Dare I call it……PEAKING!!!!!!
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Again, I completely get your stance. I simply reject it on its face. It IS entitlement at its core. There is a major difference between wanting 1st and ONLY accepting 1st. This is especially true, when 5th is the worst you ever finish.
To be clear, if I wasn’t a true fan like many on here wrongly post, I would be hoping Brands gets fired and Iowa falls on its face. But, that is the LAST thing I want and it would be the most hollow “gotcha” possible.
Instead you guys can be miserable and I will happily enjoy watching them wrestle!
That's great advice for the rest of you on the opposite side of Corby. You guys made a bad season much worse with he non stop negativity.
It doesn't annoy me because:
It no more annoys me than a dog crapping in a yard.
It's what they do.
You aren't a real iowa fan if you are okay with 4th lmfao
s are gonna Your responses and the amount sure seem to make every indication to the contrary. Hell, it isn’t even very god like. But, hey, this board is full of hypocrisy, so you fit right in!!!
Happiness in life is reality minus expectations. I think your expectations are too low and you think mine are too high.
You call me entitled, I say you should experience what it’s like to compete for championships and then have that same team fade towards irrelevance. Then be a fan of that team and read a guy that’s admittedly a fan of another team tell me that it’s okay to get forth and praise us for doing it.
A meaner man would say screw you and leave it at that. But you should know that many on here are thinking it.
this is my last reply about this. I have wrestling to “enjoy” as you would see it.
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Stop twisting the “fan” thing. I wrestled at a different school 30+ years ago. Why would that stop me from becoming a true fan of another school. Hell, I have explained in great detail on here why I became an Iowa fan and that even goes back nearly 20 years.
I have cheered VERY hard for Iowa over the years and this year was probably the most vested I have EVER been. If you don’t think I want them to win as much as anyone, you are a complete fool.
I just won’t whine like a baby when they “only” take 4th with 9 guys into the R12 and 7 AA’s. To me, that should be celebrated in every way possible.
Problem is you have been talking **** the whole time also. Don’t act like you’re innocent. You’re “too smart” for that
there is a culture that is pervasive throughout the university - not just athletics - that we should be happy with what we accomplished with what we had. we see all the time in football, how KF's program joined Alabama, Georgia, and tOSU as the only schools with x number wins per season over the last 10 years or something, but difference is they all have conference, and national titles, whereas he has a couple of big ten west titles.. etc. he put x number of players into the NFL, and the pro bowl, but we should be happy because we cannot compete with the resources that those programs have -and all of that is true. The ONLY place where that attitude didn't apply was the men's wrestling program. So it's not black and white as another poster put it - yes we are over the moon for our guys and their performance, and yes we are thrilled that TNT got these guys ready to "peak" at the right time of year, but forgive us when we watch how this program has not evolved over the past decade in terms of technique, training, recruiting, and that is now is being reflected in attendance, fan excitement, and overall performance - celebrating staying in the top 5 isn't what we should be aiming for. The performance this weekend, backing up a solid performance at Big Tens, cannot be used as an excuse to maintain the status quo. There must be changes in the system - that's part of the evolution of the program, which up until now we have consistently failed to do, unlike PSU, OSU with DT, and tOSU with Ryan bringing in different assistants. The good news is that this is recognized and the framework for those has been laid out. There is a way forward, but choices have to be made, some of them not easy.
He got the 7 AAs right so he's cocking off like he's some genius despite being wrong about the rest.
I'm happy we got 7 AAs. I'm not happy we have 1 finalist, very likely no champions AGAIN, and we'll finish 4th/5th light years behind psu and now okst.
MSU is proof in the power of low expectations!
Oh come on now. No need to attack my religious walk. You're not qualified. When you act like the arbiter of truth and reality on this board, you should be able to handle someone pointing out obvious behavior quirks.
Don’t forget, the two no it alls on this board were 100% against going after DT because he was an unproven coach. Look where his team is in just two years now.
I'm saying 4th place isn't great. Iowa had a very good tournament and is still as close to Cal Baptist in the team race as they are to PSU. I was just using the criteria you set. I do agree it was a good performance and Brands had the team peaking great. I just think the overall condition of the program has really slipped the past few years. I don't see next year as likely to be an improvement. It doesn't matter as Brands is going to get another couple of years.
We'll see this thread again next year when Iowa is projected for a 10th place finish and our guys wrestle above seed and lock down 7th place...PEAKING!!!
I'm not really enjoying the "peaking" this morning.
Maybe the guys can win their last match.
Maybe the guys can win their last match.
I don’t move a thing. In fact, I dig my feet in harder than anyone here and THAT is where I draw the ire from. Some posters get mad enough that they deflect with crap like that, but it isn’t true…
As far as Iowa goes, I expect at least 6 AA’s and 2 Finalists. If they fall just short of that, I am not going to blast them for it, but I would say that had a decent March and wouldn’t argue with those that said decent isn’t good enough.
So, 6 AA’s with 2 Finalists or all 6 in the top 5, would be the bottom bar for a good March. If they still had Mo, I would raise that bar a smidge…
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So MSU, did the goalposts move or are you still digging your feet in?
I'm happy for the guys who managed to get on the stand against odds like Gabe and Block, happy that PK finished strong, very nice tournament for him. Drake got to win his last match. Kueter had a nice finish to a tough season. Caliendo was more than solid as usual. The team did battle hard this weekend and I commend them for that.
However this performance changes nothing. The idea of peaking as a strong finish to a tough season doesn't cut it. The standard shouldn't be wrestling above the low seeds earned during a tough year. It shouldn't be cheering for Jax Forrest tonight to help keep a 4th place trophy. It shouldn't be hoping to get a guy to the finals to keep a streak going. Not being in the discussion for the top team is not acceptable. The men that competed should feel good about how they competed this weekend, they exceeded expectations, they left it on the mat. The problem lies with the expectations being so bad to begin with. I want a team that exceeds expectations by making PSU break a sweat not by getting 4th instead of 7th.
However this performance changes nothing. The idea of peaking as a strong finish to a tough season doesn't cut it. The standard shouldn't be wrestling above the low seeds earned during a tough year. It shouldn't be cheering for Jax Forrest tonight to help keep a 4th place trophy. It shouldn't be hoping to get a guy to the finals to keep a streak going. Not being in the discussion for the top team is not acceptable. The men that competed should feel good about how they competed this weekend, they exceeded expectations, they left it on the mat. The problem lies with the expectations being so bad to begin with. I want a team that exceeds expectations by making PSU break a sweat not by getting 4th instead of 7th.
So 7 AA’s isn’t better than 6? I know you guys want me to be wrong so badly but come the f*ck on.
5th, 6th, top2, 3rd, medical to 6th, ,7th and 5th is inarguably better than 6 top 5’s…
MSU, I respect you and what you accomplished on the mat. 4th at Big Tens and Nationals isn't what Iowa wrestling is about, now or ever. I don't care about this excuse or that excuse, what happened this year and for several years prior isn't the standard Iowa has set for itself. WE EXPECT MORE THAN WE ARE GETTING!!!!! If Tom doesn't replace everybody below him, he needs to go also. If he does replace ALL of his assistants he probably buys himself until the end of his contract to start fighting for a title.
Hahahahahaha, if they did bad? We got 4th twice at the 2 biggest tournaments of the year. WE DID DO BAD, just because you have lowered the bar doesn't mean the rest of us have......Yep just like you guys would've done to us if they did bad like you thought. March matters in wrestling tried telling everyone to chill and wait for March and was constantly bashed over and over. Most here are clueless casual fans. Enjoy the last day before everyone starts in again with the BS. Maybe you guys will.listen when people talk who know a thing or 6
You'll be right there talking about Iowa wrestling peaking in 6th place next year. This program needs the a**holes to grab the reigns back if we are ever going to recover. When things get ugly you call in the a**holes not the unicorns.
For someone that tells everyone to read your posts better you might want to reread it. You said 6 AA AND 2 finalists. We have 1 finalist; you’re moving the post like we all expected. So yes, YOU ARE WRONG.
This "I told you so" post was the most predictable thing from this weekend, ahead of Mesenbrink, Barr and Mendez making the finals.
Unbelievable. What is the bigger number? 6 or 7? Not to be confused with the current teenage fad!
if you can’t do basic math, this argument is lost on you…
You literally said 6 all Americans and 2 finalists. You hit on your all American number but failed on finalists.
First off 6 was the MINIMUM, Moran. 7 is more than 6. Also, I said that or 6 with all top 5’s. If you can’t see that 1 Finalist with 6 more AA’s at least meets that threshold, let alone exceeds it, then feel free to dig all you want. I will happily say 5th, 6th, top 2, 3rd, med forfeit to 6th, 7th and 5th, along with 2 R12’s EASILY exceeds that minimum.
Did we have 2 finalists like you mentioned was the minimum for you?
Take what you said word for word; put it in ChatGPT and ask it if they met your standards. The answer is no. Words have meanings and you’re either not smart enough to say what you mean or are wrong.
Please just tell me you can’t read. It was also that OR 6 top 5’s. Once they get to 7, which is MORE than 6, that goes BEYOND that minimum, clearly and inarguably. 7 AA’s with 1 Finalist is absolutely comparable to 6 with 2 and CLEARLY surpasses 6 with all top 5’s once you look at the makeup of the 7.
But, hey, feel free to think it is some kind of gotcha, and I will happily rely on the fact that 7 is more than 6!
No. You said 6 AA AND 2 finalist. You’re missing that and 2 finalists part. Now if you would’ve said OR 2 finalists you’d be ok, but you didn’t; you said AND. Lol
It's almost like you are a troll. Go Spartan wrestling.
Your brain simply doesn’t work right. Is 7 MORE than 6?Comparable???? This is called moving the goal posts
Correct 7 is more than 6. Is 1 less than 2? Have you posted your whole post into ChatGPT and asked if the Hawkeyes met that standard you set yet?
This has been an entertaining year, thank you for not kicking me off the forum. Iowa wrestled well this weekend, as strong as I have seen them all year. I understand the angst in not wanting to celebrate 4th, but the reality is, that was your team this year and they out performed B10 coach of the year Tom Ryan when it mattered the most.