Does anyone WANT the job?
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Michigan and Penn State, if you believe the recruiting rankings, are very neck and neck.
That was always Franklin’s saving grace in beating them at home, losing in AA: Franklin beats Michigan about half time, loses to Ohio State who recruits better, and we’ll live with that.
That lasted until 2021. Michigan and Penn State continued about even in recruiting, but started beating Penn State every year.
Temple had a better record the 4 years preceding Rhule than they did with Rhule.
The coaching search would be considered wildly successful if they wind up hiring someone who did as good a job as Bill O’ Brien did those two years. I’m on an island here, but he’d still do better than 3/4 of the names I see. Including the guy at Nebraska.
Brian Newberry, HC, , Navy, 51, unbeaten.
A real breath of fresh air compared to the Rhule clones.
Makes about $2M.
Navy even sounds cool.
Yeah, I know, not elite.
It cannot be stated enough that through our next coach we need to finally prioritize developing the QB position. Like it or not, Penn State has the perception of “where quarterback dreams go to die.” We have underperformed or failed with so many 5* and 4* quarterbacks over the last 25 years - Morelli, Hackenberg, Devlin, Bolden, Paul Jones, O’Connor…and while Allar almost took us to the NC last year, he barely developed under Franklin and all things considered never put up the numbers that a 5* QB would be expected to, particularly in this day and age. Meanwhile, our more productive QBs have been 3*, many of whom were never Plan A when they arrived on campus - Robinson, Clark, McGloin, McSorley, and Clifford.
Look at today’s CFB landscape. You don’t need an air raid system for your QB to be productive. We have a total of six seasons where a QB has thrown for at least 3,000 yards. We have never had a QB throw for 30 TDs in a season. This needs to change for Penn State to finally take that next step and be on the winning side against other elite teams. We’ll always have talent in the trenches and on defense. That’s not enough and hasn’t been for a while.
High school QBs need to finally be assured that they will be developed and produce here. We have produced exactly one QB who was drafted higher than the 5th round since Kerry Collins (Hackenberg) and he was so unprepared he never took a snap in the NFL.
I’m in the Joe Brady and Alex Golesh camps for this very reason. Those are the guys who have a demonstrated record as OCs to change the offensive culture here and provide an immediate sell to high school QBs.
Look at today’s CFB landscape. You don’t need an air raid system for your QB to be productive. We have a total of six seasons where a QB has thrown for at least 3,000 yards. We have never had a QB throw for 30 TDs in a season. This needs to change for Penn State to finally take that next step and be on the winning side against other elite teams. We’ll always have talent in the trenches and on defense. That’s not enough and hasn’t been for a while.
High school QBs need to finally be assured that they will be developed and produce here. We have produced exactly one QB who was drafted higher than the 5th round since Kerry Collins (Hackenberg) and he was so unprepared he never took a snap in the NFL.
I’m in the Joe Brady and Alex Golesh camps for this very reason. Those are the guys who have a demonstrated record as OCs to change the offensive culture here and provide an immediate sell to high school QBs.
I love the Mullen idea, I just don’t think he’s into the recruiting/talent accumulation part of the job. If you get a strong GM, that would be optimal (you’ll need one anyway), but Mullen still needs involved in it.
He’s available. Cut rate and has his own car.
I understand that som e fans are crazy about Manny Diaz's hair. And we all probably enjoyed his defenses, when they weren't surrending first downs on 3rd-and-long. But other than his coiffure, Diaz has not shown to be a championship level HC.
As HC at Miami, he went 6-7, 8-3, and 7-5. He lost both Bowl games. And that's in an unremarkable ACC.
I don't know who could bring Penn State up to a level comparable to Ohio State, but I do doubt Diaz can do it. Despite his hair.
As HC at Miami, he went 6-7, 8-3, and 7-5. He lost both Bowl games. And that's in an unremarkable ACC.
I don't know who could bring Penn State up to a level comparable to Ohio State, but I do doubt Diaz can do it. Despite his hair.
I would take Manny Diaz over Rhule anyday. At least Manny brings a great defensive aptitude, idk what Rhule brings other than he’s a psu guy
Actually, her one basketball hire was very good (bringing in former Stanford coach Montgomery from Cal's big time rival)Would much rather have Sandy Barbour leading the search.
For football - not so much, Tedford had to go, but her hire of Sonny Dykes was no good.
So I guess she has a SLIGHTLY better track record than Kraft, but not much
I just threw up in my mouth.Would much rather have Sandy Barbour leading the search.
I’d take Diaz over Rhule.
But there are probably 2 dozen guys I’d take over Diaz. OK maybe a dozen.
Together Barbour and Montgomery cratered Cal's basketball grad rates. Believe they were in the teens during their combined tenure.
If your supposition is correct, then it is a no-brainer If the narrative is true that there is crazy money (e.g.,Knight, Cody Campbell, Ellison, Wexner, Cuban, etc.) waiting to fund the program contingent on removing Franklin then Kraft had to make the move. We will see how this shakes out. If the choice is ultimately someone like Rhule, this move will turn out to be an unmitigated disaster. Franklin is in the mix for every job except Penn State and Florida (according to a national analyst), while the top of the list for Penn State appears to be Rhule, which leads me to want to throw up in my mouth.
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I agree with your take on coordinators. They should be considered. Golden had success because Temple dropped to the MAC.
Really? Did you see any of their performance against Minnesota? Starting a five star QB their offense was less productive than ours against Iowa. And the defense got pushed around! No thanks. Would have rather kept Big Game James
Oh well…he had 11.5 years to “prove PSU was right”…what makes you think proving PSU wrong will be easy?!
I don’t have a strong feeling on Rhule, but this is a misleading factoid, imo. So here’s another factoid: Temple’s record in each of his last 2 years (10-4) was better than any of the 4 years preceding him, and the best anyone had done at Temple in 35 years.
Mixed results. Thanks for the breakdown.Data would suggest there is no "cookie-cutter" to success.
The Right Guy - or Wrong Guy - can be found with any background. More than anything, depends on the competency of the folk(s) doing the search.
But any argument that a "Head Coaching Track Record" significantly increases potential future success is just not supported by facts and history.
Current SEC Coaches:
FIRST TIMERS:
Clark Lea - First time head coach, doing very well at Vanderbilt
Brett Venables - First time head coach. Rough first year, seems to have turned the corner in year 2 at Oklahoma
Kirby Smart - First time head coach at Georgia. Seems to be doing OK
Mark Stoops - First time head coach at Kentucky. Relatively successful tenure (for Kentucky) for about a decade, but dropping of as of late
Jeff Lebby - First time head coach, doing about what one would expect at Miss State (not much)
Shane Beaner - First time head coach, so-so results (about what one might expect for USCe)
Charlie Pittman - First time head coach at Arkansas (FAI&P) stumbled around, fired this year
FORMER HEAD COACHES:
Eli Drinkwitz - Had one year at Appy State, then to Missouri. Doing very well
Mike Elko - Two successful years at Duke, then to Texas A&M
Brian Kelly - Long track record of success at multiple programs, things going downhill at LSU
Billy Napier - Very successful at Louisiana, could never get things going at Florida
Kelen DeBoer - Two short stints (both successful, Fresno and Washington), then to Alabama
Steve Sarkisian - First at Washington (so-so results), then USC (bad outcome), then to Texas
Jush Huepel - Short stint at UCF (successful), then to Tennessee
Lane Kiffin - Dumpster fires at Oakland (NFL) Tennessee, and USCw, Successful stint at FAU, then to Ole Miss
Hugh Freeze - Quick success at Arky State, mixed results at Ole Miss, relative success at Liberty, seems to be stuck in mud at Auburn
Current Big Ten Coaches:
FIRST TIMERS:
Kirk Ferentz - First Time head coach. Now an institution at Iowa
David Braun - First time head coach. Early indications are solid (given the program)
Sherrone Moore - First Time head coach. Future is cloudy
Ryan Day - First Time head coach. Seems to be doing OK
Dan Lanning - First Time head coach. Seems to be doing OK
DeShaun Foster - First Time head coach. Unsuccessful at UCLA, and got the axe (had a pretty short leash)
FORMER HEAD COACHES:
Brett Bielema - Mixed record at multiple stops, then to Illinois
Curt Cignetti - First Big Boy job at IU (after success at lower levels) Doing OK
PJ Fleck - Lower level success, mixed results (but generally at or above expectations) at Minnesota
Matt Rhule - Multiple prior jobs - mixed results. Seems to be sinking at Nebraska
Mike Locksley - Brief (unsuccessful) stop at lower level, then to Maryland
Jonathon Smith - Successful tenure at Oregon State, then to MSU - where he may already be packing his bags
Luke Fickell - Very successful stint at Cincinnati, so far a dumpster fire at Wisconsin
Jedd Fisch - Short but successful stint at Arizona. Early returns are mixed at Washington
Lincoln Riley - Very successful stint at Oklahoma. Tenuous spot at USC?
Greg Schiano - Successful earlier stint at Rutgers. Schiano Part 2? Up and down?
Barry Odom - Hit and miss tenures at two other programs. Too early to tell after taking over at Purdue.
James Franklin - Successful tenure at Vanderbilt, then off to PSU. Many successful years at PSU, before dropping off sharply. Obviously, got the axe.
There are - maybe - 5 guys with a lengthy track record of sustained success at major programs: who you could feel comfortable hiring, based on that track record, and feel confident in future success. And 5 is actually probably a high number (truth be told, if you had to have a list of 5, you would probably have to include (former)HCJF).
And none of those guys are available (and Urby and Saban ain't coming back).
Of the guys currently employed at Big Boy programs, if one had to pick the two most "can't miss" candidates based on their resumes (at the time they were hired) they would be Brian Kelly and Lincoln RIley. Both of those guys have had limited success / very disappointing tenures at their current programs, and - depending on who you listen too - are on very "hot" seats.
What does that mean? Your chances of success rely on the "searcher" doing a good job of identifying the "next" Dabo / Day / Lanning / Smart / Kiffin etc - from a mixed pool of all sorts of suspects.
He had those years. No doubt. Even won Top 25 games.
I don’t know how Temple’s record the prior 4 years is misleading when it was in response to Rhule making the program better than it had been historically. He didn’t make it better than it had been the 4 years prior to him in overall record.
If the argument is higher highs than the previous guy, inarguably correct. Also lower lows, equally inarguable.
Looking to clarify your last paragraph-
Are you saying that the most important advisors in the search are narrowed down to Ruhle, Golden, Diaz and a wildcard?
Franklin had PSU recruiting at the same level as Michigan for quite a long time. He never had it at the level of OSU or Oregon, however.
