current events thread

[tjfleck6]

The forced vaccinations were awful. It didn't "stop the spread" as sold to us. Forcing younger, healthy people into a new drug for questionable reasons(stop the spread) is terrible.

I think many question stats coming out of the government for good reason at this point. I am not claiming to know what we will find out about this event over time, but I am going to guess there was plenty of dishonesty sold to us. We will see.

Yep, DTrain says the deaths weee the worst part. Nope. One, you would have to be a complete fool to believe the government data which seemed to call every death Covid. Two, excess deaths continue to be well above norms years later which shouldn’t be the case for something that supposedly took so many from us prematurely.

The freedom loving Train should recognize that Joe Biden’s government tyranny and the willingness of so many like squicky to comply will ultimately go down as the tragedy of the time.

Thank God for those who refused to comply and stood up for freedom.

And for a “pandemic”, I should have known at least one person reasonably well who died FROM COVID, right? Yet I didn’t despite most everyone getting it

 

[tjfleck6]

We haven’t seen 200 posts from Squicky on this topic.

“In September 2021, Biden signed an executive order forcing all federal workers to take the COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of employment”

That order certainly encouraged private sector employers to do the same. I know my CEO took 2 days after the death jab was approved to issue a company wide MANDATE.

I ignored it. Squishy complied yet squishy already has a new job as of January 2025. Jobs come and go, but giving up your rights is a very slippery slope. Thank Goodness MAGA patriots fought back including booing Trump for bragging on the death jab

 

[stoneaxe27]

Yep, DTrain says the deaths weee the worst part. Nope. One, you would have to be a complete fool to believe the government data which seemed to call every death Covid. Two, excess deaths continue to be well above norms years later which shouldn’t be the case for something that supposedly took so many from us prematurely.

The freedom loving Train should recognize that Joe Biden’s government tyranny and the willingness of so many like squicky to comply will ultimately go down as the tragedy of the time.

Thank God for those who refused to comply and stood up for freedom.

And for a “pandemic”, I should have known at least one person reasonably well who died FROM COVID, right? Yet I didn’t despite most everyone getting it

WOW!!

 

[dtrain79]

Luckily the Companies producing these drugs were indemnified from ANY legal action to them.

The millions of people alive today that would have died from the diseases we can vaccinate for are very appreciative.

You and I might be among them. We shall never know.

 

[dtrain79]

Yep, DTrain says the deaths weee the worst part. Nope. One, you would have to be a complete fool to believe the government data which seemed to call every death Covid. Two, excess deaths continue to be well above norms years later which shouldn’t be the case for something that supposedly took so many from us prematurely.

The freedom loving Train should recognize that Joe Biden’s government tyranny and the willingness of so many like squicky to comply will ultimately go down as the tragedy of the time.

Thank God for those who refused to comply and stood up for freedom.

And for a “pandemic”, I should have known at least one person reasonably well who died FROM COVID, right? Yet I didn’t despite most everyone getting it

You being a little ***** applies whether you got vaccinated or not … nothing you do will ever change that.

I don’t care if you got a shot or not btw. Your call. If you were against forced vaccination, I agreed. But you are against the vaccine … not the forced vaccination. Different argument.

Excess mortality has dropped dramatically since the pandemic years. I believe it remains slightly elevated, likely due to Covid actually still killing olds and the the 2-3 year disruption in normal medical care that wasn’t good for anyone. But again, it’s down 80-90% since Covid was a huge issue.

I just have to keep laughing about how the huge abuses of Covid (lockdowns, masks, etc.) are memory holed in favor of quacktastic idiocy about vaccines. What is wrong with people.

 

[dtrain79]

Yep, DTrain says the deaths weee the worst part. Nope. One, you would have to be a complete fool to believe the government data which seemed to call every death Covid. Two, excess deaths continue to be well above norms years later which shouldn’t be the case for something that supposedly took so many from us prematurely.

The freedom loving Train should recognize that Joe Biden’s government tyranny and the willingness of so many like squicky to comply will ultimately go down as the tragedy of the time.

Thank God for those who refused to comply and stood up for freedom.

And for a “pandemic”, I should have known at least one person reasonably well who died FROM COVID, right? Yet I didn’t despite most everyone getting

I know at least 5 who died from it, including my wife’s aunt and uncle (brother and sister died an day apart).

And I was against the lockdowns literally from the start. Against masks. Irate about school closings. Believed it was likely a lab leak. And so on.

But this vaccine stuff is about conspiracy addled minds, not facts.

 

[bucshon]

Normal people fully understood the destruction that shutting down every economy in the western world during the COVID pandemic would cause. Despite pleas not to make the solution worse than the health risk, mass panic won out. That’s the major lesson learned. Never again.

Hopefully, people now understand the value of critical thinking rather than completely trusting subject matter experts, whose viewpoint is useful but narrow, to determine their fate.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Normal people fully understand the destruction that shutting down every economy in the western world during the COVID pandemic would cause. Despite pleas not to make the solution worse than the health risk, mass panic won out. That’s the major lesson learned. Never again.

Hopefully, people now understand the value of thinking critically rather than completely trusting subject matter experts, whose judgment is narrow, to determine our fate.

The calculus was economy or lives. They did their best in an unknown once in a century pandemic and chose lives. A century from now when you and I are long gone and another pandemic arrives, I bet they make the same choice of lives over economy. It is the only sensible choice.

 

[bucshon]

The calculus was economy or lives. They did their best in an unknown once in a century pandemic and chose lives. A century from now when you and I are long gone and another pandemic arrives, I bet they make the same choice of lives over economy. It is the only sensible choice.

No sir, that is objectively false. What will happen during future pandemics (if we learned anything) is we will protect the most vulnerable while not needlessly destroying everyone else’s life.

Never again should we allow the government to tell us that we can’t go to work, go to church, or go to school.

The data shows beyond any doubt that mitigation measures had little or no impact on mortality rates from the virus. State level lockdowns had no statistically beneficial effects on mortality.

They did, however, have measurable negative effects on overall public health; mental health, delayed or forgone medical care, disruption in treatment for chronic illnesses, disrupted child development, increased substance abuse, etc.

We allowed virologists to make decisions on the economy, education, and several other fields they weren’t qualified to asses.

 

[stoneaxe27]

No sir, that is objectively false. What will happen in future pandemics (if we learned anything) is we will protect the most vulnerable while not needlessly destroying everyone else’s life.

How would you protect the most vulnerable without harming others? Plus many of those that died from covid were not what you think of as vulnerable, the elderly and disabled. Many were middle aged and healthy. It was a killer of all.

 

[Uncoach]

 

[bucshon]

How would you protect the most vulnerable without harming others? Plus many of those that died from covid were not what you think of as vulnerable, the elderly and disabled. Many were middle aged and healthy. It was a killer of all.

Again, that is just not true. Most deaths from COVID in the U.S. were associated with advanced age or another underlying health condition. 81% of deaths were people over 65. Most of the others had underlying health conditions such as obesity, heart disease, diabetes, weekend immune system, or other disabilities.

A healthy adult under 65 without underlying conditions faced an infection fatality risk between 0.03% to 0.75%. (only slightly higher than for seasonal influenza)

 

[tjfleck6]

The millions of people alive today that would have died from the diseases we can vaccinate for are very appreciative.

You and I might be among them. We shall never know.

Millions from properly tested vaccines - we agree. My uncle has one leg an inch shorter thanks to Polio. So, I am well aware of the benefits of a vaccine that has been properly tested including long-term tests which are a necessity. Remember, most things in the world came to be as the result of a mistake/error. Lessons learned resulted in improved practices and standards. Long term testing is one such example

 

[tjfleck6]

You being a little ***** applies whether you got vaccinated or not … nothing you do will ever change that.

I don’t care if you got a shot or not btw. Your call. If you were against forced vaccination, I agreed. But you are against the vaccine … not the forced vaccination. Different argument.

Excess mortality has dropped dramatically since the pandemic years. I believe it remains slightly elevated, likely due to Covid actually still killing olds and the the 2-3 year disruption in normal medical care that wasn’t good for anyone. But again, it’s down 80-90% since Covid was a huge issue.

I just have to keep laughing about how the huge abuses of Covid (lockdowns, masks, etc.) are memory holed in favor of quacktastic idiocy about vaccines. What is wrong with people.

Boy, the Train is upset. He posts his own Train post and generates no interest. Likely why you resorted to posting in this thread. Pathetic and a sad come down for Mr Bronze Age.

Yes, I was against it for me due to extensive field data and travels around America in the first half of 2020. I was not bunkered up like most and saw most of the USA including government people NOT fearing their own ultimatums through total non-compliance without any fear.

Excess deaths have remained high. I had suffered from Covid by August 2020. It was so awful I never even knew I had it. Yet, the AB test said I had had it. I saw plenty of unfit people “survive”.

Forget the rights I gave up? You must be talking about yourself or the other deranged. I voted Trump because all Democrats didn’t want you to have any rights. I would have voted RDS or Nikki too. Virtuous fool Train sat it out. Well done. Yes, you were so outraged you voted “present”

 

[dtrain79]

No sir, that is objectively false. What will happen during future pandemics (if we learned anything) is we will protect the most vulnerable while not needlessly destroying everyone else’s life.

Never again should we allow the government to tell us that we can’t go to work, go to church, or go to school.

The data shows beyond any doubt that mitigation measures had little or no impact on mortality rates from the virus. State level lockdowns had no statistically beneficial effects on mortality.

They did, however, have measurable negative effects on overall public health; mental health, delayed or forgone medical care, disruption in treatment for chronic illnesses, disrupted child development, increased substance abuse, etc.

We allowed virologists to make decisions on the economy, education, and several other fields they weren’t qualified to asses.

Well said.

Bemusingly, Operation Warp Speed was a tool in restoring normalcy. It shouldn’t have taken a vaccine, but the bizarre reaction to a vaccine that was one tool against pandemic hysteria rankles me to no end.

I don’t care if a person got vaccinated or not, and I was anti mandate from the jump. But lots of vulnerable people benefitted from the vaccine, and instead of the MAGA types pointing out the massive failings from the public health-led response (and the lies told), the ones still talking about Covid are fixated on vaccines. Confounding but typical.

So I fear we learned nothing. The left learned nothing. The far right seems to have learned even less, memory holing the things it got right and obsessing about the conspiracy theories.

 

[dtrain79]

Millions from properly tested vaccines - we agree. My uncle has one leg an inch shorter thanks to Polio. So, I am well aware of the benefits of a vaccine that has been properly tested including long-term tests which are a necessity. Remember, most things in the world came to be as the result of a mistake/error. Lessons learned resulted in improved practices and standards. Long term testing is one such example

I largely agree with this. But it’s the argument against forced vaccines, not the argument against the quick employment of less tested ones during an actual pandemic or evidence of serious adverse consequences from mRNA in a large % of the population.

 

[dtrain79]

Boy, the Train is upset. He posts his own Train post and generates no interest. Likely why you resorted to posting in this thread. Pathetic and a sad come down for Mr Bronze Age.

Yes, I was against it for me due to extensive field data and travels around America in the first half of 2020. I was not bunkered up like most and saw most of the USA including government people NOT fearing their own ultimatums through total non-compliance without any fear.

Excess deaths have remained high. I had suffered from Covid by August 2020. It was so awful I never even knew I had it. Yet, the AB test said I had had it. I saw plenty of unfit people “survive”.

Forget the rights I gave up? You must be talking about yourself or the other deranged. I voted Trump because all Democrats didn’t want you to have any rights. I would have voted RDS or Nikki too. Virtuous fool Train sat it out. Well done. Yes, you were so outraged you voted “present”

I voted for Trump in 2020 because of Covid. My only vote for him. Dems were going to try to lock down as long as possible. Like you, I returned to normalcy ASAP understanding COVID was a serious disease but not one likely to kill me. I got it in February 2021, it wasn’t bad. Think I got it again in late 2022 and it sucked more (but might have been a different virus).

I posted my own thread because I have muted the dude who started the thread and didn’t realize you all had a thread going until like a day later when there still wasn’t a new politics thread and I hit the “show all muted posts” at the bottom.

I may post in my chain again tho. Good place for actual thoughts.

 

[bucshon]

Well said.

Bemusingly, Operation Warp Speed was a tool in restoring normalcy. It shouldn’t have taken a vaccine, but the bizarre reaction to a vaccine that was one tool against pandemic hysteria rankles me to no end.

I don’t care if a person got vaccinated or not, and I was anti mandate from the jump. But lots of vulnerable people benefitted from the vaccine, and instead of the MAGA types pointing out the massive failings from the public health-led response (and the lies told), the ones still talking about Covid are fixated on vaccines. Confounding but typical.

So I fear we learned nothing. The left learned nothing. The far right seems to have learned even less, memory holing the things it got right and obsessing about the conspiracy theories.

The politicization of the pandemic and the resulting ideological battle lines is one of the most groteque things in the American culture during my lifetime.

 

[bung23]

Crime stats-

Moses will not like this…..

 

[tjfleck6]

I largely agree with this. But it’s the argument against forced vaccines, not the argument against the quick employment of less tested ones during an actual pandemic or evidence of serious adverse consequences from mRNA in a large % of the population.

I don’t think it was an actual pandemic unless you live in a media age. The US population grew during Covid. That’s not my idea of a pandemic. Rome under Marcus Aurelias (huge loss of life), the Black Death in the Middle Ages, etc resulted in large population losses.

The vaccine was sold this way: Winter of Death without it, you won’t get Covid, you won’t transmit Covid. All blatant lies but the basis for authoritarian actions. Psychologically, it was a positive.

The response to Covid won’t be viewed for death and destruction (see Africa which had no problems). Rather, it will be viewed as a worldwide massive government overreach resulting in the lemmings accepting massive civil liberty violations for a little safety. As Doug said, the government was wrong on most everything. That is why people like me who moved around the country and saw people living just fine were right all along And had to be silenced - not that I seek, have, or ever had an “audience”.

 

[tjfleck6]

 

[Semi-elite R2R athlete]

Trump really wants everyone to stop talking about Epstein.

 

[tjfleck6]

Trust the science and believe them when they say we don’t know.

Test rat / pill pusher

 

[Uncoach]

 

[Uncoach]

The choice in 2024 was easy and in the foreseeable future is easy.

 

[Uncoach]

We need to start treating people like Gore as suffering from mental illness.

 

[Uncoach]

The news media appear to be zombies.

 

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[Uncoach]

Another Democrat who doesn’t care about state constitutions. Crazy train. Our cause is virtuous no matter how many laws we ignore.

 

[Uncoach]

And another Democrat governor as untruthful as Pritzker.

 

[Uncoach]

Thanks to Garland, this jackwagon is only the 2nd worse AG of my lifetime.

 

[bung23]

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re doing exactly what you accused me of doing.

I can’t stand Trump. I just gave you some things he’s done right. Every administration has pros and cons. Nobody is trying to “destroy our country” like you all love to say. That’s what is so stupid about MAGA. America has always been great.

I’d say opening our borders is indeed trying to destroy our country. Also, lefty politicians openly calling for violence against the right is trying to destroy our country. Further, pushing trans, DEI (racist) and anti-Semitic rhetoric is definitely trying to destroy the culture of our country at the very least. It’s not MAGA who’s stupid, it’s imbeciles with their head in the sand who are stupid and it looks like your head is in the sand.

 

[bung23]

A New York jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse on May 9, 2023

New York jury…..lol

 

[Uncoach]

Laughable.

 

[Uncoach]

LOL!!

 

[ILisBest]

Way to avoid the argument.

The idea that mRNA shots are seriously impacting the health of more a small percentage of the population is the province of loons.

I do agree that the vaccine requirements were wrong. It just wasn’t close to the most important issue on Covid. I grow more convinced every day the discussion of vaccines TODAY has more to do with the conspiracy addled needing to keep pressing their own mental problems, as most of the other Covid skepticism has actually been validated (lab leak, lockdowns huge cost, masks useless and so on).

The vaccine claims will never be validated as the evidence is against them. So we get to continue to hear about them from the loons.

I am taking the stance that we do not know what we will find out long term from the young people that needlessly took these shots. Yes, the covid deaths were obviously horrible, but unless you can see into the future, it is anybody's guess as to the final results of this irresponsible requirement, not to mention the shaming.

The two people I knew that died from covid were pretty sick already and I am guessing neither would have made it 3 or 4 years without covid. It was still a horrible tragedy they didn't get their full time with their families.

Now, if over the next three decades we lose double the people prematurely from a shot we didn't have long term studies about the effects, than technically that would be worse, no? I am guessing that won't happen, but nobody can say for sure.

 

[Uncoach]

 

[rillaman]

“This shuts us down:" Potter Valley ranchers say PG&E cut water without warning amid dam removal fight

Residents blame dam politics for depletion of Lake Pillsbury before harvest, with fire season looming.

www.americaunwon.com

I’ve said for years that the real battles are going to be over water.

My wife’s family has a cattle ranch in this area. Their biggest fear is coming true.

 

[stoneaxe27]

Now, if over the next three decades we lose double the people prematurely from a shot we didn't have long term studies about the effects, than technically that would be worse, no? I am guessing that won't happen, but nobody can say for sure.

That is a sky is falling mindset. You are worried about a possible wave of deaths from the vaxx when there have been none, only a fringe few even still focus on that possibility. That is a Robt. Kennedy Jr. mindset and reflects the huge emotional/psychological issues he suffers from.

 

[ILisBest]

That is a sky is falling mindset. You are worried about a possible wave of deaths from the vaxx when there have been none, only a fringe few even still focus on that possibility. That is a Robt. Kennedy Jr. mindset and reflects the huge emotional/psychological issues he suffers from.

I stated, "I am guessing that won't happen", but that is "the sky is falling mindset"? Ok, Stoned, good reading comprehension.

Btw, my post is an honest assessment of something no-one can possibly know.