Can't believe how many of these losers actually think about us. Man being wrong really takes its toll on people. Weak minded people shouldn't be wrestling fans. Can't win them all but we are definitely winning
Dare I call it……PEAKING!!!!!!
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You were never a good wrestler. The way you talk you should have been good. Why so piss poor with all of your knowledge. I could have beat you in my sleep.
Unless this is some type of satire, do I need to reconsider thinking you were a level headed poster?
For all of my back and forths, plenty of those posters have been frothing at the mouth, but I avoid making any personal insults.
if I can avoid doing it, you most certainly can. Be better…
So MSU158 and Corby ARE the same poster. This confirms what some of us thought. Was your mom's name Sybil, by chance?
Fly by the seat of my pants post going by memory. Unfortunately I'm not as sharp as I once was. What can I say, I'm not exactly PEAKING anymore...
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Sadly your situational awareness and research skills must, therefore, be truly inept. I have been posting too long to be two different accounts.
Also, we may post some of the same things, but we certainly post them much differently. Finally, not too long ago we even had an accidental spat, due to misunderstanding a post.
I know it is easier to hate on one poster than it is two, But, you will still need to put in twice the effort to hate on BOTH of us!
Hopefully you weren’t thinking your amateur sleuth skills were enough for you to try for the “big time”…
Wow! Yeah making the "big time" on an anonymous message board was exactly what I told my HS guidance counselor I wanted to pursue for a career. You can have that domain to yourself, champ.
hey tweedle dee and tweedle dum how bout you respond to this well written post or just admit that you love mediocrity
Well written? It is hobbled together with bubble gum and drivel and it is written by the biggest wrestling troll of all time. He is such a troll that many iterations of him have been banned on a board that is nearly impossible to get the banhammer.
He is one of a few that you can count on one hand that even I ignore(not to be confused with using the ignore feature). To put it into context JimmyCinnabon is a master troll. He does a good job masking his troll attempts with exuberance and subterfuge. JST, on the other hand, comes straightforward like a bull in an overfilled China Shop. Zero tact and substance equal to what is left if you don’t wipe correctly…
U guys are
s . He wrestled for Michigan st years ago. Many here know me. I put my name on what I say. Also I'm not smart enough to change writing styles like that. Enjoy life my guyYes we did I forgot about that. It was probably a day I was fed up with the BS and was firing back and misread what you said. I made something about me when it wasn't if I remember right. You were a good sport and moved on.
Can't believe people actually spend time trying to figure out who you actually are
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This is just his first peak....wait til JTS hits his second peak.Unfortunately for you, I'm just now entering my prime.
And one finalist is less than two.
This isn’t math, this is you now changing your parameters.
Again, I CLEARLY said 6 AA’s with 2 Finalists OR 6 Top 5’s. Again, 7 is MORE than 6 EXTENDING PAST those parameters.
As a WHOLE their results EXCEEDED those. That is inarguable.
2nd, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th is BETTER than 6-5ths.
Hell, here is some math for you. 6-5ths score 60 points without any bonus. The team scored 92.5. There is NO cogent argument that says they didn’t exceed my threshold, let alone fall short….
I know you want me to be wrong so badly, but the math is 100% on my side…
Just for the sake of using MORE MATH, even 2 finalists and 4-6th only garners 16,16, 9, 9, 9, 9, without bonus. That scores 68. Mind you I Could have used 4-8th and still hit that threshold and that would reduce it by 14 points.
Again, the MATH, is very much on my side…
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We shouldn’t have to spell this out for you, but one “extra” All-American does not equal one finalist.
Surely you can see that, right?
Surely you can see that, right?
Go back and read I said that OR, with emphasis on the word OR, 6 top 5’s. Even then there is a hell of an argument, which I made with very simple math, that the MAKEUP of the 7 AA’s easily passes what 2 Finalists and 6 total AA’s meets.
It’s not like I said 2 Finalists NO MATTER WHAT. If I had said that, then you would be correct. You guys are so hung up on that because it is your only chance at some form of a gotcha.
They scored 92.5 points, had ALL 9 get to the R12 and 7 AA’s with NONE of them taking 8th. Their performance was MUCH better than the bar I set and even I was NERVOUS they wouldn’t get there. In the end, they did considerably better than even I expected…
Why do you folks keep engaging with MSU158 over such minutiae. He always responds to your posts and keeps going.
Haven't you figured out he is an AI bot. And those bots keep getting better and better every six months or so. You can't win. It's like betting against the Casino you losers.
Keep at it and someday your doorbell will ring
and when you answer there will be a robot with MSU158 on its chest and it will invite you to come outside for a more thorough discussion of some of your more vociferous posts.
Haven't you figured out he is an AI bot. And those bots keep getting better and better every six months or so. You can't win. It's like betting against the Casino you losers.
Keep at it and someday your doorbell will ring
and when you answer there will be a robot with MSU158 on its chest and it will invite you to come outside for a more thorough discussion of some of your more vociferous posts.
Trying too hard.Yes we did I forgot about that. It was probably a day I was fed up with the BS and was firing back and misread what you said. I made something about me when it wasn't if I remember right. You were a good sport and moved on.
Can't believe people actually spend time trying to figure out who you actually are
I want six bananas and two watermelons.
Here’s seven bananas and one Watermelon. It’s more than you asked for.
But, it‘s not. Well, okay, if you give me five apples that will work.
No problem, here are four apples. You are really making out on this! You should thank me for my genorosity.
Except this is wrestling and we aren’t shopping for fruit. The goal is to get ON the podium with as many guys as possible. Having another guy get on the podium isn’t another banana.,,,,It is a FULL 10% closer to getting EVERY guy on the podium.
Ask ANYONE with solid coaching knowledge and are fully impartial to me if they would take 6 top 5’s over the 7 AA’s Iowa got. I am about as certain as anyone could be that they would take what Iowa did this year over that every single time.
This isn’t that hard. You just want it to be because it is me…
Now that is funny. One of the better posts I have read on here in quite a while. Well done!
This isn't about whether or not seven wrestlers on the podium is more important than two finalists. It isn't a general discussion about what could and should be the way to measure success in the tournament.
It's about the fact that you provided an objective way to measure the results, and even though they did not meet your specific objectives you are trying to argue that they did.
Are you saying I didn't specify, WAY BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT, "OR" 6 top 5's??? You seem to be COMPLETELY ignoring that fact. Hell, I even gave basic math SHOWING how 92.5 points scored is WAYYYY above that threshold, EITHER WAY.
You are arguing like it was a prediction instead of a threshold. If each thing doesn't happen EXACTLY, then I am wrong. That is NOT what it was. I said threshold a bunch of times in that thread. 7 AA's and the MAKEUP of those 7 AA's EASILY exceeded that THRESHOLD.
Even IF you went hardline about the 2 Finalists with 6 total AA's, Kennedy taking 3rd instead of 2nd is a whopping 2 points. 7th place is 4 points. That doesn't even count Arnold's advancement points. At the BARE MINIMUM, they scored 20+ points more than my threshold and it really is over 30 if you simply do the basic math...
Since you are hung up so hard on the 2 Finalists thing, are you really saying that 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 8th and 8th is better than 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th and 7th???? Because, THAT is the ACTUAL argument....
On the contrary, I am trying to hold you to that criteria. How many top 5's did we have?
Again, not a general discussion. We are comparing the objectives you stated to the results.
Threshold- the magnitude or intensity that must be exceeded for a certain reaction, phenomenon, result, or condition to occur or be manifested:
Prediction- a thing predicted; a forecast:
Predict-say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something.
You keep arguing the latter, when I CLEARLY identified it as the former. They CLEARLY and INARGUABLY exceeded that threshold. I NEVER made a prediction. The argument ALWAYS was what LEVEL they had to meet, or exceed, for me to say they had a good season. It was NEVER I had to "predict" an exact outcome.
Don't be disingenuous. Are you clearly telling me that the makeup of the 7 AA's is not BETTER than 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 8th and 8th OR 5th, 5th, 5th, 5th, 5th and 5th? You keep avoiding answering that because it blows up your entire argument and I am sure you KNOW that....
Yet again, you misconstrue. "Big time" had NOTHING to do with Internet status. I was HOPING you didn't think your detective skills were at such a level that you would pursue it as a career. I was trying to save you from the embarrassment that 100% would ensue if you went that route.
So far, you are 0 for 2!
It's undeniable that Iowa had a great tournament, especially where expectations were set by their dual season, and they should be congratulated for that, but is "peaking" at 4th, 90 points behind PSU, with one finalist, no champions, and both of the top two placers losing by TF to PSU really where Iowa wants to "peak"? After losing in the Cy-Hawk dual then getting boat raced by both PSU and Ok St? That's the new Iowa "peak"?
This is the core of the issue with the Brands debate. Just like I've been saying would happen all year, PSU continued their domination and Ok St overperformed once again at nationals and blew past the rest of the field. DT's replication of the PSU model is working to a tee. First year, recruit a bunch of hammers, portal in a temporary lineup, and elevate two grad transfers from AA to champ (including the most stunning upset of the whole tournament). Second year, the first recruiting class produces three true freshman champs including the first two undefeated true freshman champs since 1947 (including the most stunning upset of the whole tournament). The arrow is pointed straight up for them, and it's clear that the "PSU model" is, in fact, replicable, and the teams with legacy coaches (i.e. Brands, Ryan, Manning, etc) are just going to slip further behind the teams implementing the PSU model year after year. The next one will be Nolf, and wherever he takes over will rocket to the PSU/Ok St tier within a couple years as well, while the "we like our guys" and "just be more aggressive" teams will fall further behind the elites.
It's more than just recruiting. Ryan and tOSU have kept up neck and neck with PSU in recruiting, but their "all time great" 2022 recruiting class with all of the top three recruits (Mendez, Bouzakis, Feldman) has produced the same amount of titles as Cael's one man (Haines) recruiting class who was ranked several spots behind all of Ryan's studs. DT has replicated the whole model - recruiting, training, coaching, RTC, etc., and it's producing the same (or better) results as Cael did in the early 2010's. DT's first recruiting class produced three true freshman champs. Ryan's all-time great recruiting class produced nothing their freshman year. The programs that don't embrace the new school direction are going to be left further and further behind every year.
This is the core of the issue with the Brands debate. Just like I've been saying would happen all year, PSU continued their domination and Ok St overperformed once again at nationals and blew past the rest of the field. DT's replication of the PSU model is working to a tee. First year, recruit a bunch of hammers, portal in a temporary lineup, and elevate two grad transfers from AA to champ (including the most stunning upset of the whole tournament). Second year, the first recruiting class produces three true freshman champs including the first two undefeated true freshman champs since 1947 (including the most stunning upset of the whole tournament). The arrow is pointed straight up for them, and it's clear that the "PSU model" is, in fact, replicable, and the teams with legacy coaches (i.e. Brands, Ryan, Manning, etc) are just going to slip further behind the teams implementing the PSU model year after year. The next one will be Nolf, and wherever he takes over will rocket to the PSU/Ok St tier within a couple years as well, while the "we like our guys" and "just be more aggressive" teams will fall further behind the elites.
It's more than just recruiting. Ryan and tOSU have kept up neck and neck with PSU in recruiting, but their "all time great" 2022 recruiting class with all of the top three recruits (Mendez, Bouzakis, Feldman) has produced the same amount of titles as Cael's one man (Haines) recruiting class who was ranked several spots behind all of Ryan's studs. DT has replicated the whole model - recruiting, training, coaching, RTC, etc., and it's producing the same (or better) results as Cael did in the early 2010's. DT's first recruiting class produced three true freshman champs. Ryan's all-time great recruiting class produced nothing their freshman year. The programs that don't embrace the new school direction are going to be left further and further behind every year.
There is nothing in my posts that suggests I am critiquing a prediction. I am specifically pointing to your objective criteria, and pointing out the very plain fact that the team failed to achieve that criteria. I repeat this every time so I'm not sure why you keep claiming I am talking about a prediction. And I ignore your superfluous comments because those are not relevant to your specific criteria for success.
Your Criteria for Success
CRITERIA A
Six All Americans (exceeded)
AND
Two Finalists (Came up short)
* CRITERIA A NOT MET *
CRITERIA B (Alternative Criteria for Success)
Six top-5 placers (Came up short)
* CRITERIA B NOT MET *
Now, you could easily clear this up by simply admitting that OBJECTIVELY they did not meet your criteria. Then you could proceed to argue that, SUBJECTIVELY, you believe their results were just as good as what you had defined. But you can't claim that, objectively, your criteria was met. It was not.
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dang Art how did you get sucked in to the is 1 finalist less than 2 finalist
Because it wasn’t a criteria. I NEVER used that word. Threshold. Threshold. Threshold. I even gave you the definition. You are trying to pigeon hole and ignore. BECAUSE accepting threshold blows your argument out of the water.
So, for the sake of this board I will just say I will not respond further until you accept threshold and the definition I provided. 7 AA’s is INARGUABLY better than 6 and the makeup of those 7 scored way more points than either “criteria” you try to lock in on.
But, hey, you have definitely joined the willfuly OBTUSE crowd I argued with all season long. Good for you and good luck on understanding and accepting what a threshold is and how it applies in this particular case!
This thread is making what to read and @IRON HAWK Iron Bird post.
Okay, so replace “Criteria” with “Threshold” in my previous post. They objectively missed your threshold.
In your subjective opinion, seven AA and one finalist is just as good as six AA and one finalist. But the fact remains that, objectively, they did not meet your threshold.
imo you are the one being obtuse, refusing to understand the difference between objective and subjective.
Lmfao, so you are also lacking in reading comprehension. Was there an OR? Much like Art, if you can’t acknowledge the OR, you are too disingenuous to address.
Oh and threshold and bottom bar mean the same thing. The VALUE of 6 AA’s composed in the 2 ways listed was the BOTTOM BAR. Simple math shows they SURPASSED that. I showed exactly what the 2 values produced and what the actual 7 AA’s produced. They outscored BOTH by MORE than 20 points.
Read it AGAIN. They OUTSCORED that value by more than 20.
This my mic drop moment. Any further arguments against simply show willful ignorance and I will take the high road.
#PEAKING. #Toobadforyou #IwinYoulose!!