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Not knowing who knew what and when they knew it, it's hard to be too over-the-top critical of tangential actors in the early days of covid. It was a weird time. The problem I have with the whole episode is sort of twofold. One is that from people who should have known better, a campaign of lies was perpetuated for a good length of time, as well as the "deplatforming" of people and de-licensing of clinical providers who reported factual information. Added to that is the reluctance in many governmental bodies to relinquish control of people's social interaction when it became obvious it was unnecessary. I think MAHA's/Kennedy's approach is pretty reasonable. Scale back the recommendation to receive it to only the most potentially vulnerable, while in parallel conducting legitimate safety trials on the substance(s). I don't know if sufficiently accurate epidemiological data was collected to either refute or validate claims of either efficacy of the shots or grave harm from them, but I'm sure there's something that can be done going forward to screen people who received the shots to determine if there's residual evidence of any ticking time bombs.

One interesting thing is that I spring for sort of a concierge functional medicine online service to get expanded blood work done beyond what your typical primary care doc will do. Starting this year they had you fill out a questionnaire that asked very specific questions about tyour covid vaccine history, which brands and how many shots/boosters received before sending authorization order to the lab. That makes me think they believe having been vaccinated is relevant to a person's health as indicated by biomarkers, and/or they are looking to compare populations of various covid shot status to see if there are significant differences. So I don't think it's a nothing burger, but I also don't think it's clear that the mRNA shots were poison either.
 

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Not knowing who knew what and when they knew it, it's hard to be too over-the-top critical of tangential actors in the early days of covid. It was a weird time. The problem I have with the whole episode is sort of twofold. One is that from people who should have known better, a campaign of lies was perpetuated for a good length of time, as well as the "deplatforming" of people and de-licensing of clinical providers who reported factual information. Added to that is the reluctance in many governmental bodies to relinquish control of people's social interaction when it became obvious it was unnecessary. I think MAHA's/Kennedy's approach is pretty reasonable. Scale back the recommendation to receive it to only the most potentially vulnerable, while in parallel conducting legitimate safety trials on the substance(s). I don't know if sufficiently accurate epidemiological data was collected to either refute or validate claims of either efficacy of the shots or grave harm from them, but I'm sure there's something that can be done going forward to screen people who received the shots to determine if there's residual evidence of any ticking time bombs.

One interesting thing is that I spring for sort of a concierge functional medicine online service to get expanded blood work done beyond what your typical primary care doc will do. Starting this year they had you fill out a questionnaire that asked very specific questions about tyour covid vaccine history, which brands and how many shots/boosters received before sending authorization order to the lab. That makes me think they believe having been vaccinated is relevant to a person's health as indicated by biomarkers, and/or they are looking to compare populations of various covid shot status to see if there are significant differences. So I don't think it's a nothing burger, but I also don't think it's clear that the mRNA shots were poison either.
Getting a thorough medical history is good practice on their part. They probably are using AI and will analyze every bit of your blood work to look for anomalies and their database will be full of the possibilities. Probably will uncover you eat too many cheeseburgers.
 

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Not knowing who knew what and when they knew it, it's hard to be too over-the-top critical of tangential actors in the early days of covid. It was a weird time. The problem I have with the whole episode is sort of twofold. One is that from people who should have known better, a campaign of lies was perpetuated for a good length of time, as well as the "deplatforming" of people and de-licensing of clinical providers who reported factual information. Added to that is the reluctance in many governmental bodies to relinquish control of people's social interaction when it became obvious it was unnecessary. I think MAHA's/Kennedy's approach is pretty reasonable. Scale back the recommendation to receive it to only the most potentially vulnerable, while in parallel conducting legitimate safety trials on the substance(s). I don't know if sufficiently accurate epidemiological data was collected to either refute or validate claims of either efficacy of the shots or grave harm from them, but I'm sure there's something that can be done going forward to screen people who received the shots to determine if there's residual evidence of any ticking time bombs.

One interesting thing is that I spring for sort of a concierge functional medicine online service to get expanded blood work done beyond what your typical primary care doc will do. Starting this year they had you fill out a questionnaire that asked very specific questions about tyour covid vaccine history, which brands and how many shots/boosters received before sending authorization order to the lab. That makes me think they believe having been vaccinated is relevant to a person's health as indicated by biomarkers, and/or they are looking to compare populations of various covid shot status to see if there are significant differences. So I don't think it's a nothing burger, but I also don't think it's clear that the mRNA shots were poison either.
The mRNA platform has risks just like all medications. It’s up to your provider to weigh the risks vs benefits. For some populations, the covid vaccines made sense. For many, they did not. They should never have been mandated.

It’s been 4 years now. You will only find one poster here that keeps this conversation alive and he has the most extreme views on it. He regularly insinuates other posters are going to drop dead and insults them for making a personal health decision. I have no idea why it’s continued to be allowed.
 

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The mRNA platform has risks just like all medications. It’s up to your provider to weigh the risks vs benefits. For some populations, the covid vaccines made sense. For many, they did not. They should never have been mandated.

It’s been 4 years now. You will only find one poster here that keeps this conversation alive and he has the most extreme views on it. He regularly insinuates other posters are going to drop dead and insults them for making a personal health decision. I have no idea why it’s continued to be allowed.
What consenting adults want to squabble over is between them. I'm pretty adept at skimming past things that don't interest me (i.e., employing the OG block button, lol). It doesn't matter to me what any individual says or how many people agree or don't.

I disagree that it's up to my provider to weigh the risks and benefits. Ultimately it's up to me to decide for or against some intervention (while taking any opinion they have under advisement). If for no other reason, it's because providers are under a lot of pressure to follow scripts, probably those set out by lawyers, and as we saw during covid they can be put under enormous pressure to stick to that script. I sympathize with them, and it's why I've opted to to take a much more proactive interest in my health which includes, as an example, that I went rogue and "outside the system" to gather additional information about the state of my health and continue to monitor it on a twice yearly basis.
 

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Getting a thorough medical history is good practice on their part. They probably are using AI and will analyze every bit of your blood work to look for anomalies and their database will be full of the possibilities. Probably will uncover you eat too many cheeseburgers.
Well, it was the buns and the fries and the sweets that came up as what I needed to stay away from per the AI assessment of my biomarkers. And it wasn't something I didn't already know. I was creeping steadily towards Type 2 diabetes and the related cluster of metabolic diseases, and I wanted to head that off before I became so bad off that there was nothing left to do but pop pills to manage increasing sickness. So far it's worked quite well.
 

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How can anyone possibly think that the worst part of Covid was the "forced vaccinations" when Covid involved (a) hundreds of thousands of premature deaths (yes, it was mostly elderly, but people who would have survived a not insignificant period of time longer) and (b) massive shutdowns of the economy and civil society.

Different political tribes put wildly different weights on (a) versus (b), but it seems impossible to think that both weren't far worse than "forced vaccinations" (btw, your parents probably forced some vaccinations on you long ago, you should thank them again).

Bottom line, the vaccine stuff is mostly BS from people who haven't looked at any actual data and rely on MAHA and similar whackjobs for analysis (I looked at a whole lot of Covid data and most of it didn't support the overwrought response IMO, but it sure did support the idea that vaccinating Americans above about 45 saved lives).
Look at the Kooks here who endorse your thinking and rethink your posts.
 

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Crime stats-


Here we go again, with criminal stats.

Here you can use the following "Stats". NYPD Overtime in the hundreds of millions a year these days.

NYPD uniform that work the midnight tours in NYC, each precinct is REQUIRED to have 4 members EITHER, volunteer or be assigned by the tour Sgt to work 4 hours OVERTIME in the Subways, every day.

Matt's Robbery Detective Squad, which handles robbery in Manhattan OVER $ 1,000 has MANDATORY OT of 140 hours a quarter and more if you volunteer.

NYPD is tight as a tick with OT, but there is just too much crime in NYC.
 

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What consenting adults want to squabble over is between them. I'm pretty adept at skimming past things that don't interest me (i.e., employing the OG block button, lol). It doesn't matter to me what any individual says or how many people agree or don't.

I disagree that it's up to my provider to weigh the risks and benefits. Ultimately it's up to me to decide for or against some intervention (while taking any opinion they have under advisement). If for no other reason, it's because providers are under a lot of pressure to follow scripts, probably those set out by lawyers, and as we saw during covid they can be put under enormous pressure to stick to that script. I sympathize with them, and it's why I've opted to to take a much more proactive interest in my health which includes, as an example, that I went rogue and "outside the system" to gather additional information about the state of my health and continue to monitor it on a twice yearly basis.
I agree. That should’ve said it’s a decision between you and your provider.
 

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This was interesting when it happened. By goodness, if Disney allows employees to be political on the left, they can’t have it both ways. This appears to be concluded.

 

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For all of you Sidney Sweeney fans, apparently she did a commercial for Baskin Robbins a month ago or so. Fox can't help themselves by "covering" it so you might as well enjoy. The commercial is at the start of the video so you don't have to watch very long to see it. Seems to me that ice cream makes you fat and not look like Sidney but maybe she can sell anything. Also, maybe it is just for the guys.

 

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For all of you Sidney Sweeney fans, apparently she did a commercial for Baskin Robbins a month ago or so. Fox can't help themselves by "covering" it so you might as well enjoy. The commercial is at the start of the video so you don't have to watch very long to see it. Seems to me that ice cream makes you fat and not look like Sidney but maybe she can sell anything. Also, maybe it is just for the guys.

She could sell ice to eskimos. I think people on both sides find things to complain about.

This is funny,

 

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RFK Jr cancelling the mRNA vaccines so he can sell you the new one. Even says “safe and effective.” 😂 MAHA!

This is Bill Gates’ baby by the way.. remember that Mar-A-Lago meeting in January?

https://fortune.com/2025/01/19/bill-gates-donald-trump-polio-hiv-global-health/
Bill Gates says Trump is 'energized' about this global health milestone | Fortune

He just said safer and more effective, which if we're honest is likely a pretty low bar in comparison to the mRNA shots, and it sounds like it truly is a vaccine. As long as they they do a credible job of performing safety trials and are honest about its risks and efficacy, doesn't matter to me who develops it.
 

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How can anyone possibly think that the worst part of Covid was the "forced vaccinations" when Covid involved (a) hundreds of thousands of premature deaths (yes, it was mostly elderly, but people who would have survived a not insignificant period of time longer) and (b) massive shutdowns of the economy and civil society.

Different political tribes put wildly different weights on (a) versus (b), but it seems impossible to think that both weren't far worse than "forced vaccinations" (btw, your parents probably forced some vaccinations on you long ago, you should thank them again).

Bottom line, the vaccine stuff is mostly BS from people who haven't looked at any actual data and rely on MAHA and similar whackjobs for analysis (I looked at a whole lot of Covid data and most of it didn't support the overwrought response IMO, but it sure did support the idea that vaccinating Americans above about 45 saved lives).
The forced vaccinations were awful. It didn't "stop the spread" as sold to us. Forcing younger, healthy people into a new drug for questionable reasons(stop the spread) is terrible.

I think many question stats coming out of the government for good reason at this point. I am not claiming to know what we will find out about this event over time, but I am going to guess there was plenty of dishonesty sold to us. We will see.
 
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The forced vaccinations were awful. It didn't "stop the spread" as sold to us. Forcing younger, healthy people into a new drug for questionable reasons(stop the spread) is terrible.

I think many question stats coming out of the government for good reason at this point. I am not claiming to know what we will find out about this event over time, but I am going to guess there was plenty of dishonesty sold to us. We will see.
I can't believe some of you are still focused on the Covid vaxx. You are conspiracy minded, every person and institution is lying to you. The vaxxs were to stop/decrease the deaths. They worked.
 
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Like what?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. 😂 You’re doing exactly what you accused me of doing.

I can’t stand Trump. I just gave you some things he’s done right. Every administration has pros and cons. Nobody is trying to “destroy our country” like you all love to say. That’s what is so stupid about MAGA. America has always been great.
 

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The forced vaccinations were awful. It didn't "stop the spread" as sold to us. Forcing younger, healthy people into a new drug for questionable reasons(stop the spread) is terrible.

I think many question stats coming out of the government for good reason at this point. I am not claiming to know what we will find out about this event over time, but I am going to guess there was plenty of dishonesty sold to us. We will see.
If it’s a pharmaceutical product I can guarantee you dishonesty was sold to you. The entire FDA drug approval process is dishonest. Studies are manipulated to prove whatever results the pharmaceutical companies want.

Profits > outcomes
 
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The forced vaccinations were awful. It didn't "stop the spread" as sold to us. Forcing younger, healthy people into a new drug for questionable reasons(stop the spread) is terrible.

I think many question stats coming out of the government for good reason at this point. I am not claiming to know what we will find out about this event over time, but I am going to guess there was plenty of dishonesty sold to us. We will see.

Way to avoid the argument.

The idea that mRNA shots are seriously impacting the health of more a small percentage of the population is the province of loons.

I do agree that the vaccine requirements were wrong. It just wasn’t close to the most important issue on Covid. I grow more convinced every day the discussion of vaccines TODAY has more to do with the conspiracy addled needing to keep pressing their own mental problems, as most of the other Covid skepticism has actually been validated (lab leak, lockdowns huge cost, masks useless and so on).

The vaccine claims will never be validated as the evidence is against them. So we get to continue to hear about them from the loons.
 

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For all of you Sidney Sweeney fans, apparently she did a commercial for Baskin Robbins a month ago or so. Fox can't help themselves by "covering" it so you might as well enjoy. The commercial is at the start of the video so you don't have to watch very long to see it. Seems to me that ice cream makes you fat and not look like Sidney but maybe she can sell anything. Also, maybe it is just for the guys.

There are NO B & R stores near me in the Hudson Valley !

I still have no blue jeans in my clothing closets.

But, I have offered to buy some for Mary Anne !! She wasn't happy with my kindness.

Sidney is a fine actress, who some may compare with Hepburn or Dr. Jill.
 

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If it’s a pharmaceutical product I can guarantee you dishonesty was sold to you. The entire FDA drug approval process is dishonest. Studies are manipulated to prove whatever results the pharmaceutical companies want.

Profits > outcomes
Is this the Official position of the PPU ?
 

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Way to avoid the argument.

The idea that mRNA shots are seriously impacting the health of more a small percentage of the population is the province of loons.

I do agree that the vaccine requirements were wrong. It just wasn’t close to the most important issue on Covid. I grow more convinced every day the discussion of vaccines TODAY has more to do with the conspiracy addled needing to keep pressing their own mental problems, as most of the other Covid skepticism has actually been validated (lab leak, lockdowns huge cost, masks useless and so on).

The vaccine claims will never be validated as the evidence is against them. So we get to continue to hear about them from the loons.
Luckily the Companies producing these drugs were indemnified from ANY legal action to them.
 

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Crime stats-


When I was a Security Guard at a NJ local hospital, one of the young Guards was looking for a new job in any Police Dept.

He was a nice young man who was not easily understandable in English. but his family were legal.

I looked up the DC Police and found they were anxious to fill openings with Bi-Lingual people.

He drove down there, was hired immediately after passing the joke of a physical and drug tested negative.

It was a decent salary, one of the benefits was that they would pay $ 1,000 a month of your rent is you would live inside DC for a year !

He's still there !
 

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If true, this is flat out BS. Any loan like this should be criminal.


I have been telling posters here for YEARS, to pay off your credit cards monthly. Get the cash rewards and mileage points for using the card.

Yes, the interest rates are usurious, and President Trump is trying to reduce rates !