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The rule of law did not allow for that. It does appear that Republicans - once the party most concerned upholding it - continue to slip away from that on the premise of "fighting harder" than the Dems.

There was never a reason that a message couldn't be sent at the same time as the rule of law was abided by. Instead, six months of histrionics.
It's clear that you as a "practicing " Attorney don't understand the legal differences between Article 2 and Article 3.
 

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What violence occurred during the Bush/Gore recount? I lived through that one.

The Veterans Army had nothing to do with an election. It was a protest against Hoover. Hoover lost the subsequent election and voluntarily ceded power.

The Trump riots sought to intervene in the count of Electoral votes proceeding that very day in the House and Senate. They intervened with the peaceful transition of power.

Old Fool Syndrome is all consuming, and you wear it well.

I really would like for you to stop making stupid arguments. Just ignore me, I'm simply going to mock every dumb response you serve up because you deserve nothing less.
I have a compulsion to correct your false or ill=informed posts.

But I have the grace to call it TDS 3.0 !
 
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TDS 3.0 is a POWERFUL drug/psychosis able to turn an education at a fine school like Duke ( Where my Dad first attended !) to mush !
Orange man bad! It’s smarter to drink a different colored koolaid of forever wars, deep state and selling out American workers. The Republican Party today is out-gaining Dem voter registrations despite the dreaded TDS version 2.025. Perhaps TDS is helpful to an evolving Republican Party that has been in need of evolving for decades.
 

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Um, Pelosi blames Pelosi.


She was calling for the guard while the resurrection was underway and stormed the Capitol. She can be seen calling for the Guard as well as Shumer was. Again Flynn stopped it and Trump would not help, he was enjoying the police getting beat. She claimed she took responsibility for the Capitol Police not taking sufficient pre-cautions, however she has very limited input over Capitol Police and security. She appoints one out of the three officials that control those.
 

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The SCIF is only 8 plus years old. Add on secret service protection for that entire time span and you need not worry about the safety of the information from a physical perspective.

This isn’t Bill Clinton keeping secret info in his socks drawer which by the way was ruled perfectly fine
Secret Service didn't stop people from using the bathroom, or looking at the documents that Trump was showing them to impress them. Give it up. Trump acted improperly.
 

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You have a huge empty spot for US History !

The US Army, Commanded by MacArthur being sent into DC parks to destroy encampments and remove WW1 Veterans clamoring for their Congressional WW 1 bonuses.

Al Gore fighting the Bush election peaceful transfer of power comes to minds.

It is routine for Police Departments to schedule police to be on duty and available for quelling events. The Capital Police did NOT, with approx 50 % of the force on vacation or regular days off. Plus they opened up the steel barriers, waved protesters into the Capital and in some cases quietly escorted persons around the interior of the Building. (Remember the Viking fan ?)

We here are well aware of your TDS 3.0 animas, thank you for your service !
LOL, you don't recall Gore giving a concession to Bush after the SC stopped the count, that went down in history of one of the greatest examples of putting country above oneself.
 

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Nancy as Speaker of The House has the ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILTY for the Security of the Capital Complex !

The 2 Sergeant of Arms ( House of Reps AND Senate ) and others report to HER !

The Buck STOPS THERE.
Wrong. Look it up she appoints one person of three.
 

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She was calling for the guard while the resurrection was underway and stormed the Capitol. She can be seen calling for the Guard as well as Shumer was. Again Flynn stopped it and Trump would not help, he was enjoying the police getting beat. She claimed she took responsibility for the Capitol Police not taking sufficient pre-cautions, however she has very limited input over Capitol Police and security. She appoints one out of the three officials that control those.
You may want to rewatch what she actually says and get back to me. It might hurt on the doll where you put all the knowledge downloaded from MSNBC, but in her words, she admits it was her.
 

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As much as I do not like flag burning, it is a method of freedom of expression. I don’t particularly care for this executive order and I doubt it would stand up in a court of law.



edit: I see a younger person from the right is irritated with this EO, as well.

 
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The rule of law did not allow for that. It does appear that Republicans - once the party most concerned upholding it - continue to slip away from that on the premise of "fighting harder" than the Dems.

There was never a reason that a message couldn't be sent at the same time as the rule of law was abided by. Instead, six months of histrionics.
Well, that is your opinion. My normal person view is sending someone who is here illegally to their HOME country is just fine.

The Dems have no law, so I guess you choose to live in pixie dust land with the boys and will continue to sit it out
 

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As much as I do not like flag burning, it is a method of freedom of expression. I don’t particularly care for this executive order and I doubt it would stand up in a court of law.



edit: I see a younger person from the right is irritated with this EO, as well.


ACT OF A DICTATOR. I guess he doesn't care that he can't create a law. Dumb as well.
 

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As much as I do not like flag burning, it is a method of freedom of expression. I don’t particularly care for this executive order and I doubt it would stand up in a court of law.



edit: I see a younger person from the right is irritated with this EO, as well.


If you want to destroy an old torn/ripped US flag and recycle to a new flag on your porch.

You can turn in the old flag at your local VFW Post !
 
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Well, that is your opinion. My normal person view is sending someone who is here illegally to their HOME country is just fine.

The Dems have no law, so I guess you choose to live in pixie dust land with the boys and will continue to sit it out

That is not my opinion. He literally had an order of "no removal" to El Salvador. Your opinion is that the law intervened with Trump's behavior, so you are cool with disregarding the law.

Again, I'm cool not affiliating with you in the political party that venerates this behavior. We all have standards.
 
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ACT OF A DICTATOR. I guess he doesn't care that he can't create a law. Dumb as well

That is not my opinion. He literally had an order of "no removal" to El Salvador. Your opinion is that the law intervened with Trump's behavior, so you are cool with disregarding the law.

Again, I'm cool not affiliating with you in the political party that venerates this behavior. We all have standards.
The law has been perverted and abused. Lawyers like those in NY are changing the law to go after their enemy. Judges are making **** up and ignoring the supremes. Gorsuch has rebuked them.

I’m very happy not to associate with you. The Democrats are completely lawless. Last I checked this wife beating, gang banging, human trafficking scumbag is in Maryland so it appears my president is following the law.

You being morally superior will never be able to vote for president again.
 
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I'm going to try and respond to both you and TJ's takes on 1-6-21 here. First, at least there's some acknowledgment that things went tragically wrong. I blame Trump and the rioters ... you blame security. Blaming security sure seems like a deflection to me.

Let's talk about security and Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi - as Speaker - may have been responsible for security, but it was clearly not a matter about which she would handle actual details. The Capitol Police underestimated the threat from the Trump crowd (understandably so IMO), and thus didn't advise anyone to take the precautions that were ultimately needed to stop the riot. Not sure why the Capitol Police get a pass from you (I am actually sure why the RW media gives them a pass, because it has given public safety officers special status for reasons I'll never understand), but me personally I'm hard pressed to put much blame on the security forces when, last I checked, they weren't rioting.

As for Trump himself, he set the whole chain of events in motion, and then he riled up his shock troops prior to the attack. Did he think they'd riot at the Capitol? I actually don't think so. Was he happy (probably thrilled) they did? Damn right, and he did virtually nothing to reign it in when he of all people had considerable control over the cultists running wild. Trump is morally culpable for what happened, and I personally think the whole affair was treason. Do I think he'd be convicted of treason in a court of law? Well, I put his chances at a conviction in that hypothetical a bit higher than Bolton's, if you get my drift. I will never support a person who put his own personal interests above the peaceful transfer of power (and admittedly, I have concerns about how he will handle the next transition should Dems win, even if I don't anticipate Trump is capable of destroying the system).

The GOP overwhelmingly selected not to move on from the guy who lied for months about losing an election, set in place the conditions for a disaster, and then dithered when the disaster hit. I can't change the opinions of millions of Americans (hell I can't change the opinions of even one), but I can disassociate from their delusions. So I have.

You used to accuse people of being "sheeple." Now you are out there blaming Pelosi for the Capitol riot. Seems like you are right in the mix of the RW herd on that one. It's good to be independent. I laugh pretty regularly that I'm one of a very narrow band of Americans who was totally against the lockdowns and totally against Trump 2024. Now that is a small herd.
You are misrepresenting what I have said. Pelosi(when not scripted) admitted she was to blame for the lack of NG and therefore the chaos. Neither TJ or I blamed the security forces. We do blame the lack of security as a major piece. Do you really believe the capital is breeched with NG troops on the doors? Have you noticed the street criminals have shaped up in DC quite a bit just because of the NG presence?

So, Trump riled people up by telling them to peacefully protest? Your point appears to be he had control of this mob and it got out of hand because he didn't post on X sooner. Doesn't that conflict with your claim when Trump(who had control of this mob per you) gave these specific instructions:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

So, which is it? Did he have control of the mob as you claim by saying, "he did virtually nothing to reign it in when he of all people had considerable control over the cultists running wild" or did he literally encourage peaceful protest and they did NOT listen so he had no control of the mob like you claim?

It is hard to have both ways, no?
 

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You are misrepresenting what I have said. Pelosi(when not scripted) admitted she was to blame for the lack of NG and therefore the chaos. Neither TJ or I blamed the security forces. We do blame the lack of security as a major piece. Do you really believe the capital is breeched with NG troops on the doors? Have you noticed the street criminals have shaped up in DC quite a bit just because of the NG presence?

So, Trump riled people up by telling them to peacefully protest? Your point appears to be he had control of this mob and it got out of hand because he didn't post on X sooner. Doesn't that conflict with your claim when Trump(who had control of this mob per you) gave these specific instructions:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

So, which is it? Did he have control of the mob as you claim by saying, "he did virtually nothing to reign it in when he of all people had considerable control over the cultists running wild" or did he literally encourage peaceful protest and they did NOT listen so he had no control of the mob like you claim?

It is hard to have both ways, no?

You can feel free to provide the evidence of Nancy Pelosi admitting that it was her fault January 6 occurred. Another topic on which I will wait forever. The Capitol Police are the ones who would have been responsible for advising her to call out the Guard (this is pretty obvious). If there's documentation that they did and she declined, I'd love that as well. This is as I understand things:

Numerous government investigations have established that law enforcement agencies gravely misjudged the threat that the Jan. 6 protests could turn violent. They have also come to general agreement on one fact: Law enforcement and military officials planning for Jan. 6 thought that proactively mobilizing the National Guard was a bad idea. The image of armed troops surrounding the Capitol, they believed, was incongruous with a ceremony cementing a peaceful transfer of power.

As I believe I stated/implied, Donald Trump had every opportunity to make his way over to the Capitol (or even get on TV) and demand the rioting stop to allow the vote on the transfer of power to proceed. Instead he dithered for hours before the Guard was dispatched (by then I believe the rioting had been quelled and some of the lack of coordination did not rest entirely with Trump). Trump had control over the crowd because they believed they were acting on his behalf (now perhaps you have a different insight than I do and you think something else was driving the riot, I'm all ears).

But let me lay out the sequence of events: (a) Trump goes on national TV at 3 a.m. the morning after the election and declares himself the winner (btw, I basically knew he'd lost by this time); (b) Trump spends two months filing failed lawsuits, demanding a re-vote and recounts, and otherwise spinning lies about the election; (c) Trump and his people coordinate a rally on January 6th, 2025 near the Capitol, the exact day Congress votes to certify Trump's loss; (d) Trump speaks at said rally; (e) rallygoers quite literally leave the speech and flood towards the Capitol, upon which a massive riot breaks out; (f) Trump dithers for 4 hours before taking action, by the conclusion of which the riot is over; and (g) the guy with horns sacks the Capitol and some dude with a beard steals Pelosi's lectern. OK ... (g) is only half true and the lectern dude was hilarious.

That said, the sequence of events I've laid out isn't really disputable. You are arguing that the cutoff for Trump responsibility is (d), absolving him from (e) because he didn't call for a riot (stipulated ... he didn't call for a riot). I am stating that I firmly believe that (e) naturally flowed from (a) to (d), and that Trump absolutely had an obligation to act quickly if he didn't want responsibility for (e). He did not do so, and with the benefit of hindsight he's pardoned almost everyone involved with (e). To me, this defines morally culpable and as I genuinely do believe the violent rioters were committing treason (not the idiots milling around the Capitol entrance of the Pelosi lectern guy).

Obviously you are far more charitable to both Trump and presumably the rioters. I don't think the verdict of history will ultimately agree with that, hopefully were both around to know.
 
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The law has been perverted and abused. Lawyers like those in NY are changing the law to go after their enemy. Judges are making **** up and ignoring the supremes. Gorsuch has rebuked them.

I’m very happy not to associate with you. The Democrats are completely lawless. Last I checked this wife beating, gang banging, human trafficking scumbag is in Maryland so it appears my president is following the law.

You being morally superior will never be able to vote for president again.
That “Maryland Man” can’t even speak English despite having been in the US for years. His lawyer tried to argue no bueno on Uganda because he doesn’t speak the language. He had plenty of time to learn English. Glad he’s getting moved on.
 

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You are misrepresenting what I have said. Pelosi(when not scripted) admitted she was to blame for the lack of NG and therefore the chaos. Neither TJ or I blamed the security forces. We do blame the lack of security as a major piece. Do you really believe the capital is breeched with NG troops on the doors? Have you noticed the street criminals have shaped up in DC quite a bit just because of the NG presence?

So, Trump riled people up by telling them to peacefully protest? Your point appears to be he had control of this mob and it got out of hand because he didn't post on X sooner. Doesn't that conflict with your claim when Trump(who had control of this mob per you) gave these specific instructions:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

So, which is it? Did he have control of the mob as you claim by saying, "he did virtually nothing to reign it in when he of all people had considerable control over the cultists running wild" or did he literally encourage peaceful protest and they did NOT listen so he had no control of the mob like you claim?

It is hard to have both ways, no?
No he said "you have to fight like hell or we won't have a democracy". Remember?
 

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A bright CEO and Board would understand their customer base and want to grow it. They don't.

Cracker Barrel is headed to the graveyard if it doesn’t substantially broaden its appeal. That doesn’t mean being woke or sponsoring pride, but they sure as heck need to attract the same minority economic demographics as their white customers.

It’s just a fact that blue collar white America is declining in raw numbers. You’d better get blue collar minorities too.

Where I think the problem for them is that they can’t say this. And the “woke right” is playing the hits that applied to lots of absurd lefty identity politics from a few years ago, as the influencers and talking heads made a fortune from hitting wokeism.
 

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The law has been perverted and abused. Lawyers like those in NY are changing the law to go after their enemy. Judges are making **** up and ignoring the supremes. Gorsuch has rebuked them.

I’m very happy not to associate with you. The Democrats are completely lawless. Last I checked this wife beating, gang banging, human trafficking scumbag is in Maryland so it appears my president is following the law.

You being morally superior will never be able to vote for president again.

You might be correct, I may well no longer be voting for either craptastic party or not voting in a lot of races.
 

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Cracker Barrel is headed to the graveyard if it doesn’t substantially broaden its appeal. That doesn’t mean being woke or sponsoring pride, but they sure as heck need to attract the same minority economic demographics as their white customers.

It’s just a fact that blue collar white America is declining in raw numbers. You’d better get blue collar minorities too.

Where I think the problem for them is that they can’t say this. And the “woke right” is playing the hits that applied to lots of absurd lefty identity politics from a few years ago, as the influencers and talking heads made a fortune from hitting wokeism.
You could be right as I am too lazy to figure out what is real here. It appears they may have a large stockholder(on their board) that is massively woke. Assuming that is real, put a fork in them.
 

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That is not my opinion. He literally had an order of "no removal" to El Salvador. Your opinion is that the law intervened with Trump's behavior, so you are cool with disregarding the law.

Again, I'm cool not affiliating with you in the political party that venerates this behavior. We all have standards.
You AGAIN have an incomplete knowledge of the issue.
 

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You can feel free to provide the evidence of Nancy Pelosi admitting that it was her fault January 6 occurred. Another topic on which I will wait forever. The Capitol Police are the ones who would have been responsible for advising her to call out the Guard (this is pretty obvious). If there's documentation that they did and she declined, I'd love that as well. This is as I understand things:

Numerous government investigations have established that law enforcement agencies gravely misjudged the threat that the Jan. 6 protests could turn violent. They have also come to general agreement on one fact: Law enforcement and military officials planning for Jan. 6 thought that proactively mobilizing the National Guard was a bad idea. The image of armed troops surrounding the Capitol, they believed, was incongruous with a ceremony cementing a peaceful transfer of power.

As I believe I stated/implied, Donald Trump had every opportunity to make his way over to the Capitol (or even get on TV) and demand the rioting stop to allow the vote on the transfer of power to proceed. Instead he dithered for hours before the Guard was dispatched (by then I believe the rioting had been quelled and some of the lack of coordination did not rest entirely with Trump). Trump had control over the crowd because they believed they were acting on his behalf (now perhaps you have a different insight than I do and you think something else was driving the riot, I'm all ears).

But let me lay out the sequence of events: (a) Trump goes on national TV at 3 a.m. the morning after the election and declares himself the winner (btw, I basically knew he'd lost by this time); (b) Trump spends two months filing failed lawsuits, demanding a re-vote and recounts, and otherwise spinning lies about the election; (c) Trump and his people coordinate a rally on January 6th, 2025 near the Capitol, the exact day Congress votes to certify Trump's loss; (d) Trump speaks at said rally; (e) rallygoers quite literally leave the speech and flood towards the Capitol, upon which a massive riot breaks out; (f) Trump dithers for 4 hours before taking action, by the conclusion of which the riot is over; and (g) the guy with horns sacks the Capitol and some dude with a beard steals Pelosi's lectern. OK ... (g) is only half true and the lectern dude was hilarious.

That said, the sequence of events I've laid out isn't really disputable. You are arguing that the cutoff for Trump responsibility is (d), absolving him from (e) because he didn't call for a riot (stipulated ... he didn't call for a riot). I am stating that I firmly believe that (e) naturally flowed from (a) to (d), and that Trump absolutely had an obligation to act quickly if he didn't want responsibility for (e). He did not do so, and with the benefit of hindsight he's pardoned almost everyone involved with (e). To me, this defines morally culpable and as I genuinely do believe the violent rioters were committing treason (not the idiots milling around the Capitol entrance of the Pelosi lectern guy).

Obviously you are far more charitable to both Trump and presumably the rioters. I don't think the verdict of history will ultimately agree with that, hopefully were both around to know.
I prefer to be more laconic like in My Cousin Vinny; "Everything he just said is BS !"
 

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Cracker Barrel is headed to the graveyard if it doesn’t substantially broaden its appeal. That doesn’t mean being woke or sponsoring pride, but they sure as heck need to attract the same minority economic demographics as their white customers.

It’s just a fact that blue collar white America is declining in raw numbers. You’d better get blue collar minorities too.

Where I think the problem for them is that they can’t say this. And the “woke right” is playing the hits that applied to lots of absurd lefty identity politics from a few years ago, as the influencers and talking heads made a fortune from hitting wokeism.
So the new COE is a White !