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How does DawgatAuburn's comments look now? .... Listen to Cubs fans. We know these things.
 

dawgatUSM

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How does DawgatAuburn's comments look now? .... Listen to Cubs fans. We know these things.
 

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1) How to get the fans involved. (Bartman) 2) How to blow out young arms. 3) How to be a lovable loser, and like it. 4) Obviously, how to choke in October.
 

missouridawg

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dawgatauburn's comments still look absolutely ridiculous...

He stated that we'd lose because of our pitching.... and that is 100% not the case. We've completely and totally out-hit the dodgers through the first two games, yet we can't seem to get those runners home. It has nothing to do with our pitching... and everything to do with timely hitting.

So after re-analyzing his comments, I still stand very firm on my stance that he's a complete moron.

Also, SpikeTV just named the Chicago Cubs that worst fans in ANY sports acorss the entire world. Congratulations on finally winning something.
 

RebelBruiser

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You start the season in April. You play for 6 months, playing 5 or 6 days a week during that stretch.

You finally get the reward of making the playoffs, and then every year there are a handful of teams whose celebration of a 6 month long season of success is ended in 4 days.

It's a buzzkill of a season/postseason. It'll never happen because baseball is such a stats-driven sport, but if I had my way, you'd shorten the season to 4 months and just over 100 games. The playoffs would take place in August (prior to college football season). And every series would be 7 games. Other than that, I like the postseason format. The regular season is just too long, and the value of single games and series are not as big. The regular season loses a lot of its drama with the length of the season.
 

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why dont' we make it a 7inning game so these poor men can stay under a 100 pitch count and we can still setup and close a game out /sarcasm

Baseball has just about turned into tennis
 

DowntownDawg

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...at the very least, shorten the season by 2 games and let the first playoff series be 7. It is absolutely ridiculous to talk about magic numbers and winning the division for 6 months only to have your season end in 3 days.
 

hatfieldms

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I dont think the season should be shortened, but I do think they could add a few double headers in each year to shorten the season by a week or so.
 

8dog

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cut it to 100 games and let 8 teams in the playoffs in each league.
 

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shorten the season, but start it later. October is for the MLB playoffs and i'm not a baseball fan.
 

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missouridawg said:
It has nothing to do with our pitching... and everything to do with timely hitting....

Also, SpikeTV just named the Chicago Cubs that worst fans in ANY sports acorss the entire world. Congratulations on finally winning something.
yesterday's game had more to do with Holliday trying to catch the ball with his junk rather than with his glove. Nice play. Wondering how long he had to ice down his jewels after the game.

P.S. WTF does Spike TV know about anything other than whether or not fake boobs float and how many times a day a dude thinks about getting laid (that Manswers show sucks)?
 

patdog

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8 teams is pushing it. You let more than 1/3 of the teams in any league make the playoffs and the regular seasons are almost a waste of time.
 

8dog

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the regular season as it stands is generally a waste of time. Most races aren't close near the end of the year. How great would it be to see teams jockeying for those last 4 wild card slots? It keeps more teams playing hard all year.

And allowing more than 1/3 of the teams in seems to work fine for the NFL.
 

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RebelBruiser said:
You finally get the reward of making the playoffs, and then every year there are a handful of teams whose celebration of a 6 month long season of success is ended in 4 days.
As opposed to the NFL, where your great season is ruined by one game, not 3 or 4?

I understand your point about the long season, but the NFL is, too. For the players themselves, it really starts right after the draft and doesn't stop till January.

NOTE: I don't have a problem with either the MLB or the NFL.
 

patdog

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Expanding to 8 teams per league wouldn't change the number of teams jockying for the final playoff spot, it'd just change the number of teams that lock up a playoff spot (effectively if not mathmatically) a month before the season ends. As for the NFL, they let 37.5% of their teams into the playoffs. That's a little too many, but it's marginal. You're asking MLB to let 53.3% of its teams in the playoffs (57% in the AL). You'd be guaranteeing that teams with losing records make the playoffs. That's something you never see in the NFL.
 

8dog

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in baseball, if you are out in 3 games, that is 1.8% of the regular season to eliminate you.

in football, if you are out in 1 game, that is 6.25% of the regular season to eliminate you.

so football is over 3 times better in their method.
 

jcdawgman18

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I was generally just thinking in terms of in the football postseason there is no room for error, whereas in baseball you can lose twice 8 games and still win the world series.
 

patdog

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I do think it's ridiculous for baseball to have the 1st round be best 3 of 5 and the other 2 rounds be best 4 of 7. Just go ahead and make all 3 rounds the same.

Edit to add: I also agree with the original poster that the baseball regular season is way too damn long. Did anybody see the weather forecast for the Rockies playoff game? High 20s with a 20% chance of snow.
 

8dog

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would have made it this year.

Secondly, making the playoffs would mean something, but it would also include more teams. For a league that doesn't have the parity of the NFL, mainly b/c of lack of salary cap, they need to do something to get fans and small market teams into the game.

And the wild card race would be heightened as you jockey for position. Let intra-division teams play each other in the first round. in other words, seed the teams.

How bad would the NCAA tourney suck if it were just 8 teams?
 

patdog

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I checked and no team with a losing record would have made the playoffs last year either. And in 2007, only 1 team with a losing record would have. I didn't go back any further. I still think 8 playoff teams is plenty, because like the other poster said, that's perfect. And you can't do any better than perfect.
 

hatfieldms

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Sorry, I didnt realize I needed to explain that damn near cutting the season in half and watering down the play offs at the same time would be a terrible idea. There is absolutely no reason for more than 50% of the teams to be in the playoffs
 

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.......to have 2 wild cards, that play each other in a 1-game play-in game prior to the NLDS. Have to either use their not-best pitcher, or burn their ace, giving the advantage back to the division winners.

a 7-game NLDS is a must. MLB just doesn't want to add more games, but IMO if any team wants to play less games cut a couple spring training games, or heaven-forbid, rest your stars a little more during the season.
 

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tilla said:
1) How to get the fans involved. (Bartman) 2) How to blow out young arms. 3) How to be a lovable loser, and like it. 4) Obviously, how to choke in October September.
While the Cubs have a national following, Chicago's not yet proven that they can consistently play well enough to choke in October. Considering the team's following and obvious passion of its fans, I'm surprised that they've not done better.
 

jmbeck

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How bad would the NCAA tourney suck if it were just 8 teams?
64 teams out of 347 schools = 18.4%

Expanding any further with a best of 7 (or 5) series would make the playoffs damned near as bad as the regular season.

That would basically add another month to the playoff. People wouldn't give a ****.
 

missouridawg

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To defend a few things I've stated...

First, I do not find Spike TV credible in anything. The comment was more of a dig at the Cubs finally win something. I don't even watch Spike TV... I just happened to have heard their top 10 worst fanbases on the radio going to work this week. The list included all English Premiere League fans... two Canadien NHL teams... Duke Basketball... Red Sox Baseball... and the grand prize winner of the Chicago Cubs.

To continue the discussion of the playoffs and regular season... I really wish they'd find a way to end the season before football started. Baseball, in general, becomes so irrevelant once football comes into play. But to shorten the season would completely through baseball for a loop and lose a lot of interest... Baseball's main interest comes from stats... and to shorten the season would eliminate all the fun in watching someone try to hit 50 homers (or 60 or 70) in a season...

To get back to the Cards/Dodgers... It does suck to watch Holliday miss that ball... but I don't fault him for it. If you watch the replay, about a step before the ball gets to him, something happens (which I assume is him losing sight of it)... Of course I'd love for him to make that play, I understand that those things happen.... What I really wish, is that Franklin would have gotten just ONE of the next 3 batters out to end the game.

Another point that hasn't been made yet is the rookie base running mistake in the 7th inning by Rasmus. Had he stayed at second (instead of trying to stretch his RBI double into a triple) he would've scored on a single by the next batter... which puts the cards up 3-1 and completely changes the dynamic of the last few innings.

Now STL has to hope that Pineiro can extend the series Saturday... and then give the ball to the best one-two punch in the NL and hope they can score more than 2 runs.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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But I don't really want to get into it. It is just too many playoff teams. I think there should be 6 per league at the most if there is going to be a change. That would at least give teams like Baltimore and Toronto in top heavy divisions a fighting chance.

I like the idea of more double-headers to shorten the overall length of the season, but I think it should stay at 162. If you did one doubleheader a week for each team, you could shorten the season by at least a week and a half and throw in the additional 2 playoff teams per league - and the World Series stays at about the same time.

I also think your percentage breakdown is a little flawed. You actually get 5 games, not 3. If you get swept in 3, you deserve to go home. Plus, I am no mathematician, but I think the fact that you get one crack at it in football should be weighted against the fact that you get (at least) 3 chances to win in baseball. If you win one of the first 3, the percentages change.
 

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in the NCAA basketball season that have a legit chance of doing anything in the tourney? 347 schools are not competing for those bids. Its really about 100-120 schools competing for 40 or so spots.

It would not add another month to the playoffs b/c the season would be shortened under my scenario.

My main point about the NCAA tourney is that the more teams the better.

I don't think letting 16 teams in the playoffs in baseball would make de-emphasize the regular season.
 

8dog

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they try to support their side of the argument with something.

Hell, the NBA lets more than 50% of the teams in the playoffs.

You just have so many teams that are playing out the string for the last third of the season. Either give them something to play for or end their misery.

And at best, make this **** interesting.

I used to love baseball, but its just so boring compared to what the sports world has to offer now.
 

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Here's my problem with the playoffs. They space it out too much. Teams spend all season playing stretches of baseball on a guestimated average of about nine at a time without an off day. Get a few early rainouts like the Cubs did this year and you might find yourself playing in the mid-teens or more consecutively.

However, when the playoffs start it's off day off day off day.

Look at this year's schedule.

The Yankees only back to back ALDS games will be games 3-4 if the Twins sack up and win one. If it goes five games, it will take eight days to play with three off days. The Red Sox play only have seven days to fit in their five games, but the also started a day after everyone else. The two NL series play four games in five days in two cities, but then have another off day before game fives would be played. Like Boston, that's seven games in five days.

In the ALCS and NLCS they get 10 days to play seven games. It's a 2-3-2 format, so there will be back to back games at the top seed's home park, then a travel day, then back to back games, then an unnecessary off day, then a game, another travel day, and back to back games. Somehow in the regular season teams play in back to back days but we can't in the playoffs?? Both leagues go three days with only one game right in the middle of the series.

So the World Series must be the same, right? Nope. Take out the off day in the middle and you have 7 games in 9 days with only the two travel days figured in.

I am sure that this all done for Fox so they can have a game every night. There are only two days for certain when there will be two games per day and one more possible. It just seems a bit too drawn out, and it starts with the first round.
 

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And every series would be 7 games.
Baseball is the most random of any of the major sports. Winning just 60% of your games is considered an outstanding season. In the last 10 seasons, fewer than 8% of the teams have won at least 97 games (60%). Winning 60% of your games in any other sport is mediocre.

You need more games to find the "best". That's why a 5-game series is ridiculous.

Is 162 games too many for the regular season? Maybe. But 100 isn't enough, either.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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What we really need is realignment though. 6 teams in the NL central and 4 in the AL West? DMNDS.
 

8dog

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b/c most people find the actual game boring. I don't know that anyone would be more interested in it anymore if they had 4 teams or 20 teams in the playoffs. I think there is a large faction of baseball fans that would be more drawn to the game if they would just change up the format of the season.

You are just a purist.

I used to think I was until I just quit watching the game altogether unintentionally.

That's why I love college baseball, even when its not State...every game can have an impact.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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A sweep is a sweep. I you get swept, it is going to have an impact. I just don't buy the whole, "the season is too long and then you can get put out in 3 games, its boring, yada yada" talk. I love MLB, I pay attention to every day of the regular season. I am also a fantasy baseball genius, and you know this, man.

If I could change anything about baseball, it would be the following:
1) I do think 4 is too few and 8 is too many, but I would like to see additional playoff teams added.
2) Realignment, balance the divisions (nothing purist about that, it just needs to be done).
3) I mainly want to keep it at 162 so some of these *** clowns that are currently in the record books can be overtaken. I hate the Cardinals, but please keep hitting bombs Albert, you must surpass A-Rod and Bonds. You must.
4) Double-headers every Sunday or Monday. One day off per week, Monday or Tuesday (day after double header). That means you still get in 7 games every week, the season lasts 23.5 weeks and you can start the playoffs a week earlier.
 

8dog

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and I don't really care all that much about the 3-game deal. That's not even an argument of mine. I just wanted to crunch some nos.

Having said that, I would still have 7 game series.
 

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8Dog said:
they try to support their side of the argument with something.

Hell, the NBA lets more than 50% of the teams in the playoffs.

You just have so many teams that are playing out the string for the last third of the season. Either give them something to play for or end their misery.

And at best, make this **** interesting.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">I used to love baseball, but its just so boring compared to what the sports world has to offer now.</span>
So you used to love it when only 4 teams got in and even more were eliminated half way through the summer? Got ya. Now I see where you are coming from. Like I have said the only thing I would change is to add a few double headers each year to shorten the season by a week, and possible add one more WC team where the 2 would have to play a one game play off to determine who gets in. Besides that I would change nothing
 

8dog

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tv. Now you can pretty much watch anything from sports to other shows.

I think i said that.

Not to mention Im older and more discerning of how I spend my free time. Baseball just isn't really worth it anymore.