Dan Werner NCAA trouble coming from canes rivals site too

FlabLoser

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It's out there from multiple sources. Ole Miss's OC is going down in flames.

Unfortunately the official announcement will probably be a few months out.

Treadwell and the like better think twice before they throw their future draft pick away over some crootin money and sororitutes.
 

Hump4Hoops

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You better believe Brewster's all over it

He's probably spreading this all over as we speak - and he should.
 

woozman

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To me, that's a good thing...

With the unknowns involved, it allows other coaches to make the perception much worse than the reality might be.
 

Shmuley

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uh oh, black bears. The karma surrounding this is surprisingly sweet. Suck it.
 
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behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and hell followed..

i'm crunching on popcorn......this is gonna get good....
 

RebChuck

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what is the deal? Please spill it so everyone can clearly see the details. This needs to be known

Edited to add there is not much to see or believe when the poster who started the secrant link has two posts, is there?
 
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dawgs.sixpack

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I'd almost rather have it come out in August, forcing ole miss to fire him immediately, or the NCAA hammering him with a show-cause penalty, and force ole miss to scramble for an OC and throw them in turmoil just as the season is about to start.
 

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It has been widely reported that Hurtt (a football coach at Louisville) and Haith (a basketball coach at Mizzou) are being implicated by the NCAA in the Neil Shapiro scandal at Miami. Reports are that they will be given a show-cause ruling from the NCAA, which essentially is a multi-year suspension from coaching college sports at any school.

Last week WSVN, a TV station in Miami, added Ole Miss OC Dan Werner to the list with Haith and Werner. Werner is going to get the show-cause treatment too.

But the NCAA's official announcement on that is being delayed while they review their own handling of the Shapiro case. Everything Ive read in that says the delay will amount to nothing...only a delay.

So Ole Miss is probably losing their OC this offseason.

And Ole Miss better watch themselves. One of the lowest rung chools in the SEC with a 1st year BCS head coach and an assistant (Werner) from a very dirty Miami school suddenly has a recruiting class that would make Nick Saban envious. Hmmmm.....
 

RebChuck

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Odd, i searched for anything and i can only find message board links. Help a brother out.
 

FlabLoser

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They stuff that's out there says the story was reported on WSVN in Miami.

The Internet is great and all, but the roots of everything isn't always on google.
 

RebChuck

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Surely something like this is out there other than secrant poster's 2nd post

Come on. rattling cages is good 'n all but if you expect anyone to scream and shout you need details.

A little proof from the news station would be good.
 

Victory Red

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OC in title only. Freeze calls the plays per his own quotes. Werner's biggest contribution is as QB coach. He's a good coach, but he's probably the one I would be least worried about losing.
 

woozman

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Well no ****, Sherlock. I think it is pretty apparent why he is at OM (recruiting). And you're missing the point, this could not be worse timing from a recruiting standpoint - other coaches are going to jump all over this. Or at least they better (looking at you, Tim Brewster).
 

Victory Red

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He barely recruits at all, only recruits the QB position. He is the least active recruiter on the entire staff. That was an agreement when he was hired, so that he could spend enough time with his kids. Try again.

Brewster may want to make sure his information is correct this time before he starts talking about coaches leaving Ole Miss.
 

MedDawg

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From the stories...

OC in title only. Freeze calls the plays per his own quotes. Werner's biggest contribution is as QB coach. He's a good coach, but he's probably the one I would be least worried about losing.

It's apparent what Werner's biggest contribution is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagman


This cannot be good for OM. Nothing may come of it, but it certainly invites further investigation into the Werner/Freeze/Orgeron recruting connection. If Werner is a proven cheater and was hired for a second time...
 

RebChuck

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where are you looking? I searched around and can not see anything. i want some real facts to show the rebs, not BS internet fodder.
 

woozman

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Again, you are missing the point. This story can (and better) be used against you in the next couple of weeks. Regardless of what he actually does he has the title of OC, which is one of the top 3 spots on any staff. Redmond got a jacket or some other trival benefit and nothing will come of it besides what we have self imposed. Are you telling me your coaches haven't inflated that issue to sound much more than it actually is?
 
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RebelBruiser

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So would you rather have your QB coach rumored to possibly be in trouble over something that happened at least a decade ago at another program, or would you rather your whole program be rumored to be in trouble over something that happened a year ago?

Do we just all choose to forget Will Redmond? Glass houses and such.

For the record, I'm not all that worried about this rumor. Even if there is something to it, the impact to our program would be minimal.

Youre grasping at straws now.
 

BiscuitEater

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So, does ....

He barely recruits at all, only recruits the QB position. He is the least active recruiter on the entire staff. That was an agreement when he was hired, so that he could spend enough time with his kids. Try again.

Co-DC and CB coach Westley McGriff recuit?

I actually though that McGriff would be named before Werner in the Miami scandel and I have said so severa times on SixPack.

He spent for four years at Miami ('06 - '10) then spent a year at Vandy before showing up in Oxford. Rumors have been around since Yahoo first broke the story that he was 'involved' up to his eyeballs.
 
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You're right. Nothing to worry about...

..if I had a second cousin once removed associated with the Miami program, I would be shitting bricks. Because from what I've read, the corruption there runs a mile deep. And unlike with Cam Newton, the NCAA seems like they are very motivated to pursue the Miami situation as well as all the alleged bad actors. But if you're not worried, then props to your transcendental meditation guru.
 

tribaldawg

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Damage control

He barely recruits at all, only recruits the QB position. He is the least active recruiter on the entire staff. That was an agreement when he was hired, so that he could spend enough time with his kids. Try again.

Brewster may want to make sure his information is correct this time before he starts talking about coaches leaving Ole Miss.

Bet the other coaches don't even eat at the same table with him! Why don't you try again!
 

RebelBruiser

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The Redmond deal is a lot more proximate and actually involves your program, not just a random assistant. Like I said, grasping at straws.

Even in a worst case scenario, if there is something the NCAA does with Miami and former assistants, the impact to our program would be minimal, no different than having an assistant hired by another school.

Look I realize a lot of you are looking for some bad news about us to make you feel better about what Freeze is doing, but this one is a bigger stretch than most. Just calling a spade a spade. If we had fans saying the same **** about one of your coaches I would say the same thing.
 

tribaldawg

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The Redmond deal is a lot more proximate and actually involves your program, not just a random assistant. Like I said, grasping at straws.

Even in a worst case scenario, if there is something the NCAA does with Miami and former assistants, the impact to our program would be minimal, no different than having an assistant hired by another school.

Look I realize a lot of you are looking for some bad news about us to make you feel better about what Freeze is doing, but this one is a bigger stretch than most. Just calling a spade a spade. If we had fans saying the same **** about one of your coaches I would say the same thing.

Random assistant? You Bears are pathetic! I guess Freeze is the QB coach? The fact is the NCAA is saying the guy is dirty and he is now at a pathetic program with a top 5 recruiting class. See the connection? If not call a fan from any other school so they can explain it to you.
 

RebelBruiser

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Random assistant? You Bears are pathetic! I guess Freeze is the QB coach? The fact is the NCAA is saying the guy is dirty and he is now at a pathetic program with a top 5 recruiting class. See the connection? If not call a fan from any other school so they can explain it to you.

None of the infractions are related to us. I'm not sure what else to tell you. The Miami deal is a Miami deal. If for some reason the NCAA decides to hold every assistant at that school for the last two decades accountable, then we would have to hire a new assistant to replace him. That would be the end of the story for us. Any other speculation trying to say it's connected to us or would lead to anything for us isn't even reasonable enough to call it wishful thinking.

Like I said, the Redmond deal does actually impact your university. You fired an assistant already and disassociated a booster. I would worry more about that than what might or might not happen with the Miami investigation as it relates to assistants of ours and their actions from a decade ago
It is abundantly clear though that there are a lot of sandy vaginas here with regard to our recruiting class, and there are a lot of people looking for justifications or a smoking gun to make themselves feel better about it. You should just quit worrying about us. You've passed us by. We are in your dust, an afterthought. No need to worry yourself with us and our doings. We are just a cellar dweller with a HS girls basketball coach for a football coach. No big deal, right?
 

BiscuitEater

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Welcome back ...

So would you rather have your QB coach rumored to possibly be in trouble over something that happened at least a decade ago at another program, or would you rather your whole program be rumored to be in trouble over something that happened a year ago?

Nice parsing and misdirect. You do know that 2010 was only three years ago, right?

I have no insight into what the NCAA has on Miami or the coaches there but some things seem to be leaking out. One item seems to be that the NCAA is indeed going after dirty Miami former coaches.

There are two former Miami coaches on the current OM staff, Werner and McGriff and BOTH were there during the eight year period where Shapiro admitted he provided thousands of impermissible benefits to at least 72 athletes from 2002 through 2010.
 

RebelBruiser

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He is your OC! How's that for a relationship?

And again WE are not under investigation. It's possible, though a bit of a stretch, that Werner's career could be impacted by this, but it has nothing to do with our program. We won't be seeing any penalites for things our assistants may or may not have done at another program years ago.

In the case or Werner, I would hate to see something happen to him after what he's been through. The guy lost his wife and had to quit college coaching so he could have more time with his family. He was coaching high school football when Freeze hired him. The ONLY reason he's back in college coaching is because Freeze allows him to work a normal 8-5, and the only recruiting he's required to do is QB recruiting. It's a special arrangement so he can be a parent and not just a coach.

Back on topic, every year at this time there are rumors of how we are going down this time for sure coming from the MSU boards. This one is especially lame and a huge stretch. If this is the best one the MSU fans have generated so far, I'm not impressed. A current assistant and a possible link to infractions at ANOTHER school. I will hold my breath while you guys work on something that actually sounds better.

Even if this wet dream were to come true, we would be down an assistant, and that's it. I would hope that wouldn't happen, but this rumor, even if true, would be the equivalent of someone hiring away one of our assistants. In other words, grasping at straws as I said.
 

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I tend to agree....

that the direct impact from this on Ole Miss should be minimal. Worst case scenario, he gets the "show cause" order similar to that received by Pearl and Ole Miss must find a new OC. It doesn't prove that he did anything similar at Ole Miss, just that he has shown the propensity....
 

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Since Werner is no longer with Miami any punishment would be directed at him. That means either suspension or probation for him which means your entire team is under the NCAA umbrella. So, yes it does envolve your university because of his current ties to your school. This is similar to Lane Kiffin who also change schools after committing violations at Tennessee. Kiffin did, however, participate in the investigation and was later cleared of any major violations. The problem is Werner is not participating or cooperating in the investigation. This needs to change if he has any hopes of escaping punishment. Maybe he's waiting till after Feb 6;)