Do you think Rettig will transfer?
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"Did you see how many times he glanced at his wrist play card pre-snap after breakingw the huddle or how long he was in the huddle (it was like 25 seconds and he kept pulling the players back into the huddle as well) vs OSU?"
If you FINALLY had an opportunity in a game (and it was only your second opportunity all year with the first being several weeks earlier) don't you think you'd be trying like mad to make the most of it? And maybe, just maybe, be pumped up a bit to the point where you were more excited than cool and calm?
If Rettig had more opportunities AND STILL looked like something was wrong, I'd buy it. Right now, I totally don't. He almost got killed on a play but still managed to throw the ball away and didn't toss an easy interception or fumble on the play (two things we've seen from QB play this year).
Laviano has improved over the season, but I'd imagine (and hope) any QB with playing time would improve. What would be so wrong with changing the starter to hopefully get a spark in a game? Why do some people here seem to think that would destroy Laviano's confidence or be a gift to Rettig when virtually every other college team changes QBs to get a spark when the offense has stalled?
If you FINALLY had an opportunity in a game (and it was only your second opportunity all year with the first being several weeks earlier) don't you think you'd be trying like mad to make the most of it? And maybe, just maybe, be pumped up a bit to the point where you were more excited than cool and calm?
If Rettig had more opportunities AND STILL looked like something was wrong, I'd buy it. Right now, I totally don't. He almost got killed on a play but still managed to throw the ball away and didn't toss an easy interception or fumble on the play (two things we've seen from QB play this year).
Laviano has improved over the season, but I'd imagine (and hope) any QB with playing time would improve. What would be so wrong with changing the starter to hopefully get a spark in a game? Why do some people here seem to think that would destroy Laviano's confidence or be a gift to Rettig when virtually every other college team changes QBs to get a spark when the offense has stalled?
Maybe. I'm sure that's part off it. I would definitely like to see Rettig more each game. He needs the experience. He would also be a nice change off pace when Laviano is stalling the offense.
Learned the playbook? Laviano hasn't even learned to take the snap every game yet.
Rettig is going down to FCS next year unless he gets to play more meaningful minutes next year or Flood gets fired and the next coach comes in and tells him he is playing.
Some of you folks have such short and rose colored memories. He looks like a Tom Savage, is getting treated like a Tom Savage, and will find a way to make it into the NFL like Tom Savage.
You know THAT guy? The one who looked the part, could play the part, but wasn't given the part? THAT guy?
We're so good at this QB thing that our 2 back-ups are playing in the NFL and Europe. But yeah, I trust or decision makers cause their watching practice when not sneaking down to Princeton to meet incognito to talk to a prof when they are told not to .
Rettig is going down to FCS next year unless he gets to play more meaningful minutes next year or Flood gets fired and the next coach comes in and tells him he is playing.
Some of you folks have such short and rose colored memories. He looks like a Tom Savage, is getting treated like a Tom Savage, and will find a way to make it into the NFL like Tom Savage.
You know THAT guy? The one who looked the part, could play the part, but wasn't given the part? THAT guy?
We're so good at this QB thing that our 2 back-ups are playing in the NFL and Europe. But yeah, I trust or decision makers cause their watching practice when not sneaking down to Princeton to meet incognito to talk to a prof when they are told not to .
You call him out for using total season stats, while basing your argument on one game.
Take away the 1st game and RU has 1.5 whole 1st down less per game than the opponents., 129-140.
You can use the OSU disaster to judge Laviano and ignore the good games he's had recently but to think a QB change would have made any difference in the outcome in it's entirety is ridiculous. OSU was better at pretty much every position once Carroo went out. There's only a couple QB's I've seen this year who could have kept it close and one was playing already....for OSU.
You can use the OSU disaster to judge Laviano and ignore the good games he's had recently but to think a QB change would have made any difference in the outcome in it's entirety is ridiculous. OSU was better at pretty much every position once Carroo went out. There's only a couple QB's I've seen this year who could have kept it close and one was playing already....for OSU.
WTF does first downs have to do with scoring and winning games? That's like dating the most chicks but never getting laid. really?
Ummmm. Savage was on Schiano, not Flood. Flood did bench Nova in favor of Dodd in '12 or '13.
Finally, I loved Chas and very happy for him he's getting paid to pursue his dream, but the IFL? Have you watched any of it?
Sooooo, Flood is gonna start the QB who gets him canned and sit the QB on the bench who might save his job? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
so Flood is told NOT to contact a Prof about a Player's Grade as that might cost him his job, but he does it anyway HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
He's already lost two redshirt years, so he has two years left to play two.
You say that his downside is knowledge of the system - after being at Rutgers for a redshirt year after transfer from LSU. Why do you feel he'll transfer to either a) another FBS program where he has to sit out a year with a chance to play just one (while having to learn an entirely new playbook/system - which he's apparently finding difficult at Rutgers), or b) an FCS program where he won't even have a redshirt year to learn the playbook/system?
It doesn't make sense.
Add in Flood's situation. It is in no way 100% certain that he'll be back next year - and at this point, it's probably closer to 50/50. A new coach would likely give all the QBs an equal look before selecting his starter.
And Russo in the pipeline? Yeah, Resicgno's in the pipeline, too. And Dare. You can't worry about guys in the pipeline. He's the #2 QB on a P5 team - he's one bad sack away from the starting position at any point this year, and he has to prepare like it.
He's hardly "buried" on the depth chart - it's not like Savon Huggins, who was clearly going to be the #4 option at RB if he stayed.
There's absolutely no reason for him to transfer at this point - or even to consider it.
Now, if we go 6-6 and win a bowl game, and Flood is retained, and he announces early in the summer that Laviano's his guy... and if Russo comes in early and starts looking like the #2...? That may change the story a little bit - but as of right now? All of that is wild speculation - if anyone is advising him to transfer at this point, they need to have their head examined.
Rettig s a smart kid. He knows that we now have one OT who can pass protect, and it is his last year. Next year our starting QB is likely to get injured, and it is only a matter of time before Laviano is injured. The only problem is that Rettig will then be as vulnerable, and Rescigno, Dare, or Russo will then get their chance.
Willie Parker was right about one thing: he was the best they had. That is what his father, struggling to keep Willie from quitting, kept reminding him. Parker would tell his parents they did not have to attend the games, because he was not going to play.
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In all honesty, I am not sure if Flood has the decision making skills to know who the best player actually is.
So you assume that Flood is doing what he is doing because he is a good decision maker and knows what will work? That he knows that without Laviano we would never have won 3 games. That's even more rich about a guy who WROTE that he was using an email account to avoid detection.
Ever think he may just be wrong? The alternative is that he is too stubborn because if Retting tears it up now he should be let go for bad decision making. Either way its troubling for a CEO of a state flagship program.
If he is better KF would be foolish not to attempt to save his livelihood on the silliness of partiality....he can't be that dumb.
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All coaches at all levels make mistakes. Did you ever think he may just be right?
Ever think you may just be wrong?
Not sure why you would feel this way. Did Flood not play the best QB on the roster last year? Was there another QB on the roster that would have helped them do better than exceeding expectations like they did and finishing 8-5 in their inaugural year in the B1G? I know he was getting a lot of help from posters on these boards telling him he should have been playing the backups at certain points last year. I guess he didn't need their help last year after all.
A fair shot would be decent series in garbage time, or how about a chance to turn the PSU game around?
Rettig's transfer options are VERY limited. Since this would be his second transfer, the exception which allows for immediate eligibility for a transfer down to FCS would NOT apply. Exact same situation that Tom Savage was in when he left Arizona.
These are Rettig's options:
1) Transfer down to D2 or lower, and have two to play two. You may recall that Savage was seriously considering this option.
2) Transfer to either FCS or FBS, and have two to play one. This is what Savage did. Problem is, very few schools are willing to tie up a schollie for two years on a player who can only play one year. He may have to walk on his first year. I believe Savage did although I am not certain. That may have been one reason he chose Pitt -- in-state tuition.
3) Apply for immediate eligibility somewhere (maybe in CA?) under a hardship exemption for some reason. As we saw from the Savage case, easier said than done.
4) Graduate in three years. Leave with his degree and two years of eligibility. I have no idea if he has a chance of doing this, but I think it would be highly unlikely.
5) Stick around next year, graduate in four years, and leave as a grad transfer with one year left. This I think could happen if he doesn't see the field next year.
6) Finish out his eligibility at RU, through the 2017 season.
Don't bet against Option 6.
These are Rettig's options:
1) Transfer down to D2 or lower, and have two to play two. You may recall that Savage was seriously considering this option.
2) Transfer to either FCS or FBS, and have two to play one. This is what Savage did. Problem is, very few schools are willing to tie up a schollie for two years on a player who can only play one year. He may have to walk on his first year. I believe Savage did although I am not certain. That may have been one reason he chose Pitt -- in-state tuition.
3) Apply for immediate eligibility somewhere (maybe in CA?) under a hardship exemption for some reason. As we saw from the Savage case, easier said than done.
4) Graduate in three years. Leave with his degree and two years of eligibility. I have no idea if he has a chance of doing this, but I think it would be highly unlikely.
5) Stick around next year, graduate in four years, and leave as a grad transfer with one year left. This I think could happen if he doesn't see the field next year.
6) Finish out his eligibility at RU, through the 2017 season.
Don't bet against Option 6.
Of course. Al well reasoned people do. And they consider and try alternatives when activities aren't working.
So if you get basically no O against PSU and 0 points from your qb last week, and you are under 500, yes you consider and try an alternative to some meaningful extent.
Unfortunately, I don't feel that Flood has considered enough that HE may be wrong. That's the important thing in this scenario (doesn't appear you either considered an alternative) and if he had that analytical makeup, think the course would have been different the last few years.
Think it boils down to if the kid feels he's getting a fair shake from Flood and McDaniels
If he does, doubt he'll decide to leave after this season
But if he feels that Flood and/or McDaniels isn't doing right by him,
Dr Worm's #2 and/or 3 probably will be what he chooses
We can claim anything we want about how Rettig is being treated, but those in the know won't be saying anything on a message board like this, because that how they stay in the know.
Personally I think he'll be transferring down to get playing time, but that's not based on anything but my opinion and his transferring to RU knowing the job would be up for grabs this season with Nova graduating after the 2014 season was over.
If he does, doubt he'll decide to leave after this season
But if he feels that Flood and/or McDaniels isn't doing right by him,
Dr Worm's #2 and/or 3 probably will be what he chooses
We can claim anything we want about how Rettig is being treated, but those in the know won't be saying anything on a message board like this, because that how they stay in the know.
Personally I think he'll be transferring down to get playing time, but that's not based on anything but my opinion and his transferring to RU knowing the job would be up for grabs this season with Nova graduating after the 2014 season was over.
I hope so, kid should go somewhere he gets a fair shake. QBs should be aware before playing for "nice guy" KF.
The IFL pays $800 a month plus housing during the season. It not a career path to the NFL. It is just about guys who don't want to let go of football.
Why do all the Rettig lovers actually believe he is not getting a fair chance? Because they have seen him throw 11 passes against NSU and 7 against Ohio State's second string?
Look, there is no doubt that Rettig has a great arm. And maybe he does other things well also. But there is NO INDICATION he has not been given a "fair shot." None.
He was given a "fair shot" but Flood made the wrong call and picked the lesser talent. Only reason to have Laviano in over Rettig is if you have no faith in the offensive line to block for Rettig because Laviano is the better scrambler. If we could give Rettig 5 seconds in the pocket, he would be able to throw down field and utilize his big arm.
If I was Rettig and I dont play the rest of the year and Flood is still here I would transfer. It's on the staff for not getting Rettig ready to play this year.
If I was Rettig and I dont play the rest of the year and Flood is still here I would transfer. It's on the staff for not getting Rettig ready to play this year.
Uh, do you really believe most college football coaches would have used him as little in actual games as Flood did? We have been in two games where the offense did absolutely nothing all game and games where the offense stalled for a full quarter or more while the score was slipping away.
Other coaches realize that sometimes a switch is needed when NOTHING is going right on offense. Flood hasn't. Is that giving the QB a "fair shot" when he likely would have seen the field under those situations with 80% of coaches?
I can name 4 writers who cover the team who think Rettig should have been the starter. Some of them suggested there was NOTHING Rettig could have done to be named starter, i.e., Flood was naming Laviano no matter what.
Laviano has played against two excellent defenses, OSU and PSU.
He has been terrible in both games and his deficiencies have been exposed.
That is all I need to know, when we've got someone else on the roster that has NFL tools to work with.
I would love it if he transferred so all the idiots who are convinced he is so incredible will be proven wrong. I have no idea why its so hard to understand we have two very average quarterbacks. And you all want to take the one who has been getting the job done with relatively strong efficiency for a first year starter and put him on the bench because the other has....wait for it.....better arm strength (allegedly). Never mind that he might cost us games for other reasons (inability to escape would be sacks due to our terrible O-line, failure to understand the playbook, or general bad decisionmaking leading to INT).
The entire premise that we have this gem of a quarterback riding the bench is so ludicrous its funny. No one who has said anything on the subject has anything to base their opinion on but limited garbage time and spring game action. It seems to me like the real basis for thinking Rettig is better is that Flood is an idiot and can't do anything right, so he must have f'ed this up too. Well, if that is your opinion, why the hell do you think our record would be any different with a different quarterback??
The entire premise that we have this gem of a quarterback riding the bench is so ludicrous its funny. No one who has said anything on the subject has anything to base their opinion on but limited garbage time and spring game action. It seems to me like the real basis for thinking Rettig is better is that Flood is an idiot and can't do anything right, so he must have f'ed this up too. Well, if that is your opinion, why the hell do you think our record would be any different with a different quarterback??
I think you missed my point completely. Folks keep suggesting that coaching staff has all the information and therefore we can't legitimately question their decisions. UNC coaches felt Parker was a 3rd string back and never played him. He was an NFL all-pro. I love Cowher's comment on from that point on they looked at UNC's backups and not the starters, i.e., a dig at the UNC coaches who were idiots and not playing their best players.
FWIW, Bunting sucked as a coach and was fired. He has been out of the coaching business ever since UNC.
I've heard from more than one insider that the staff really likes his game, but his biggest challenge is learning the play book. If he does that, he will have a chance to start next season. If he goes somewhere else, he'll have to start all over learning another playbook, which may not be his strength. Assuming he's happy with the academic side of things, I think he stays.