry point into New York City. He sees a dominant basketball conference and big-time events at Madison Square Garden. He sees a future in which the Big 12 makes more money down the road by decoupling its media rights package and selling its basketball rights separately. Conference sources say he sees a sort of buy-low opportunity here, a bet that the Big 12 investing in UConn over the rest of the decade will drive up the conference’s value. For him, there’s no hesitation. There’s real conviction.
After Big 12 adds Colorado, what’s next? Pac-12 schools targets, but don’t sleep on UConn
If Colorado is the only Pac-12 member coming in, don’t be surprised if Yormark goes all-in on UConn. All the political capital he’s gaining in the eyes of his league presidents, chancellors and ADs from pulling off this Colorado move? Conference sources believe that’s where he wants to spend it.In UConn, Yormark sees something that other Big 12 leaders don’t. They think football first and have their doubts that UConn football can become relevant. The recent track record — 27-83 since 2013 — is hard to ignore. They see the success in men’s and women’s basketball as undeniably attractive, but it’s less easy to get them to buy the pitch that UConn adds value for this league, in part because these presidents, chancellors and ADs have spent the past year locked in on trying to land Power 5 football schools.
But Yormark sees an entry point into New York City. He sees a dominant basketball conference and big-time events at Madison Square Garden. He sees a future in which the Big 12 makes more money down the road by decoupling its media rights package and selling its basketball rights separately. Conference sources say he sees a sort of buy-low opportunity here, a bet that the Big 12 investing in UConn over the rest of the decade will drive up the conference’s value. For him, there’s no hesitation. There’s real conviction.
decoupling an asset is what is killing the ACC so Yormak needs to rethink this imho
this thread is hysterical with some of the conjecture
I think the Big Ten does strongly consider academic prestige, Nebraska being the exception, but they had a remarkable footballl brand at the time. I like the idea of taking Stanford and Cal, giving us far and away the most prestigious academic conference that plays big time sports. Those schools also have international reputations, so that provides more global exposure. It also locks down the San Francisco media market, and frankly moat of the west coast. Next to Notre Dame, who is not going to join a conference, that would be our best choice.
Not sure about that...a bird in the hand. UO and UW may jump on the first lifeboat and join a conference which will surely require massive exit fees.
I agree the Big Ten genuinely cares about academic prestige. But I think that in the last analysis the Big Ten will ask itself, "what is the most profitable strategy for the long run?" The members might be willing to take a reduced payout now if (and it's a big if) they can be convinced it will bring a big payoff later. One factor here is that cable carriage fees are becoming less important as a revenue source as cable systems fade -- but it is not at all clear (at least to me) what will take their place.
No was just posting that CW has acquired another sports property and it could be a possible destination for some PAC games.