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jethreauxdawg

jethreauxdawg

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Should we trust the cheater or the rat? I'm going with cheater. So far, you can't prove Gurley lied about anything.
 
57stratdawg

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He's the biggest threat to Dak's Heisman chances, IMO. I wouldn't mind to see him miss a couple more games.
 
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Dawgtini

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I think what Chubb has been doing in his absence will hurt his chances. Shows that any good running back can make those yards.
 
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patdog

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Does the NCAA have a hard rule for how many games a player misses for a certain amount of illegal benefits? That doesn't sound like them at all. They're known for being wildly inconsistent from case to case.
 
Seinfeld

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Interesting, so I have to ask. Based on those guidelines, how in the world did Redmond's $2000 "discount" for a used car amount to a year and a half suspension? I don't think many would have argued all that much if they had simply gone with 5 games instead of 4, but the retroactive wiping away of his redshirted year was absolute ********.
 
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To me, THAT is why Bracky sucks. Anybody in compliance who's let our suspensions be this bad should not be in compliance if you compare similar situations at other institutions. Sidney was another one that was completely screwed up by this department and in a similar manner.
 
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Agreed. it's because we are still of the mindset that if we think it should be 2 games, we offer 4 to be sure they are happy. EVERY other school says "we think it should be 2, so we will offer 1." There has been a true hardball approach to the NCAA for the past 5 or so years that we have completely not adhered to.
 
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xxxWalkTheDawg

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Why not play him?

00Dawg said:
The NCAA rules say it's a 4-game suspension for receiving benefits in excess of $700, and we're only 2 games in, which is the penalty for amounts between $100 and $400.
The dealer has been pretty adamant that he paid thousands.
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FSU thumbed their nose at the NCAA and they aren't going to do jack. Gurley wouldn't have missed a game now or later if GA just said "prove it". The NCAA is now inept as a an oversight body and will do nothing unless you turn yourself in like Bracky loves to do.
 
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Dawgzilla

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They couldn't prove any money at all for Manziel, because the dealers wouldn't talk to the NCAA. The NCAA and A$M cut a deal where the NCAA didn't charge Manziel with anything, and the school voluntarily held him out for one half.
 
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Dawgzilla

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The guidelines are for "post enrollment" benefits received from third parties (i.e, not from boosters). In short, guys like Gurley are cashing in on their own fame, which is against NCAA rules but is hard to justify. Redmond's problem was a recruiting violation. He received benefits from a booster to entice him to sign with State, which is an entirely different issue.

I don't know how people are upset about Redmond's suspension. Jeebus, we had a booster giving him money during recruiting, and a coach who knew about it and didn't do anything to stop it. We were damn lucky to get off as light as we did, and even more lucky that Redmond is allowed to play for us at all. We fired the coach, turned ourselves in, and fully cooperated with the NCAA and that's the only reason we weren't severely punished.....

And I don't know what to say to those of you who wish we had just ignored it and hoped we didn't get caught. That's not the way things are going to be run with Stricklin in charge, and I'm proud of that.
 
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I see what you are saying, but don't forget Cam & Cecil Newton. What the NCAA did and didn't do in that situation changed my opinion of how we should respond to infractions. It still gets me angry thinking about it.
 
Seinfeld

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All fair points. I hadn't thought about some of the differences in pre-enrollment versus post-enrollment, but you're right that they're very different sets of circumstances.

Now I guess the question is... does the NCAA have a similar set of rules for pre-enrollment $$$? If so, I'd be interested to know whether those guidelines were followed with Redmond.
 
BulldogBlitz

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cool. coach loophole tells recruit, "sorry, we can't get you some cash right now... but during the season, you'll be able to sign a bunch of stuff and that dOOd will pad your wallet"
 
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Dawgzilla

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Bottom line with Cam was the NCAA could find no evidence that he got paid. That's critical. Everyone cheats, but you have to be able to prove it for the NCAA to do anything about it. That's also the difference between Gurley and the cases of Manziel and Winston. No one can prove Manziel or Winston got paid. UGA obviously got evidence Gurley was paid, and they had no choice but to sit him out and start an investigation.
 
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patdog

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The NCAA tends to find evidence for what it wants to find evidence for and does a damn good job of ignoring evidence it doesn't want to find. The Cam Newton situation is second only to Tee Martin (there was no violation since the documented wire transfers into Martin's account came from the WIFE of a booster and not from a booster) in the NCAA ignoring a pretty clear violation.
 
00Dawg

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^This.
I couldn't believe the Martin thing at the time; State sends out loads of official BC documents clearly stating that you and your spouse are both considered boosters by the NCAA if one of you gives to athletics.
The Newton thing was right up there, too. The rule was specifically written to keep parents from doing what Cecil did, yet they didn't follow through on the punishment for that exact circumstance.
 
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Seinfeld said:
Interesting, so I have to ask. Based on those guidelines, how in the world did Redmond's $2000 "discount" for a used car amount to a year and a half suspension? I don't think many would have argued all that much if they had simply gone with 5 games instead of 4, but the retroactive wiping away of his redshirted year was absolute ********.
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I am pretty sure that part of his suspension was due to the fact that he lied about it to the NCAA and didn't come clean until it was clear that he was caught.
 
Seinfeld

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Am I crazy or didn't a UT university professor also come forward that same year with a statement that she was being strong armed into changing grades for UT players? From what I remember, all of it was conveniently swept under the rug
 
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patdog

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You are not crazy. And let's not forget the school paid a woman $300,000 to settle a sexual assault claim against Peyton Manning back then too.

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