Did Eliot and Stoops just throw the entire defense under the bus?
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Don't doubt it, most of the time it is the player's fault.
Was the player not athletic or smart enough? Who recruited that player?
Did the player use poor judgement? Who instructed that player?
Did the player use poor fundamentals? Who taught that player?
Doesn't matter. If 85 guys are not performing after 4 years it all comes back to coaching.
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Spot on. Its their jobs to make sure they know how to make the plays.
Careful bpoe, don't you know it takes time to teach these things. pour some more gasoline in the dumpster. It ain't burning hot enough yet.
Apparently it now takes 5-6 years for a UK player to actually get what this staff is teaching...
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It's a very complicated defense. That's what they say. So why the hell are we not simplifying it for them if they haven't gotten it by now???
Stoops said they simplified it after the Florida game. And after this past game he said they will simplify it more. How big was the playbook? 5000 pages?
If the players can't make the play then it's not the perfect call. How stupid is this???
If simplifying the defense was the cause of our players not knowing where they were supposed to be lined up, I would just assume they go back to running their complicated schemes. At least you are set and look ready to defend at that point. So far doesn't really matter either way. There is not more excited team in practice this week in all of college football than the SC offense.
Maybe DJ's defensive scheme is good but just too complicated. In this era of hurry-up offenses, there isn't a lot of time to relay in the D signals and have the players react quickly enough.
The excuse train rolls on down the tracks...
The same people who are criticizing Stoops for making it about the players, did cartwheels when Mike Leach went on his tirade last week. 
Yes the play calling can be better. Yes the players need to make plays. It's not one guys fault. The TEAM is struggling!
The same people who are criticizing Stoops for making it about the players, did cartwheels when Mike Leach went on his tirade last week.
I want to hear that.
There is a reason DJ went upstairs and the headphones mysteriously cut off :scream:
During the open date after the 6th game, if the D has not show great improvement, I say swap House and Elliott. House has done wonders with Special teams, and he was the DC at both FIU and Pittsburg earlier !
Making the perfect call is a good thing. If the players don't have the size, strength and athletic ability to perform, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's gonna make the players go that extra mile for the coaches.
If you're gonna rip the players, do it on the practice field or in the locker room, not a damn press conference.
What a joke staff.
If you're gonna rip the players, do it on the practice field or in the locker room, not a damn press conference.
What a joke staff.
I will say it again . It's hard for me to believe that Louisvilles players are more "coachable" than ours . And it's obvious they know their scheme very well
Here is the deal...
Saban can rip players all day long. He has credibility. He has proven that his coaching works if he recruits and teaches players the right way.
CMS has zero credibility.
Take a team to a winning record then when players screw up call them out.
Until then it is difficult to believe that it's the players every single year you have been a coach...
Saban can rip players all day long. He has credibility. He has proven that his coaching works if he recruits and teaches players the right way.
CMS has zero credibility.
Take a team to a winning record then when players screw up call them out.
Until then it is difficult to believe that it's the players every single year you have been a coach...
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I agree , bpoe is being very microwave like .
We either have the dumbest players or the worst coaches. I'm thinking the latter. What a joke of a staff
This staff for sure lost some more players with that. This stafff sucks really hard!!
This all day and every day...
He bought the groceries, he cleaned the vegetables and fruits; he cut the meat; he cooked the meal and set the table with his best china...and now that it looks and tastes dogshit awful, it is someone else's fault.
smh, jsmh
They could really learn a lot listening to Cal. Cal takes the blame even when it's blatantly obvious he's not at fault probably 90 percent of the time. These bums do the exact opposite and then wonder why they're losing the team year in and year out.
The same people who are criticizing Stoops for making it about the players, did cartwheels when Mike Leach went on his tirade last week.
Leach is a proven winner. He has earned the right to call out his team's effort. Stoops hasn't proven anything other than he's in year 4 of his plan and all he's proven is that he's an above average recruiter.
I would say 8 years plus by the way things look. Even if we had a great D-line and O-line class come in this coming year it would still take 2-3 years to get enough strength and exp not to mention building depth. In theory that was what the first 4 years of the stoops era should have done.
A good staff recognizes it's personnel ' s strengths and weaknesses and then draws up plays that they can execute consistently that play to their strengths. Sometimes the other team just matches up better against a particular defense than another...look no further than the "close" games we have against Alabama v the complete annihilation Florida dealt us under SOS.
The same people who are criticizing Stoops for making it about the players, did cartwheels when Mike Leach went on his tirade last week.
I didn't do cartwheels (couldn't if I wanted to) but I did appreciate Leach's rant because
In post game he knew exactly what was wrong, who was wrong (although he didn't name names) and what it was going to take to fix it.
There was no "well we have to look at the film" before anything was said. He knew. I don't think ours really know until they look at film ... At least that is what lack of half time adjustments and lack of post game comments (except the blantantly obvious) seem to point to.
And there was no generic solution, no "we'll just work harder".
He knew exactly what he was going to do and didn't really care who knew... Especially his coaches and his players.
He also blamed himself and the coaches for treating the players one way thinking they could learn and handle things but after demonstrating they couldn't/wouldn't there would be a change with coaching and with the relationship with the players.
What Coach Stoops doesn't seem to understand is "working harder" implies more of the same.
Nothing is flawed but the effort. That may be true but I suspect there is more to it than that.
Leach's rant says our approach was wrong as coaches, so we are changing. As a result, what the players can expect when they hit the practice field (if not sooner) will be very different. So hang on.
There was specificity which indicates a) he knows what he is looking for, b) he knows what it looks like when he does not get it and c) he has a plan to achieve it.
I've yet to see/hear anything like that.
"We"re going to work harder" says I'm not sure but it sounds good. Believe me, irregardless of what you saw on the field I know what I'm doing.
If Dory in "Finding Nemo" was a football coach her catch phrase would be "just work harder, just work harder" (no offense to Dory).
The difference between Leach's rant and our coaches comments was when it was all said and done Leach threw everyone including himself under the bus.
Eliot on the other hand threw the players under the bus (we did the right thing, they didn't execute) and then Stoops ran over them again while Eliot watched.
Bear Bryant never won a game-his players did. His players never lost a game-he did.
That served him well over the years, cause he darn well didn't like losing.
Throwing players under the bus in some mentalities makes losing easier to accept.
That's why attitudes and program climates never change.
Yeah I would have cartwheeled if I could ...
I remember during the NIT year Cal made a comment something like "This team doesn't have the fight to win and thats on me" You will never hear Stoops say something like that.
Honestly you don't think the players EVER make a mistake? Interesting.
Sure they do. But if basically the entire defense is effing up play after play, that falls on the coaches. Clearly the coaching hasn't done anything for this group.
In the early Stoops years I would have disagreed with you totally because the players he acquired were terrible but now with his own kids, things are still falling apart on important 3th downs. I know leadership is a problem but as a coach you have to find a way to get through to your kids.
UK lack of quickness with the players they start or playing out of position or just not smart enough to play a 3-4 defense.
What I don't understand is that Stoops is a 4-3 guy so why play the 3-4.
The biggest play of the year was the dropped int against USM. When the ball hits the defender between the 2 and 4 it has to be made. That changed the entire momentum of game. He was in the perfect spot and failed to execute a play
How many times have we been at a ball carrier on third down, and not wrap up going for a big hit with the shoulder, and the receiver fall forward and get a first down.
Cal has said many times "we got open shots, we just didn't knock any down". (After wvu elite eight loss) is saying the exact same thing here. We got you open shots, you have to make them. Guys were in right position just not making the play
* not all the defense problems are on players, but they should take some of the blame. On this board Matt Elam sure gets enough of it.
How many times have we been at a ball carrier on third down, and not wrap up going for a big hit with the shoulder, and the receiver fall forward and get a first down.
Cal has said many times "we got open shots, we just didn't knock any down". (After wvu elite eight loss) is saying the exact same thing here. We got you open shots, you have to make them. Guys were in right position just not making the play
* not all the defense problems are on players, but they should take some of the blame. On this board Matt Elam sure gets enough of it.
Complicated defense?? Never heard of such a thing. Defense isn't nearly as complicated as offense. I've said it from the beginning. They need to just line and play football. His complicated crap clearly isn't fooling anybody but his own players