Dawgbreeze and his cronies think they are being slick

[Coach34]

I love all these statements:

"Coach 34 and his buddies lambasted Stansbury and MSU basketball way before Renardo Sidney ever got here. Now we are going to see if change is any better "

"I like other posters and MSU supporters would love to see MSU basketball succeed but if it doesn't, then the blame is clearly on Scott Striklin and those critics who forgot how hard it is to win here. "

"If indeed that happens, then look no farther than Coach34 and his tribunal because the wanted change and it may be a lot like Obama's."

Dawgbreeze and his cronies hope we succeed? Then why have you guys pulled so much of your monetary support? If you really want to support the program and really do hope we succeed, why not give Ray the same chance and support you were giving Stansbury each season? Is Ray supposed to do more with less?

Stansbury left the program in a mess, you guys have pulled thousands and thousands of dollars of support away from the program, but you are going to "see if change is any better" and "love to see MSU basketball succeed".....and if somehow it isnt any better in a year or two- you already know who you plan to blame things on....sounds like a plan to me

 

[missouridawg]

So.... let me get this straight

It's not ok to bash a man who spent 6 years being inadequate and making the same mistakes over and over and over again... but it's ok to bash a guy who's 4 games into his career?

 

[tenureplan]

All I know is I can't even bring myself to watching us play this year. Maybe some of you would prefer to see us hustle but suck (a la Auburn) as opposed to having talent but underachieve; but I would just like to watch us be competetive.

 

[patdog]

Well, we weren't going to get either if we'd kept Stans this year. Would you rather watch a team that hustles but sucks or one that sucks and doesn't hustle either?

 

[cheewgumm]

If e can't recruit, he's done. Just like every other bball coach. We'll see if

he can. It's just too early to tell now. He's dealt a horrible hand, so nto really fair to judge right now.

All I know is I can't even bring myself to watching us play this year. Maybe some of you would prefer to see us hustle but suck (a la Auburn) as opposed to having talent but underachieve; but I would just like to watch us be competetive.

 

[tenureplan]

You can't say for certain that Hood leaves if Stansbury stays...I know 34 says that was a done deal, but I'm not sure if I buy it. Plus Gray would have still been on board. Players don't get kicked off the team...maybe we at least compete.

But I digress, it was probably best for MSU basketball long term to end it with Stans. But when they Ray hire was announced, a collective "Who the 17 is Rick Ray?" could be heard from the MSU fanbase, players, recruits, and their families; and I think that as well as the assistants he chose to bring back/not bring back cost us in recruiting.

 

[Coach34]

You can't say for certain that Hood leaves if Stansbury says...I know 34 says that was a done deal, but I'm not sure if I buy it. Plus Gray would have still been on board. Players don't get kicked off the team...maybe we at least compete.

But I digress, it was probably best for MSU basketball long term to end it with Stans. But when they Ray hire was announced a collective "Who the 17 is Rick Ray?" could be heard from the MSU fanbase, players, recruits, and their families and I think that as well as the assistants he chose to bring back cost us in recruiting.

Well, there is that quote directly from his Dad in the C_L stating exactly that he planned to leave and wanted to during the season.

 

[tenureplan]

And Cam's dad was quoted saying that Cam knew nothing about the $180k, what's your point?


Its dadspeak

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

The money supporters you are talking about are fickle coach. You know they are.

If they are not shelling out the big bucks for Ray it is because they have a wait and see attitude probably more than they miss Stanbury. Okay, there are probably a couple who are holding back because their guy is gone, but you can't really expect them all to fall back in line automatically like nothing has changed. Right or wrong, they are going to think about backing a new coach no matter who it is.

This is all based on the guys I know back there in Mississippi. I haven't spoken to any of them about this simply because I haven't seen them since Stan's departure. But based on the personality of the guys I know, I would get there are a lot of them with a wait and see attitude.

 

[Coach34]

And Cam's dad was quoted saying that Cam knew nothing about the $180k, what's your point?


Its dadspeak

that's kind of a stretch and you know it...the Hood's didnt get nearly as much money as the Newton's

 

[patdog]

I'm telling you people. Hood tried to leave twice before anyone was even talking about the possiblity that Stans might not be back. And I sure didn't get my info from Coach34. Trust me. He was gone. He never wanted to be here from the day of the Sidney fight. Actually, our best chance to keep him would have been to get rid of Stans after last season and let him play his first year under a new coach. Really, that was our only chance.

 

[jamdawg96]

C'mon man... Stansbury hadn't had control of a team since Timmy Bowers left. Get real.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

Dawgbreeze and his cronies hope we succeed? Then why have you guys pulled so much of your monetary support?

Stansbury left the program in a mess, you guys have pulled thousands and thousands of dollars of support away from the program, but you are going to "see if change is any better" and "love to see MSU basketball succeed".....and if somehow it isnt any better in a year or two- you already know who you plan to blame things on....sounds like a plan to me

BURNED!!

 

[tenureplan]

I don't remember stating or implying anything about Stans' control of the team

In fact, I stated that it was time for him to go.

My point was that this team is hard to watch. In Stans' worst years, we were still competetive. The hiring process sucked. Hiring somebody that nobody had heard of hurt recruiting. Ray's need to establish that this was his team and sending Grant packing hurt recruiting. Brooks was kept on because he had the least ties to Stansbury. And since he has ran off half of our remaining scholarship players. All of this combined makes us hard to watch. That was my point. I would rather watch a lifetime movie with the wife, it is guaranteed to be more suspenseful.

 

[00Dawg]

Query: we just finished an indoor practice facility. Anything involving renovating the Hump will either require massive contributions or be done under the auspices of spending money to make money. It's not like Stansbury made off with university laptops or film equipment.
What exactly does Ray need designated funds for in order to win?

 

[NatchezReb18]

I love all these statements:

"Coach 34 and his buddies lambasted Stansbury and MSU basketball way before Renardo Sidney ever got here. Now we are going to see if change is any better "

"I like other posters and MSU supporters would love to see MSU basketball succeed but if it doesn't, then the blame is clearly on Scott Striklin and those critics who forgot how hard it is to win here. "

"If indeed that happens, then look no farther than Coach34 and his tribunal because the wanted change and it may be a lot like Obama's."

Dawgbreeze and his cronies hope we succeed? Then why have you guys pulled so much of your monetary support? If you really want to support the program and really do hope we succeed, why not give Ray the same chance and support you were giving Stansbury each season? Is Ray supposed to do more with less?

Stansbury left the program in a mess, you guys have pulled thousands and thousands of dollars of support away from the program, but you are going to "see if change is any better" and "love to see MSU basketball succeed".....and if somehow it isnt any better in a year or two- you already know who you plan to blame things on....sounds like a plan to me

Sounds similar to the Forward Rebels campaign that Ole Miss went through.

 

[Coach34]

I'm thankful for guys Dawgbreeze, the Rulas, the Miskellys, the Iupes, and many others through the years that have given their money to help State basketball succeed. I can't tell you how much I and others appreciate it. BUT:

Those boosters that sit there pissed off because you didn't get your way this time and lie to people bother me. When you stop giving your monetary support and give the new coach less to work with- yet hold him to the same standard- you are not keeping an open mind, nor are you hoping he succeeds. I'd rather Dawgbreeze just say "17 yeah I'm still pissed off about it and I'm not giving any money towards the program because of it." At least then he would be truthful about being more loyal to Stansbury than the program instead of lying about it.

 

[jamdawg96]

You suggested that Hood might've stayed had we retained Stansbury. I'm saying there is no way in hell that would've happened. Hood saw the writing on the wall weeks after being on campus. You've now suggested that Stansbury was competitive even in his worst years, but that's not true either.

MAYBE if we make a home run hire, Hood stays. Maybe. But I'm pretty sure if we could've lured in a big name, we would have.

If Ray can't recruit talent to suit his style, the tides will turn on him just like they did on Stansbury. Bitching about it now is pointless, though. We gambled on giving Stansbury more time and we lost. He's one of the nicest guys I ever encountered while covering the SEC for three years in radio, but he was wayyy out of touch... and barely even tried to keep up. He recruited a lot of high talent, low character guys that he never had a chance of winning over in a locker room. We'd be just as bad off right now if he were our coach, with a ****** team attitude to boot. NO THANKS.

 

[Coach34]

Query: we just finished an indoor practice facility. Anything involving renovating the Hump will either require massive contributions or be done under the auspices of spending money to make money. It's not like Stansbury made off with university laptops or film equipment.
What exactly does Ray need designated funds for in order to win?

is this a trick question?

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I can't say I disagree with your logic in this post. I just offered and opinion as to why a lot of them are slow to resume the flow of money until they see something they want to invest in. I am quite sure there are several who have the attitude you are talking about. I am also sure there are a lot of them looking at the basketball program donations like they would a stock investment.

Either way, as far as I am concerned this subject of our current basketball status is ridiculous to be arguing about. As I said once before, WE all got us here. Stan, Ray, Scott, Fans and boosters have all played a part in this current state of our program. Anyone who wants to put all the blame on any one person is just fooling themselves.

One last thing folks... it took a while to get here, it's gonna take a while to get out. I am not going to chastise anyone for not giving simply because I don't have enough money to even pay attention. If I did though, I would invest simply just to bank on our University's future as a whole. We have come a long, long way.

 

[Paperdog]

I can't even believe I am going to get into this .....

I have physically watched every minute of all four MSU games this season. I was not sold on the Rick Ray hire when it took place. However, we play hard and the team is very well-coached. There is no question we made a major upgrade in the coaching department.

Stansbury could recruit (albeit sometimes by cutting a corner or two). We will see what Ray is made of in the next couple of years on the recruiting trail.

This may be an improvement or it may be step back. However, we are asking Ray to be competitive in a very very weak conference. So let's give it some time to see if it succeeds.

This not on Stricklin. This is on Stansbury. He should have not allowed Renardo to fly back from Hawaii. Had that dumb *** been let go on that trip, Stansbury would still be the coach.

And yes, Hood was gone, even if Phil Jackson was our coach this season.

 

[missouridawg]

This may be an improvement or it may be step back.

This is the whole thing to me... I was to the point that I knew what Stansbury brought to the table and it wasn't what I wanted. By keeping Stansbury, we weren't taking any steps. I was ready for us to at least try to take a step... and if it was backward, then so be it. We knew Stansbury wasn't going forward. What we did was a gamble to go forward... and I was completely ok with it.

 

[johnson86-1]

Is it really that they're being loyal to Stansbury, or is it that they disagreed with the decision? Doesn't make a huge difference, but if I was giving big money, and I thought the program was doing something stupid, I'd be much more likely to cut back. Not out of spite, but just b/c there's no point in giving money that's poorly managed.

I would have definitely cut back if Crooms had been allowed to stay another year; no amount of money would have been enough to make up for his coaching, so why not save it until it can make a difference. The big difference here is that it was arguable whether Stansbury should get another year, and there's no reason to think Ray is incompetent, but if I would be hesitant to give big money to a program if I didn't trust how it was being managed. I disagree with those that think Stansbury should have gotten another year, but it's their money and if they think we're doing stupid things (which I also disagree with although I am sure I'm not paying attention as closely as them), I can't fault them for not being as eager to give.

 

[00Dawg]

Well according to Stricklin, we're doing things differently this time around, so anyone insinuating Stansbury paid players can't be looking for similar support for Ray, right? Right?

 

[121Josey]

Tenure - you're wrong on all points

In fact, I stated that it was time for him to go.

My point was that this team is hard to watch. In Stans' worst years, we were still competetive. The hiring process sucked. Hiring somebody that nobody had heard of hurt recruiting. Ray's need to establish that this was his team and sending Grant packing hurt recruiting. Brooks was kept on because he had the least ties to Stansbury. And since he has ran off half of our remaining scholarship players. All of this combined makes us hard to watch. That was my point. I would rather watch a lifetime movie with the wife, it is guaranteed to be more suspenseful.

1. Hood was gone from Christmas break forward.

2. You must not remember the first years of the Stan's era 1997-2000. We sucked! The NC game the other night reminded me of getting skull-drug by Wake Forest and Tim Duncan after everyone bailed after the Final 4. Oh, but you didn't see that. You waited until we went #1 in 2004 before the wife let you play with the remote.

3. Rick Ray was not unheard of. He's known in recruiting circles for giving schools the best classes they've ever had. Stans could recruit also. He just couldn't develop talent. Jury is still out on Ray.

4. 17 competitive. NC is out of our league with Stans. You mean that you only pull for a team when they win? Go pull for Notre Dame and Duke you bandwagon jumper!

 

[FreeDawg]

Coach is right and the Ray hire alone proves it. Stricklin wasn't just trying to distance himself from Stans but also his pissy pants booster backers. They were combative of Stricklin ever since he got in the AD chair. If we would have hired the Kentucky assistant, it would have been more of the same. The MSU basketball boosters had gotten to powerful and Strick made a move away from them plain and simple. But as others have posted, if Ray can't recruit, we're toast. Hopefully he can but ill give him a chance to

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

You can't say for certain that Hood leaves if Stansbury stays...I know 34 says that was a done deal, but I'm not sure if I buy it. Plus Gray would have still been on board. Players don't get kicked off the team...maybe we at least compete.

But I digress, it was probably best for MSU basketball long term to end it with Stans. But when they Ray hire was announced, a collective "Who the 17 is Rick Ray?" could be heard from the MSU fanbase, players, recruits, and their families; and I think that as well as the assistants he chose to bring back/not bring back cost us in recruiting.

Granted, Stans was really good at keeping guys from transferring...**

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Coach, I wasn't going to chime in here because it is your normal ******** and you would rather blame me or anybody else who supported Stansbury. I can assure you my contributions have not dropped one dime and your ridiculous post stating Rick Ray hasn't been given everything he needs is a farce. Rick Ray inherited a great practice facility and I know of few people who have lowered their contributions. Now some didn't buy season tickets but it is pretty evident why, this team won't win many games and most folks could see that. I would question how many tickets the Stans bashers bought? I would think very few so that dog won't hunt. Rick Ray has 3 years to get us competitive and if we aren't, then it is nobody's fault but his own because we have dominated Mississippi in recruiting in the past and if he doesn't recruit like Stans did, then we made a bad decision on the coaching change. I do know this, as bad as some years were with Stans and Williams, I rarely saw a team have more turnovers than field goals. Just sit back and the board will watch your posts in the next 3 years and it isn't very hard to figure out your agenda. It also doesn't take a basketball expert to figure out that we are still playing a street ball mentality and I don't see you mentioning one thing about our offensive execution and that was an every day event in the past 14 years. It is one thing to understand we are limited offensively but we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching. You can't have it both ways.

I'm thankful for guys Dawgbreeze, the Rulas, the Miskellys, the Iupes, and many others through the years that have given their money to help State basketball succeed. I can't tell you how much I and others appreciate it. BUT:

Those boosters that sit there pissed off because you didn't get your way this time and lie to people bother me. When you stop giving your monetary support and give the new coach less to work with- yet hold him to the same standard- you are not keeping an open mind, nor are you hoping he succeeds. I'd rather Dawgbreeze just say "17 yeah I'm still pissed off about it and I'm not giving any money towards the program because of it." At least then he would be truthful about being more loyal to Stansbury than the program instead of lying about it.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Coach, I wasn't going to chime in here because it is your normal ******** and you would rather blame me or anybody else who supported Stansbury. I can assure you my contributions have not dropped one dime and your ridiculous post stating Rick Ray hasn't been given everything he needs is a farce. Rick Ray inherited a great practice facility and I know of few people who have lowered their contributions. Now some didn't buy season tickets but it is pretty evident why, this team won't win many games and most folks could see that. I would question how many tickets the Stans bashers bought? I would think very few so that dog won't hunt. Rick Ray has 3 years to get us competitive and if we aren't, then it is nobody's fault but his own because we have dominated Mississippi in recruiting in the past and if he doesn't recruit like Stans did, then we made a bad decision on the coaching change. I do know this, as bad as some years were with Stans and Williams, I rarely saw a team have more turnovers than field goals. Just sit back and the board will watch your posts in the next 3 years and it isn't very hard to figure out your agenda. It also doesn't take a basketball expert to figure out that we are still playing a street ball mentality and I don't see you mentioning one thing about our offensive execution and that was an every day event in the past 14 years. It is one thing to understand we are limited offensively but we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching. You can't have it both ways.

A coaching staff of John Wooden, Bobby Knight and Coach K couldn't take the six legitimate players we took to Hawaii and have offensive execution. That's just another typical backhanded slap at our non-Stansbury coach who must not invite you to the locker room very often.

And I would like to note the use of the word "still" in your post, which indicates that what we have been doing is street ball, which is 100% correct despite your protests to the opposite for so long. And "we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching." Yes, yes it is. And it has been for 14 years. At least Rick Ray has a semi-legitimate excuse of having no players to work with. You know what Coach Ray did talk about earlier this month? Installing zone offense at practice. You remember zone offense, right? We haven't seen any for so damn long you might not recognize it, and it wasn't a priority for Stansbury to install before the Rider opener several years back, when they made us look stupid with a 2-3. Shocking how many teams did that.

When your nurse brings you your turkey and dressing milkshake tomorrow, ask yourself what you are going to do to help Rick Ray succeed in your self-imposed three year window. If it's one iota less than you have been doing for Stans, then you are pathetic.

 

[Coach34]

A coaching staff of John Wooden, Bobby Knight and Coach K couldn't take the six legitimate players we took to Hawaii and have offensive execution. That's just another typical backhanded slap at our non-Stansbury coach who must not invite you to the locker room very often.

And I would like to note the use of the word "still" in your post, which indicates that what we have been doing is street ball, which is 100% correct despite your protests to the opposite for so long. And "we are sloppy as hell on offense and that is coaching." Yes, yes it is. And it has been for 14 years. At least Rick Ray has a semi-legitimate excuse of having no players to work with. You know what Coach Ray did talk about earlier this month? Installing zone offense at practice. You remember zone offense, right? We haven't seen any for so damn long you might not recognize it, and it wasn't a priority for Stansbury to install before the Rider opener several years back, when they made us look stupid with a 2-3. Shocking how many teams did that.

When your nurse brings you your turkey and dressing milkshake tomorrow, ask yourself what you are going to do to help Rick Ray succeed in your self-imposed three year window. If it's one iota less than you have been doing for Stans, then you are pathetic.

what he said

you bitching about offense with leftover last minute recruits, walk-ons, and all the injuries just shows your agenda.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

Good Point 00Dawg

But I find this comical because how much did Coach 34 Dawg from Auburn and the Stansbashers do to help him in 14 years? I would summize that by bashing him 365 days a year on message boards they hurt him a million times more than anybody has hurt Coach Ray. Coach Ray has 3 years to get us into the dance and that was coach's criteria for Rick Stansbury and then God forbid he lose in the first round because that was failure with Coach and DawgfromAuburn's so-called agenda. When we are still talking about getting above the .500 mark in the SEC let's see how they like this change. I hope I am wrong but so far from all reports we are behind on all the top Mississippi prospects for the future and until I see Coach Ray and his staff sign some SEC players, I will remain skeptical. Now, if coach doesn't like that honest assessment, then so be it.

Well according to Stricklin, we're doing things differently this time around, so anyone insinuating Stansbury paid players can't be looking for similar support for Ray, right? Right?

 

[KurtRambis4]

To be fair

you are doing/have done the same thing.

 

[99jc]

The problem I have with Ray was his apathetic attitude toward recruiting. We will also have 3-4 year of his croomestic coaching for many of you realize how bad Scott 17'ed up in this hire!

 

[HotMop]

I was a huge Stansbury fan but he continually embarrassed the university with his recruiting practices. It got to the point of being a plane embarrassment. How many questionable recruits can one guy get without it finally coming back to bite him in the ***? Not just that, good players jumping ship every year? What was that all about?

 

[patdog]

Couldn't agree more. I used to be a big Stan's fan. But he tuned us into a national lulaughing stock. And his teams kept getting less and less competitive. Looking back, he should have "retired" after the fight in Hawaii.

 

[Coach34]

The problem I have with Ray was his apathetic attitude toward recruiting. We will also have 3-4 year of his croomestic coaching for many of you realize how bad Scott 17'ed up in this hire!

apathetic recruiting? Didnt we have 4 early signees the other day? How exactly is that apathetic?

Croomestic coaching? We already looked better coached than we did under Stansbury and he has Freshmen and walk-ons out there

You're post was totally idiotic. There is no way in hell you can judge the guy at this point, and I'm encouraged by things I've seen.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

So now that he is gone, the message board's "agenda" had an impact? Funny, because I remember you telling me it didn't matter one bit what was said on this board. But when you need to change your argument, well now apparently Coach and I mobilized the entire MState nation and convinced Stricklin that he had to pull the trigger. I had no idea I was so powerful. I will utilize this power more judiciously from here on out.

Bottom line: If you or anyone is withholding any kind of support from Coach Ray for any reason (hurt feelings, lack of access, truly disagree with the direction he wants to take the program), then your ego - not my meaningless six pack posts - is what is holding us back.

 

[Dog316]

I love all these statements:

"Coach 34 and his buddies lambasted Stansbury and MSU basketball way before Renardo Sidney ever got here. Now we are going to see if change is any better "

"I like other posters and MSU supporters would love to see MSU basketball succeed but if it doesn't, then the blame is clearly on Scott Striklin and those critics who forgot how hard it is to win here. "

"If indeed that happens, then look no farther than Coach34 and his tribunal because the wanted change and it may be a lot like Obama's."

Dawgbreeze and his cronies hope we succeed? Then why have you guys pulled so much of your monetary support? If you really want to support the program and really do hope we succeed, why not give Ray the same chance and support you were giving Stansbury each season? Is Ray supposed to do more with less?

Stansbury left the program in a mess, you guys have pulled thousands and thousands of dollars of support away from the program, but you are going to "see if change is any better" and "love to see MSU basketball succeed".....and if somehow it isnt any better in a year or two- you already know who you plan to blame things on....sounds like a plan to me

I know what we should do the end this debate! Fire Ray and hire the only coach with perfect knowledge of the game. Nobody knows more than Coach 34. With his silver tongue he will quell the riot, with his perfect game strategy the offense and defense will move flawlessly, with his recruiting prowess he will bring in the five star players, with his ability to manage the minds of his teenage players he will instill perfect discipline (you will not see even one fight in his first fourteen years and if there is one it won't be on tv), with his ability to motivate his super star players you will never have to worry about them not playing their hearts out. And most importantly Coach 34 will not only win the SEC Championship every year (which is actually meaningless) he will have us playing in the NCAA Tournament every year, probably well past the Sweet Sixteen. After all we are Missisippi State, we have a very affluent fan base in a highly populated state loaded with basketball talent with no real competition within the state or from the surrounding states, and we have a national name recognition that allows us to recruit all across this great nation of ours. And remember Coach 34 can pull every thing together quickly because it only takes about 7 or 8 players to have a championship team. He is the only answer, because he has all the answers! Hire him now and shut him up.

Go State!

 

[Coach34]

So now that he is gone, the message board's "agenda" had an impact? Funny, because I remember you telling me it didn't matter one bit what was said on this board. But when you need to change your argument, well now apparently Coach and I mobilized the entire MState nation and convinced Stricklin that he had to pull the trigger. I had no idea I was so powerful. I will utilize this power more judiciously from here on out.

Bottom line: If you or anyone is withholding any kind of support from Coach Ray for any reason (hurt feelings, lack of access, truly disagree with the direction he wants to take the program), then your ego - not my meaningless six pack posts - is what is holding us back.

He cant comprehend that most people realized it was time for Stansbury to go. It really doesn't matter what Rick Ray ultimately does- Stansbury had to go- the basketball program was embarrassing the University. If Ray doesn't work out- then Stricklin made a bad hire- it doesn't mean that a change wasn't needed.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

He cant comprehend that most people realized it was time for Stansbury to go. It really doesn't matter what Rick Ray ultimately does- Stansbury had to go- the basketball program was embarrassing the University. If Ray doesn't work out- then Stricklin made a bad hire- it doesn't mean that a change wasn't needed.

Correct, but geezer is setting himself up to be able to claim that we shouldn't have fired Stans if Coach Ray is not successful. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he wants us to rehire Stans if Coach Ray doesn't work out.