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yesrutgers01

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I don't look FOR positives or negatives - things are what they are and I try to stay clinical.
I played in HS and college and I can tell things about teams in the first minutes
Wimsatt looked ok and some of the fellas made some nice plays.
But truth is Northwestern is a hideous team who probably loses every game in 23.
While a win is positive its not really a measure of anything
Some NW players and coaches hate colleges admins so much they hardly want to win for them.
Few cfb teamsever get as toxic and tortured as NW is at the moment

RU ball has been bad for along time now and I don't listen to Schiano anymore.
He's been complaining about RU's lack of red zone offense for 20 years
I want to stop playing Butch Davis ball (Miami ) from the 1990s.
Depth is always a problem for RU and when a good player goes down (like Crook) the season is basically over.
VT was awful last year so probably not until Michigan will we know if RU is ok.
Players can be upset with whoever they want to be upset with but there is one thing anyone that played at this level knows- you step on the field and you are giving it your all. And that is true in football more than any other major sport as you can really get F-ed up if you are playing half assed. The other side of it- the starters on any P5 team are looking at NFL- the backups are looking at starting so they can look at the NFL. None of them are giving up their dream because that hate the admins. Hell- in GS 1.0- so many players hted his *** so much they wanted to win and be great just to spite his ***.
Actually , I don’t care that you played in high school and college. Clinical? See you reveal yourself quite well. Butch Davis … and dislike for Schiano tells me and others you are only here to rag on Rutgers. Here’s one thing you forget to mention about Schiano . He’s been in many top positions and at many schools . You know the schools and positions he’s had. You also know the other schools who offered him jobs. They’re either all stupid or Schiano brings something they find desirable. Meanwhile champ you’re posting on a sports board. With your experience and cache you should be coaching at D1. I doubt that is in your wheelhouse. Go find another team to rag on . That’s all you do here is post how bad Rutger’s has been find another board.
Yeah- I don't understand so many posters just finding ways to rag on a 24-7 win that wasn't even as close as the score.
 

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This thread is very silly and I cant believe I wasted my time reading all the responses.

Rutgers:

1. Dominated a B1G game and actually won!
2. Did it at home for us to witness!!!
3. Held a B1G team to TWELVE rushing yards
4. Sacked the QB five times
5. Had a shutout going late into the game
6. Had a QB that looked more decisive/confident and didnt 💩the bed.

When was the last time Rutgers accomplished all the above in one game? In one season? I don't care who the opponent was. Relish the victory. On to Temple.
 

ashokan

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Players can be upset with whoever they want to be upset with but there is one thing anyone that played at this level knows- you step on the field and you are giving it your all. And that is true in football more than any other major sport as you can really get F-ed up if you are playing half assed. The other side of it- the starters on any P5 team are looking at NFL- the backups are looking at starting so they can look at the NFL. None of them are giving up their dream because that hate the admins. Hell- in GS 1.0- so many players hted his *** so much they wanted to win and be great just to spite his ***.

Yeah- I don't understand so many posters just finding ways to rag on a 24-7 win that wasn't even as close as the score.

I agree with half of that - you can get jacked-up if you aren't focused in the game.
But there are players who dont give their all.
You can see when OL are putting that extra spice into finishing their blocks to the end.
That's one of those things I sense early in a team - are they doing the basic or adding the extra sauce?
Are they doing the minimum or are they "throwing the switch" (players know that one) to let inner Viking out?
I had one RB fumble on purpose in a last game of season because he was angry about only being put in late.
I had a parking lot fight with him after the game.

Plus - a lot of wins come during the week.
Players have to prep with film, meetings, quizzed etc.
If players aren't into all that then then it will show on Saturdays.
Games are really won M-F
 

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So….he over threw a receiver . Well good golly miss Molly. You do understand that does happen even to QB’s like a Mahomes, Brady etc.
Jeez was just pointing out missed a big throw with guy open in the end zone.

Vs a team that's not as horrific as NW vs (dog vs UTEP next week lol) would be a big deal.
 

RUBOB72

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Jeez was just pointing out missed a big throw with guy open in the end zone.

Vs a team that's not as horrific as NW vs (dog vs UTEP next week lol) would be a big deal.
Here’s the point why even mention that at all. I realize only one game but Gavin did play solid. Hopefully this team over the next several seasons will be able to satisfy all our fans wishes by becoming better than average.
 

yesrutgers01

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I agree with half of that - you can get jacked-up if you aren't focused in the game.
But there are players who dont give their all.
You can see when OL are putting that extra spice into finishing their blocks to the end.
That's one of those things I sense early in a team - are they doing the basic or adding the extra sauce?
Are they doing the minimum or are they "throwing the switch" (players know that one) to let inner Viking out?
I had one RB fumble on purpose in a last game of season because he was angry about only being put in late.
I had a parking lot fight with him after the game.

Plus - a lot of wins come during the week.
Players have to prep with film, meetings, quizzed etc.
If players aren't into all that then then it will show on Saturdays.
Games are really won M-F
Ok- I can agree with much of that. It’s funny as it reminds me of my favorite OL days of 05-09…
So many times, plays were ending and I’m watching AD throwing himself into the pile and always surprised he wasn’t flagged.
But to the point- kid hating his coach but his switch was always on.
And those lines were always finishing their blocks. When our son was done and being “shopped”?to the NFL- there was a stat I never even knew existed. Forget what it was called but something to the effect of critical blocks downfield. I think it amounted to a block by OL critical to a play that happens 10 or more yards away from where the player was at the snap. Kevin was rated number 1 in the country and AD was number 3.
 
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RUTGERS95

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Actually , I don’t care that you played in high school and college. Clinical? See you reveal yourself quite well. Butch Davis … and dislike for Schiano tells me and others you are only here to rag on Rutgers. Here’s one thing you forget to mention about Schiano . He’s been in many top positions and at many schools . You know the schools and positions he’s had. You also know the other schools who offered him jobs. They’re either all stupid or Schiano brings something they find desirable. Meanwhile champ you’re posting on a sports board. With your experience and cache you should be coaching at D1. I doubt that is in your wheelhouse. Go find another team to rag on . That’s all you do here is post how bad Rutger’s has been find another board.
careful, since he had any real responsibility, the only place he wasn't shitcanned or asked to leave/not renewed was here

he's not shitting on RU, he's offering some much needed balance and insight to guys like you that don't see any issues. What he said is spot on, NW sucks and sucks majorly. Let's see how we fair after week 4 before proclaiming anything give Greg went back into his shell for the 2nd half
 
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careful, since he had any real responsibility, the only place he wasn't shitcanned or asked to leave/not renewed was here

he's not shitting on RU, he's offering some much needed balance and insight to guys like you that don't see any issues. What he said is spot on, NW sucks and sucks majorly. Let's see how we fair after week 4 before proclaiming anything give Greg went back into his shell for the 2nd half
We all see the issues. Many here have some sports background or have coached and played even if only in high school.we have several who go out of their way to crap on Rutgers and especially this HC. Goes back to when he was hired at age 32 by Bob M. Did he micro manage… was he tough … did some players hate him? Sure no different than at other schools with more cred. We’ll know soon enough. By we have now began seeing some very good talent perhaps only 3* but being trained well.
 

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Typical comments by the PTSD wing of the RU football fanbase! Instead of focusing or pointing out positives, the primary focus is what Gavin and the team did not do perfectly.

I completely understand that it is difficult to be overly optimistic following 1 game due to past history, recent and long-term, but giving an honest post game assessment of the performance of Gavin and the team overall should not be so problematic.

17 - 29 for 163 passing yards, 1 TD pass, 33 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD, and zero (0) INT's is a solid (not perfect) performance for any young QB in the first game of the season, against any B1G opponent. I believe he and the team will continue to improve but only time will tell. Nevertheless, no one can reasonably argue this was not a good and promising start.
 
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RUTGERS95

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We all see the issues. Many here have some sports background or have coached and played even if only in high school.we have several who go out of their way to crap on Rutgers and especially this HC. Goes back to when he was hired at age 32 by Bob M. Did he micro manage… was he tough … did some players hate him? Sure no different than at other schools with more cred. We’ll know soon enough. By we have now began seeing some very good talent perhaps only 3* but being trained well.
you're kind of all over the place here

you need to keep your emotions in check and tackle each thing that is upsetting one at a time

no one is crapping on Rutgers, the game, the expectations, the importance has changed and you either get it or you don't. I would hope we all are RU fans before Greg fans which is really where the two camps are positioned. If you're not an RU fan first, fk u is what I say. We don't need Greg fans, we need RU fans

you need to be able to understand that
 
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yesrutgers01

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you're kind of all over the place here

you need to keep your emotions in check and tackle each thing that is upsetting one at a time

no one is crapping on Rutgers, the game, the expectations, the importance has changed and you either get it or you don't. I would hope we all are RU fans before Greg fans which is really where the two camps are positioned. If you're not an RU fan first, fk u is what I say. We don't need Greg fans, we need RU fans

you need to be able to understand that
We agree but there is a faction that are more of a hate Greg than being a RU fan.
As long as GS is Head coach- they will **** of everything until we are ranked and my gut tells me, they will still find a way.
It is a small but vocal group and a couple that are trolls.
 

Knight Shift

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We agree but there is a faction that are more of a hate Greg than being a RU fan.
As long as GS is Head coach- they will **** of everything until we are ranked and my gut tells me, they will still find a way.
It is a small but vocal group and a couple that are trolls.
And if and when RU does get ranked, they will complain it took to long to be ranked and that other coaches could have done it better and quicker.
 

RUTGERS95

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We agree but there is a faction that are more of a hate Greg than being a RU fan.
As long as GS is Head coach- they will **** of everything until we are ranked and my gut tells me, they will still find a way.
It is a small but vocal group and a couple that are trolls.
perhaps but the flip side is that there is a faction that Greg or bust, RU be damned.

middle ground in important

I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was out coach as long as he/she reps the school well and provides wins
 
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Actually , I don’t care that you played in high school and college. Clinical? See you reveal yourself quite well. Butch Davis … and dislike for Schiano tells me and others you are only here to rag on Rutgers. Here’s one thing you forget to mention about Schiano . He’s been in many top positions and at many schools . You know the schools and positions he’s had. You also know the other schools who offered him jobs. They’re either all stupid or Schiano brings something they find desirable. Meanwhile champ you’re posting on a sports board. With your experience and cache you should be coaching at D1. I doubt that is in your wheelhouse. Go find another team to rag on . That’s all you do here is post how bad Rutger’s has been find another board.
Bobby...I've read a thousand times that Schiano was offered the Michigan and Miami job. I call bs. Credible source ? His agent ? Him ? Offers aren't typically made, or at least publicized, until agreements are reached. What I do know for sure is that he's been a football pariah since leaving here and Hobbs signed him for far more than justified or necessary since he had no other interest.
 
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RUTGERS95

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Bobby...I've read a thousand times that Schiano was offered the Michigan and Miami job. I call bs. Credible source ? His agent ? Him ? Offers aren't typically made, or at least publicized, until agreements are reached. What I do know for sure is that he's been a football pariah since leaving here and Hobbs signed him for far more than justified or necessary since he had no other interest.
he never was, he was never officially offered
 

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The TD to the corner was nice - and safe
Sunday was not the first time I saw Wimsat throw.
On his long throws he has been lofty in the past and thats not a trivial issues when against B1G secondaries.
Sunday's offense was pretty moderated - probably for some good reasons as well as Schiano's constant pearl clutching over potential mistakes.
That offense wont go far when the boss teams show-up



"Ball control is as B1G as it gets. Rutgers, though, would like to flash more quick-strike capability. Rutgers’s longest pass play was for 20 yards, with the longest run going for just 15 yards."


We are not ready for the big boys yet so why worry about it. We need to win the winnable games on the schedule for now. We had northwestern beat into submission after two drives so at that point we shut things down because we could.
 

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Doubt they open the playbook to let his legs do some damage vs Temple, maybe vs Vatech
 
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Were BC and Temple weaker than Northwestern ? Doubtful. Northwestern 1-8 in conference last two years and 1-11 & 3-9 overall.

One game isn't a trend. I hope he's much improved over last year but we have to see more against decent teams.

Again, Sunday's performance doesn't change the season outlook.

Many people (I would argue the majority) feel better about the season after Sunday.

Gavin looked better at the most important position on the field.

We weren’t subbing in three QB’s in a single drive.

The head scratching penalties disappeared.

We are healthier, although still dinged up in areas

We disposed of a bad P5 team in about two drives when last year even BC was a nailbiter.
 

BillyC80

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Gavin went into battle without two key RBs and arguably one key WR that they had anticipated would be on the field.

That said he completed passes to 8 different receivers, had positive rushing yards of his own, ran the mesh play well enough to get us a decent gain, and threw for one TD and ran for another, with no turnovers..

All in all a good day’s work and something to build on.
 

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you're kind of all over the place here

you need to keep your emotions in check and tackle each thing that is upsetting one at a time

no one is crapping on Rutgers, the game, the expectations, the importance has changed and you either get it or you don't. I would hope we all are RU fans before Greg fans which is really where the two camps are positioned. If you're not an RU fan first, fk u is what I say. We don't need Greg fans, we need RU fans

you need to be able to understand that
My emotions ? Sorry you disapprove but listen clearly chump go lecture your kids.I support Schiano even though there have been too many times where you say WTF. As for not thinking posters here ( claiming Rutgers ) don’t crap on us take that belief and stuff it sideways. I have said criticism when warranted but we played a solid game with a possible look down the road. Now if you’re not one of those negatoids … great … if you think you are you are sadly out of touch.
you're kind of all over the place here

you need to keep your emotions in check and tackle each thing that is upsetting one at a time

no one is crapping on Rutgers, the game, the expectations, the importance has changed and you either get it or you don't. I would hope we all are RU fans before Greg fans which is really where the two camps are positioned. If you're not an RU fan first, fk u is what I say. We don't need Greg fans, we need RU fans

you need to be able to understand that
No you need to understand one important fact . I go to my own drumbeat. You should mind your own business.
 
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you're kind of all over the place here

you need to keep your emotions in check and tackle each thing that is upsetting one at a time

no one is crapping on Rutgers, the game, the expectations, the importance has changed and you either get it or you don't. I would hope we all are RU fans before Greg fans which is really where the two camps are positioned. If you're not an RU fan first, fk u is what I say. We don't need Greg fans, we need RU fans

you need to be able to understand that
perhaps but the flip side is that there is a faction that Greg or bust, RU be damned.

middle ground in important

I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was out coach as long as he/she reps the school well and provides wins
So how did Schiano and staff do Saturday? Didn’t see your critique of their performance. Should be amazing to see. But as usual you were quiet for some reason?
 

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So how did Schiano and staff do Saturday? Didn’t see your critique of their performance. Should be amazing to see. But as usual you were quiet for some reason?
oh I said plenty and you can read all you want there but as I said, you need to learn how to control your emotions. you come across like a 13yr old girl who got her period while trying to get knocked up by mother's boyfriend
 

RUBOB72

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perhaps but the flip side is that there is a faction that Greg or bust, RU be damned.

middle ground in important

I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was out coach as long as he/she reps the school well and provides wins
No it’s Rutgers people for a large majority want him to succeed once again. It is quite evident you and several others don’t going back to when he initially was Mulcahy’s choice.
 

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oh I said plenty and you can read all you want there but as I said, you need to learn how to control your emotions. you come across like a 13yr old girl who got her period while trying to get knocked up by mother's boyfriend
Emotions have nothing to do with this. You need to grow up and realize he is here for at least another 2-3 years. Well just by that comment alone anyone should realize you’re a sick boy. Especially those who have younger daughters , wives and mothers. Nice the ignore button works … for everyone.
 

RUTGERS95

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Emotions have nothing to do with this. You need to grow up and realize he is here for at least another 2-3 years. Well just by that comment alone anyone should realize you’re a sick boy. Especially those who have younger daughters , wives and mothers. Nice the ignore button works … for everyone.
you just need to grow up or find wider tampons
 

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Were BC and Temple weaker than Northwestern ? Doubtful. Northwestern 1-8 in conference last two years and 1-11 & 3-9 overall.

One game isn't a trend. I hope he's much improved over last year but we have to see more against decent teams.

Again, Sunday's performance doesn't change the season outlook.

All I know is your quite literally rooting to be able to prove this. Your hoping UTEP beats NW 52-0 so you can jump in about how we’re worse than a crappy UTEP team that put up more points than we did against NW.

The bottom line though is it won’t even mean anything if that happens because the scoreboard doesn’t tell the story. All it says is that our staff chose to play it safe in a game that was never remotely in doubt.

Your precious pet Leipold was in a dog fight with an FCS team until after halftime despite what the final scoreboard reflects. If that’s how our game went down, all you would be talking about is the first half and you know it.
 

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All I know is your quite literally rooting to be able to prove this. Your hoping UTEP beats NW 52-0 so you can jump in about how we’re worse than a crappy UTEP team that put up more points than we did against NW.

The bottom line though is it won’t even mean anything if that happens because the scoreboard doesn’t tell the story. All it says is that our staff chose to play it safe in a game that was never remotely in doubt.

Your precious pet Leipold was in a dog fight with an FCS team until after halftime despite what the final scoreboard reflects. If that’s how our game went down, all you would be talking about is the first half and you know it.
Not true....I want the team to be competitive in the conference so I can travel to see it in bowl games every year. I just don't think Schiano is capable of that, which is why I hope they fire him as soon as they can.

The next guy might not be better, and if not I'd want him fired too.
I have no allegiance to our coaches, but allegiance to the program instead
 

yesrutgers01

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Not true....I want the team to be competitive in the conference so I can travel to see it in bowl games every year. I just don't think Schiano is capable of that, which is why I hope they fire him as soon as they can.

The next guy might not be better, and if not I'd want him fired too.
I have no allegiance to our coaches, but allegiance to the program instead
The problem is- you don't want Schiano to be the guy to be successful either. And who do you want to be HC up north for your team?

Anyway- I don't feel Greg is the guy who will get us beyond a 6-7 win team and become a team associated with winning and have a shot at a Conf title much less playoff.
But I also hope I am wrong. I also don't give him past this year in my mind.
Even if it ends up 4 wins- if we are competitive against the elites and show a real progress on offense, I am ok with hoping he may be able to do it. But to me- he is still on a short leash and if he gets an extension with less than 8 wins or back to back bowls- then I will be very pissed and just ready to give up.
But until then, please have GS prove me wrong and bring us to greatness
 

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Actually I do want him to be successful but I think it’s too late. Excuses aren’t valid anymore.

If he does turn things around that’s a faster path than starting over, but highly unlikely.

If he had a five year contract we could start over in 1 year instead of 4.
 

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Why do you take over every positive thread with your negative Cuse self? It is annoying as F

We were the worst passing team in the B1G last year and look how we did. We are not trying to say how he did against NWU moves the needle much for the final record but to downplay how much it is a positive, is just silly.

There were two major areas of improvement we needed to see to avoid a disaster of a season- QB/OL

Both obviously improved over last year and neither played poorly- even if against a bad P5 team. We see improvement and it gives us hope as fans because these are two areas that couldnt even hold their own against a bad G5 team last year.
Wow Shelby’s ignorant comments suprise people ? Where have you been ? He does the same clueless **** on the basketball boards where his takes are horrific.

Trying to look at Saturday objectively and claim it showed nothing is Shelby being clueless. We had a whole off season of Kyk and accuracy and now Shelby, there was nothing there.
First , his accuracy was much better not perfect but a lot better. Second , he went through his progressions on 2-3 plays which is more than 0 in his prior QB experience and hit for first downs doing so. Third, he showed off his arm strength with the one read outs to Washington and Long for first downs or 8-9 yards . Fourth, he stepped up in the pocket and avoided a sack a few times , which showed tremendous improvement and awareness . Fifth, showed some strength running and falling forward including the 2 yard QB sneak for a first down and the TD run. I personally believe Kirk did not have him run in the RPO when it appeared he had an open field so it was not on tape . Sixth, his throw to Dremel on 4th down going left and the TD throw to Strong are 2 of the best passes any QB will throw this year. Not better but just as good and placed only where the receiver could catch or drop it. Seventh , the command and poise to be in shotgun or under center and standing in shotgun for 5-10 seconds and not have 1 false start penalty was a tribute to him as well as the entire offensive line . It was pretty amazing.

The other narrative about Northwestern being terrible is a little overblown when speaking about their linebackers and secondary. One of the linebackers had 19 tackles and the other one was also all over the field. Their secondary and safeties hit hard and were close on a couple. Their back 7 , like many Northwestern teams , were still good defensively . SoGavin passing his first test against a Big 10 defense , despite the uninformed Shelby’s of the world , was pretty impressive.

Even more telling , is the difference from last year to this year or from spring to first game was quite noticeable and gives us hope for the rest of the games , where most of the fans thought we would be held back from showing progress despite a very respectable defense because of Gavin and the lack of offense. We get a few more weapons back offensively so that is good as well. The only impression one could have from Saturday is that Gavin with Kirk’s coaching has gotten better at almost everything. But don’t tell that to Shelby because he is clueless and would not understand.
 

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Exactly spot on about Northwestern. Defensively they were us last season. D line adequate against the run, LBers very good and the secondary more than competent. Their issue is on the O side of the ball. They will continue to be terrible as long as the offense underperforms.
 

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Also, gotta believe that going against our very good defense in practice had to help Gavin develop the poise he showed against NW.
 
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