Dayton per Wachtel Saturday 330
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It’s on topic because it shows all posters what your opinion is worth. If you were coach, you would have banished two time DPOY to St Johns
Its 1 of 2 resume metrics generally used. Average of KPI and SOR. RU's Predictive Metrics are much stronger. Sample Teamsheet link attached
I didn’t listen to his podcast but I remembered he was a former Ru staffer and started following him on Twitter 2-3 years ago. Last year he never gave us credit for the 4 straight ranked wins as an unranked team ( something that never ever has happened so I would think one would highlight that when tweeting about resume. ). Instead he focused on Lafayette and our NET on every tweet. I called him out for it and asked why he wasn’t more balanced. Never happened.
So this year comes and after our early injuries things are rolling we are 16-7 and beat Purdue and NW on the road , 2 things he always highlighted about saying we didn’t win on the road . On February 4 , every bracketologist had us as a 5/6. Brad has tweeted almost tweet since then with a negative connotation. He also was quick to drop our seed line from 5/6 to 10/11 to last team in range despite not doing that to other teams that were faltering like Iowa State and Tennessee , who have hardly dropped like 2 seed lines despite their losing streaks . He dropped Ru 5/6 lines an undue harsh punishment and I called him out for his inconsistency. Every tweet about Rutgers is almost totally negative or at best neutral over the last 2-3 weeks.
Anyone trying to get a following or a part of bracketmatrix , when they are inconsistent and doesn’t do their homework, should be called out or challenged to show their work or reasoning. Brad’s response is I will only post negative things and avoid talking about positive things. That doesn’t sit right , does it?
What we might’ve been on Feb 4 is irrelevant it’s not a tangible thing.
Think you’re being harsh. Guy is obviously pro RU and one if the best in the business.
The guy has Providence in over us despite a record of 3-7 against likely teams in tournament versus Rutgers being 7-8. It’s silly to rate strength of out of conference schedule without considering total strength of schedule including in league.
But he did consider total strength of schedule. What are you talking about? SOR takes that into account.
What do you mean others warts aren’t being highlighted?
compared to teams Rutgers is around right now who is getting a pass? Nc state has zero q3+4 losses the reason they're even in play for Dayton is they only have 1 q1 win and 3 total vs field, Pitt may get sent to Dayton because of their q4 home loss to fsu, Clemson is likely to be the first team left out with a winning q1+2 record because of their bad losses, Utah state doesn't have great wins but they're top 20 net and could end up in Dayton because of the lack of wins.
I get the impression that he is on the board and takes cues off what is being discussed here. The Mag injury and how that affects our placement has been discussed in a number of threads. Any other “bracketologists” throwing that out as a metric?
Lol no one cares about these boards except us.
You don’t live in reality and it shows. Basically every bracketologist has us as either getting one of the last byes or in Dayton. Sorry if this offends you.
They do buddy. If they didn’t Rutgers wouldn’t be dancing at all.
I know his background and because of that I think he is overcompensating so if he has a pro RU tweet people will look him up and see he is a RU staffer . What is harsh is his treatment of Rutgers this year !!!Any pro would be balanced listing pros and cons together. Unless you think posting only negative stuff in the 2 weeks leading up to Marsh Madness is being a “ PRO”
We are in 104/108 sheets on bracket matrix. Games today so far have only helped that. So if a bracket isn’t updated, it would only help us - not hurt. Last one left is UAB.
Providence has just 3 wins vs schools in field. 7-10 in Q1/2....14 wins from Q3/4...10 wins in Q4 Their average kpi/sor which Brad always likes to highlight is 55.5 to RU 54.5
RU 40 in net vs 56
Fact its there are alot of anti Rutgers guys out there doing bracketology...many of them have their own biases. Brad does not have to go out of his way to overcompensate. Its very close with respect to Dayton for RU. I can see either way. I dont see what Mississippi State has done that is better than RU win wise.
also if you think there isnt lobbying out there you are mistaken, committee does look at the matrix even though they shouldnt be glancing at all
Idk he clearly states the reasons for why he has RU in DAYTON. He wouldn’t list the positives as a reason why they’re in Dayton. If the tweet was whey he has RU in the FIELD than the tweet would include the highlights.
Rutgers also has a lot more negatives (to go along with more positives) than most bubble teams so it might SEEEM like more negative thighs are being said.
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the negative is mainly about the 4 Q3
we dont know how the committee will look at that
we do know RU has an outstanding win as well as a total of 7 wins including 2 vs Penn State who almost no one gave credit for winning when we beat them.
also Brad has basically dismissed the idea of the tribal advantage from the Ohio State game
we dont know how the committee will look at that
we do know RU has an outstanding win as well as a total of 7 wins including 2 vs Penn State who almost no one gave credit for winning when we beat them.
also Brad has basically dismissed the idea of the tribal advantage from the Ohio State game
There is no reason for the committee to directly correlate the 2 things this way. We went through a rough patch of games. There are ebbs and flows for all teams in a season. It happens. Just like the team went through it last year early when we lost to Lafayette. Mag doesn’t stand out as a lost star impact player on the roster.
Good thing the clocks go ahead tomorrow. Selection Sunday Show can’t come soon enough!
SOR takes it into account but he never mentioned that Rutgers has 31st toughest schedule in country compared to Providence 46
Fwiw he has Rutgers and providence ranked right next to each other. s SOR says Rutgers didn’t perform as well against the 31st toughest schedule than others would’ve.
Talking thin margins here of course - which is the reason there really shouldn’t be the outrage that people have been saying.
why cant he tweet out the scenario where RU gets a 10 seed or first 11'
remember the net is 40 and the kenpom which you use to love is solid at 35
Why would he tweet out what he doesn’t think will happen?
It’s very close for sure.
because it could happen....most guys were ripping Rutgers last year for the 77 net
But of course with SOR, never losing by more than 13 ( and only twice at that) doesn’t matter.
But of course it’s infinitely better to lose Q1 games at Tenn by 34 points than lose a close one to a Q3 opponent, right? Keeps that resume nice and clean..
But of course it’s infinitely better to lose Q1 games at Tenn by 34 points than lose a close one to a Q3 opponent, right? Keeps that resume nice and clean..
If you have the 31st overall SOS weighting the OOC SOS makes zero sense. You played a very tough schedule all year. It gives outweighed importance to a minority of games
Those PSU wins were pretty much disregarded last week. We were on a losing streak and looked miserable. What a difference a week makes
Though you’re being funny I think there’s truth to what you’re disagreeing with.
I mean - in all seriousness, suppose we were scheduled to play Gonzaga instead of Lafayette that day last year. We would’ve lost by 40. Would that have been a quality loss?
He has Providence avoiding Dayton and in my opinion it shouldn’t be close between our resume and Providence
Not sure the best way to answer, but my thought process generally is a 40 pt result, either way (win or lose) is less representative of the two teams real quality than a competitive game that one team is “supposed” to win by 25.
Reason being for better or worse both teams in scenario 1 are checked out way before the game gets to 40, when in the latter scenario both teams are likely attempting to play their best ball.
Whether that should matter I don’t know. Certainly as literally translated it’s not. But I would consider this and would think committee might. Not sure how high of importance the committee puts on the overall NET relative to the rest of the team sheet but that’s another discussion.
You’re singling our Brad but do you realize he has Providence one spot ahead of RU while the rest of the top 100 bracketologists have Providence 3 spots ahead of RU on average?
Trying to figure out what OOC SOS should matter at all when our overall SOS is #39. Utah State should be in over us for having an OOC SOS 10 spots higher but an overall SOS of like 200 to our 39?? They would be 10-19 with our same schedule. It’s complete BS that Watchel all he ever focuses on is OOC SOS like it’s the #1 thing to grade teams on when in reality whether we went 18-13 or 0-31 this year the OOC SOS is exactly the same !!!