Didn't realize Berea College was a center for dumb 2021 style woke-ness ?

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Those high murder rates are largely black on black crime so you're point is irrelevant to what I said.
 
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Interesting. Can you provide numbers that show comparable murder rates between the two? Considering the murder rate per capita in the cities this summer, it shouldn’t be hard to back up your claim that POC were hunted down in rural America by the hundreds.
This is the kind of good-faith, fallacy-free argument that would be perfect in the Political Thread
 

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But its not open dialogue , you cant possibly believe that. Secondly " white nationalism" isn't a topic of great debate unless you are glued to far left media . I promise you if I ask my 9 employees " is White nationalism ever been discussed in your circle " the answer would be 9 " No's" This woke event sure isn't about open and honest dialogue .

I get that. Their goal is to reinforce their position. But it’s a weak position and it could be effectively refuted.

1. Have them define racism.
2. Point to the title of the event.

FWIW Your employees are going to tell you what they think you want to hear.
 

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True. But here’s the difference - was this lunatic an officially sanctioned speaker of the university? Similarly, did nearly every single other university in the country have dozens of likeminded hired speakers that students were encouraged to attend and listen to?

No?

Thank god. That guy was unhinged. Nobody wants more of him.
 

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The school was founded by abolitionists and has traditionally recruited black students at rates beyond actual representation of the general population.

Berea states, "More than 40 percent of students identify as a person of color."

I'm looking forward to their open dialogue on black nationalism and Pan-Africanism.
 

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Those high murder rates are largely black on black crime so you're point is irrelevant to what I said.

Ok. So let’s keep it apples to apples with your post. Is black on white murder rate in cities equal to or higher than white on black murder rate in rural America?
 
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I’m going to bail so here’s my last take here- I was born in the 70s and we were taught to base our views on MLK and civil rights movement. Content of character and not color. This movement emanating from the left is the exact opposite. It will have us all at each other’s throats at some point.

Economic disparity and police brutality are real issues but they won’t be solved by reverse racism and destruction of civil liberties.
 

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Outside the student center at UK in the 90s/00s, in the "free speech area," nearly every day there was famously a loud mouthed preacher clutching a bible and screaming at everyone who walked by that we were going to burn in hell, calling girls whores, and spewing hatred and vitriol one fire and brimstone rant at a time.

We survived. The world survived. We all got thru it.

Jed Smock, I believe
 

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FWIW, I believe that Berea College was the first college in Kentucky to admit blacks, so it is hardly surprising that they are sponsoring such a conference, doesn't seem out of character to me.
 

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I’m going to bail so here’s my last take here- I was born in the 70s and we were taught to base our views on MLK and civil rights movement. Content of character and not color. This movement emanating from the left is the exact opposite. It will have us all at each other’s throats at some point.

Economic disparity and police brutality are real issues but they won’t be solved by reverse racism and destruction of civil liberties.

MLK said a whole lot more than just "content of character"
 
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This is social engineering to reshape society. It's more religion than politics, imo, and it's spreading like a virus. Maybe you may agree with this movement or maybe you DGAF, but it affects us all and needs open discussion. Why hide it in a single thread? Are you embarrassed by it?
How is it "hiding" if it's in a thread? That's the purpose of the thread.

This is a "Colleges are teaching Liberalism" link from Fox News. Arguing it's not politics is zealotry at its finest. It's literally a liberal college teaching against Trumpism. That's the definition of politics.

You can't see it because you're obsessed with politics. Some people here don't want a dozen threads every day about every conservative talking point arguing that "This is really important! It's not politics, this is my life!" And the moderators of the board are supposed to be enforcing that norm, so I think it's important that when someone breaks that rule it gets called out.

The truth is likely that a huge number of the people here have been muted on facebook by their family because all they post is political zealotry and so no one is liking or engaging their posts, people at work are starting to avoid them, and they have to get their feelings off their chest, and a diary would be too girly, so they bring it here so the other outcasts can agree with them and fulfill their confirmation bias and make them feel better. Unfortunately the board's not supposed to be for that.
 

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How is it "hiding" if it's in a thread? That's the purpose of the thread.

This is a "Colleges are teaching Liberalism" link from Fox News. Arguing it's not politics is zealotry at its finest. It's literally a liberal college teaching against Trumpism. That's the definition of politics.

You can't see it because you're obsessed with politics. Some people here don't want a dozen threads every day about every conservative talking point arguing that "This is really important! It's not politics, this is my life!" And the moderators of the board are supposed to be enforcing that norm, so I think it's important that when someone breaks that rule it gets called out.

The truth is likely that a huge number of the people here have been muted on facebook by their family because all they post is political zealotry and so no one is liking or engaging their posts, people at work are starting to avoid them, and they have to get their feelings off their chest, and a diary would be too girly, so they bring it here so the other outcasts can agree with them and fulfill their confirmation bias and make them feel better. Unfortunately the board's not supposed to be for that.

And yet, you continue to view and engage in the thread. Weird.
 
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Also a good thing that nobody cares if you think they are an outcast.
I didn't say it to convince anyone, I said it because it's true. They know. You might know if it's you. They know their kids have them blocked on facebook. They know their friends at work are avoiding them for some reason. People who get obsessed with politics have it happen to them all the time. Because it's obnoxious behavior to steer every conversation towards politics. And it doesn't matter which "side" you're on if you're like that. It's obnoxious. And you can tell it's happening with people here on this board because they lack the self control to keep the politics where it's supposed to be. I don't have to convince anyone. They already know.
 

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I didn't say it to convince anyone, I said it because it's true. They know. You might know if it's you. They know their kids have them blocked on facebook. They know their friends at work are avoiding them for some reason. People who get obsessed with politics have it happen to them all the time. Because it's obnoxious behavior to steer every conversation towards politics. And it doesn't matter which "side" you're on if you're like that. It's obnoxious. And you can tell it's happening with people here on this board because they lack the self control to keep the politics where it's supposed to be. I don't have to convince anyone. They already know.

Racism isn't politics. BLM told us so.
 
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How is it "hiding" if it's in a thread? That's the purpose of the thread.

This is a "Colleges are teaching Liberalism" link from Fox News. Arguing it's not politics is zealotry at its finest. It's literally a liberal college teaching against Trumpism. That's the definition of politics.

You can't see it because you're obsessed with politics. Some people here don't want a dozen threads every day about every conservative talking point arguing that "This is really important! It's not politics, this is my life!" And the moderators of the board are supposed to be enforcing that norm, so I think it's important that when someone breaks that rule it gets called out.

The truth is likely that a huge number of the people here have been muted on facebook by their family because all they post is political zealotry and so no one is liking or engaging their posts, people at work are starting to avoid them, and they have to get their feelings off their chest, and a diary would be too girly, so they bring it here so the other outcasts can agree with them and fulfill their confirmation bias and make them feel better. Unfortunately the board's not supposed to be for that.
OK, here's what I think. I think you know that "wokeism" cannot stand in the bright light of rational, critical examination. Trying to support it is like bringing a pea shooter to a gun fight. You know this as well. Since it's owned and driven by your political party, the cognitive dissonance rocks your worldview. So you want to sweep the discussion into a thread that doesn't openly expose your irrational thinking to a wider audience which may crumble the faulty structures you've built in your thinking.

I don't use FB, Twitter, or any other social media. From what I've seen, those platforms are already beginning to censor opinions contrary to the woke insanity. I would hate to see that happen here.
 

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Funny enough, I used to rarely talk politics outside of my close friends and family. I, like most conservatives, viewed politics like a country club party - polite, respectful, all in good fun. Didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 but obviously not for Hillary.

The left changed that for me starting in 2017. When you see how absolutely bat **** crazy they’ve become, yeah, I think it’s important to start speaking up more. Bad leftist ideas are a virus - they infect, replicate, kill, and move on. I don’t think anything I’ve said in this thread is unreasonable. But I do think most positions on the left are based on false narratives and need to be confronted.

Don’t have Facebook, btw. Deleted it after college when I realized I had no interest in the 99% stupid **** on there and not as many spring break pictures.
 

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The RIGHT changed that for me starting in 2017. When you see how absolutely bat **** crazy they’ve become, yeah, I think it’s important to start speaking up more. Bad RIGHT WING ideas are a virus - they infect, replicate, kill, and move on. I don’t think anything I’ve said in this thread is unreasonable. But I do think most positions on the FAR RIGHT are based on false narratives and need to be confronted.

FIFY, which is why I dropped out of the Republican party a few weeks ago (after 40 years as a Repub) and became an independent.
 

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FIFY, which is why I dropped out of the Republican party a few weeks ago and became an independent.

If you honestly think it’s the right, not the left, that’s gone off the deep end since 2016, then I’ve got some prime commercial real estate in downtown Minneapolis to sell you. Or Portland. Or Seattle. Take your left city pick.

It’s not right wing ideas that are viruses. If so, then why the exodus and collapse of blue states as they flee from their political manifestation to Florida, Texas, Georgia, and Arizona? I thought it was the right wing policies that lead to societal decay? Right?

It’s ok, we all know the answer.
 
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FIFY, which is why I dropped out of the Republican party a few weeks ago (after 40 years as a Repub) and became an independent.

What did that accomplish for you? You can vote for whomever you want regardless of registration outside of a primary.

I've seen your posts here. You get triggered way too easily if somebody says anything that can be perceived as anti-Democrat. There's no way you were a Republican for 40 years.
 

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True. But here’s the difference - was this lunatic an officially sanctioned speaker of the university? Similarly, did nearly every single other university in the country have dozens of likeminded hired speakers that students were encouraged to attend and listen to?

No?
Had to be brother Jed and sister Cindy Smock
 

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What did that accomplish for you? You can vote for whomever you want regardless of registration outside of a primary.

I've seen your posts here. You get triggered way too easily if somebody says anything that can be perceived as anti-Democrat. There's no way you were a Republican for 40 years.

Sorry, 1000% wrong on that point, was a poll watcher for Bush in 88, raised money for Ernie Fletcher when he ran for Governor, worked for W (43) in 2000, etc. Unfortunately, that party is dead.

Not triggered, just did not join Cats Illustrated to get into ugly and belligerent and repetitive political arguments with people I don't even know. I make a few comments here and there and then move on. Life is too short, got way too many other ways to spend my time.
 

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Had to be brother Jed and sister Cindy Smock
I saw those lunatics at UK back in 1980. Barrel of laughs. Jed was not only a religious nut, but apparently a Hoosier fan as well. "Bobby Knight is going to come down here and kick Joe Hall's ***!" or something like that.
 
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Bush 88 - lost in landslide to Clinton and ****** up what he inherited from Reagan.
Fletcher - one of the more corrupt KY governors (in his defense, nearly all have been).
W - arguably in top 5 worst Presidents.

Yes, truly a shame that that GOP has been lost to the wind...
 
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There's no way you were a Republican for 40 years.
This is called "Challenge avoidance." It's when we avoid cognitive dissonance by rejecting disconforming information because it results in discomfort and negative emotions. Someone leaving the party like that is uncomfortable to the bias, so it's rejected as a lie.
 
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There was an attempted coup and storming and defacing the nation's capital while killing police officers, but calling it terrorism is a bridge too far, for sure.
So they have now said that the police officer (one) was killed at the demonstration instead of a stroke at the police station? Was not aware that had changed.
 
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I get that. Their goal is to reinforce their position. But it’s a weak position and it could be effectively refuted.

1. Have them define racism.
2. Point to the title of the event.

FWIW Your employees are going to tell you what they think you want to hear.
The problem is, they think that racism only works in one direction. That it's impossible to be racist towards white people.
 
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Sure. Belief in self governance, limited central government, societal and cultural norms based on Judeo-Christian values, and individual rights as enumerated in enlightenment ideals (life, liberty, property).

All viciously under attack by today’s left.
I don't think many liberals would disagree with you about self-governance or individual rights like life, liberty, and property. I also don't think anyone cares if anyone wants to personally restrict their own liberty by following Judeo Christian values but they do have a problem with restricting someone else's liberty by enforcing Judeo Christian values through law.