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Colonel Kang

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We're in a realignment phase that will put us in a better, more sustainable place. Sorry some of you are losing some money in your $401K today but that seems like a small price to pay to make the economy sustainable for another 50+ years.

 

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Why do I have to pay more taxes to end world subsidies? Make it make sense!!111!
Why does our tax dollars have to go toward Sesame Street in Afghanistan, and LGB programs in the Congo? Or wherever it was....

All those programs were a RUSE for kickback$ for corrupt politicians.
 

mstateglfr

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Openly inviting unvetted people from other countries to come live in the USA for free on hard working taxpayers pocketbooks so you can manipulate the next census to keep long term power of this country is how Trump got elected.

Packing them up and sending them home without the same due process is getting what I voted for.....there is no scandal.
...but that isnt what I am referring to.
People who are here legally have been picked up and/or sent away and denied due process.

Your comment simply doesnt even logically work since you cant actually know if someone is legal or not without...due process. The very thing that is needed to determine what you want determined is being ignored in many instances.

Further, Due Process clauses within our Constitution apply to anyone in the US, regardless of how it is suspected that they got to the US.
This is seriously basic concept level stuff we are talking here. HS students should know this from Civics classes.
You are just like 'yep, 17 what the Constitution protects' right now.

Below is from Wikipedia- I figured a wiki overview with some links might help you see that this isnt my interpretation, its just reality.

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Main article: Due Process Clause
The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause.[18] Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the Due Process Clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[19] The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the clauses as providing four protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.
 

Curby

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As far as 401K. You'll be buying low for awhile....to sell high in the future, and things will shoot up exponentially.
 

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Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.

Instead, the leading story seems to continue to be the insanity that is tariffs. Also awful, but objectively nowhere near as unconscionable a policy decision as deporting people without Due Process and lying in justification.

Discussing what should be classified military attack plans on an open group chat with a journalist included should be the third biggest scandal this century. Just read about how that communication is supposed to happen and it is clear everyone involved is completely unserious about their jobs. The most ironic part of that scandal is one of the guys, on a group chat thru an app with a journalist invited, specifically claimed the military operation is verified secure. Ironic that he said that and was part of the issue and reason for it not being secure.


If the story of how these tariffs came about is true, and all the numbers Trump displayed yesterday aren't actually the numbers he claimed, then that should be yet another scandal...though a distant fourth to these other two that are also currently taking place.



I never thought I would live to see a scandal exceed the lies that were told to justify invading Iraq.
And I never thought I would live to see a bigger scandal basically get a pass and nobody be held accountable.
But here we are on SPS talking about tariffs instead.




It's been interesting to see how little political discussion there has been on SPS over the last month, despite the historically impactful chaos we all now live in.
Tariffs managed to break thru. Maybe because they impact everyone?
We just had the country run for a couple if not four years by an unelected shadow government. That was a pretty big scandal.

We had the government make a concerted effort to censor people making public statements about the origin of COVID-19 that agreed with most assessments of the significant government entities making one. If the origin was a lab leak, that means we also funded the creation of a virus that killed millions. That was a pretty big scandal.

We left billions of dollars worth of equipment to the Taliban and got soldiers killed because we were worse at planning an operation than your average office workers at a Kinkos would have been. That was a pretty big scandal.

I'd also be interested in what process you think is due to non-citizens subject to deportation, and what statute or case law you are relying on in informing your position. I have never really considered it. The only thing I would be confident in predicting is that if someone subject to deportation claims to be a citizen, they have to be given the opportunity to make that case, including at minimum a reasonable way to procure documents. Beyond that, I would guess it is dependent on how they are in the country. But since you are sure they are not getting due process, I assume you have at least read a good secondary source explaining what process is due and what precedent they use to determine that, so I'd be interested to know the gist of it.
 

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Wow, that looks very mean. Some of those tariffs are up to half of what they charge us! Not fair!!!!
...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
 
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...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
Correct, but there’s a chance this leads to more US jobs. The chance is greater than the chance with no reciprocal tariffs.
 
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I'd also be interested in what process you think is due to non-citizens subject to deportation, and what statute or case law you are relying on in informing your position. I have never really considered it. The only thing I would be confident in predicting is that if someone subject to deportation claims to be a citizen, they have to be given the opportunity to make that case, including at minimum a reasonable way to procure documents. Beyond that, I would guess it is dependent on how they are in the country. But since you are sure they are not getting due process, I assume you have at least read a good secondary source explaining what process is due and what precedent they use to determine that, so I'd be interested to know the gist of it.
I don't believe thugs with face covering with no badge in unmarked vehicles abducting people on the street is due process. Do you?
 

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...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
You mean the person or entity paying the tax isn't necessarily the one bearing the burden? I wonder if there are any other taxes this logic could be applied to? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:
 

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It’s very simple. We have lived in a post ww2 world for 75 years where the USA has become immensely more prosperous. We’ve used that prosperity to empower billions of the world’s poorest people to work and earn a living. This allowed us to buy cheap goods and pulled people out of poverty. Win win. We’ve also used our prosperity to ensure that bad people don’t hurt other people. However, we now don’t seems to care and are fine with Putin/Russia taking over a country and using force to redraw the post ww2 map. Go head and stick your head in the sand though…
Nobody wants to acknowledge this. We have a pretty good gig and position set up still. Feels like we are creating problems to fix for some stupid unknown reason. Nothing like a self inflected loss bc you have faith in a billionaire and his billionaire supporters wanting to flip the entire world order upside down having regular Joes' best interests in their heart.

Although I do wish we could get some of our debt paid off/forgiven bc of the global security we largely financed over the last several decades. There's a lot of unpaid security owed to us for sure but I don't see how trade wars and "winning" trade deficit battles does anything to fix that. Seems like a bite nose to spite your face deal.
 
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johnson86-1

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I don't believe thugs with face covering with no badge in unmarked vehicles abducting people on the street is due process. Do you?
That basically contains no information about due process. You could use the same description about a lot of undercover operations. There is going to be a 4th amendment question as to what information was used to target somebody for detainment (which is not really a due process question unless you are talking about the state doing the detaining) and then there will be a due process question about what sort of opportunity to be heard is granted after detainment. Process being due does not necessarily mean the right to be heard in a formal hearing in front of a tribunal. I have no clue what kind of opportunity to be heard would satisfy the due process requirement for non-citizens in the country illegally.
 

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Nobody wants to acknowledge this. We have a pretty good gig and position set up still. Feels like we are creating problems to fix for some stupid unknown reason. Nothing like a self inflected loss bc you have faith in a billionaire and his billionaire supporters wanting to flip the entire world order upside down having regular Joes' best interests in their heart.

Although I do wish we could get some of our debt paid off/forgiven bc of the global security we largely financed over the last several decades. There's a lot of unpaid security owed to us for sure but I don't see how trade wars and "winning" trade deficit battles does anything to fix that. Seems like a bite nose to spite your face deal.
An anchor said burning down the house to cook a steak.
 

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Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.

Instead, the leading story seems to continue to be the insanity that is tariffs. Also awful, but objectively nowhere near as unconscionable a policy decision as deporting people without Due Process and lying in justification.

Discussing what should be classified military attack plans on an open group chat with a journalist included should be the third biggest scandal this century. Just read about how that communication is supposed to happen and it is clear everyone involved is completely unserious about their jobs. The most ironic part of that scandal is one of the guys, on a group chat thru an app with a journalist invited, specifically claimed the military operation is verified secure. Ironic that he said that and was part of the issue and reason for it not being secure.


If the story of how these tariffs came about is true, and all the numbers Trump displayed yesterday aren't actually the numbers he claimed, then that should be yet another scandal...though a distant fourth to these other two that are also currently taking place.



I never thought I would live to see a scandal exceed the lies that were told to justify invading Iraq.
And I never thought I would live to see a bigger scandal basically get a pass and nobody be held accountable.
But here we are on SPS talking about tariffs instead.




It's been interesting to see how little political discussion there has been on SPS over the last month, despite the historically impactful chaos we all now live in.
Tariffs managed to break thru. Maybe because they impact everyone?
ALL of this is what thinking people knew was coming. It's hard to just watch it all happen. Like a slow moving avoidable train wreck that is being intentionally caused by the engineer, but no one including the conductors have the guts to make him stop . Wonder how long they will keep saying, "This is exactly what I voted for"?
 

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It’s surprising how retarded some of you are. Check out who was footing the bill for Omni to fly in hundreds of thousands illegals into the US. And, you honestly believe they were vetted? Change cults dude
This is some Rick Scott-esque ********.

 
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That basically contains no information about due process.
@johnson86-1 I actually think you're pretty principled conservative. I encourage you to look at the videotapes of some of the abductions, or arrests, or whatever you want to call them - and tell me they aren't exactly the same as what we saw/heard about happening in places like east Germany and South America when we were younger.

Secret police. That's what this is. In the Land of the Free.
 
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You need to look up what the word 'subsidize' means, and then stop using it so incorrectly.

A trade deficit is not the same as a subsidy. Those are different financial concepts.
We weren't subsidizing Canada to the tune of $200 billion and we aren't subsidizing other countries that we have a trade deficit with.
Britannica: subsidy, a direct or indirect payment, economic concession, or privilege granted by a government to private firms, households, or other governmental units in order to promote a public objective.

Public objective: cheap goods. Originally, access to US markets to help thwart the spread of communism by the Soviet Union.
 

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Back to tariffs - can someone give me a serious answer on why Trump included multiple unpopulated island groups(one with a military base), and why some islands that are part of countries are listed separate from the countries they are part of?

I am a map nerd and had to look up a few of the places Trump included on his boards.

Heard and MacDonald Islands - uninhabited. 4 day boat ride from Australia to reach em(just learned that last night when I looked up where the 17 these are).
Christmas Island - this is an Australian territory. Just include it with Australia.
Mayotte - some tiny island east of Africa that is run by France. Just include it with France.
BIOT - This is a handful of Atolls in the Indian Ocean that is British Territory. They are Atolls!! Why in the glory17 is this listed? Just include it with Britain. THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS AND THE ONLY PEOPLE LIVING THERE TEMPORARILY ARE BRITISH AND AMERICAN MILITARY!
Gibralter - this is a British territory. Just include it with Britain.
Reunion - another tiny French island. Once more, just include it with France.
Svalbard and Jan Mayen - I dont know how to say this or even understand who controls the land. 30 seconds on Google shows it might be Norway, but its a partnership? Anyways, why the 17 is it specifically called out at all?
 
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Britannica: subsidy, a direct or indirect payment, economic concession, or privilege granted by a government to private firms, households, or other governmental units in order to promote a public objective.

Public objective: cheap goods. Originally, access to US markets to help thwart the spread of communism by the Soviet Union.
We did not give Canada $200 BILLION in subsidies. The $200 BILLION(or $100 BILLION as claimed another time) was referring to a trade deficit.

Your definition for what a subsidy is does not reference a trade deficit as a subsidy.
 
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My question is if all these jobs come back who's going to take them and what will it cost to get them to take them ?
That was the main issue with the Springfield, OH story. A company moved in but could not get locals to work. This led to Haitian immigrants moving in to fill those jobs. If people show up to work, this story never happens.
 
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He scares the **** out of me
But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.

The make America healthy again faction is as bipartisan as it gets. Classic us. We complain about the problem. A disruptor enters with change. We immediately challenge his credentials.

this goes for tariffs too. Do we want to be in a better position in 50 years? It’s going to require some short term pain for those long term gains. Whether it’s your 401K or your sugar intake. You have to make sacrifices.
 
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Are we GREAT AGAIN, yet? :ROFLMAO:
One of 2 things will almost certainly happen.

A sudden drop in the market in the relative near future or a longer period of stagnant growth. Nothing thats happened in the last 70 ish days is gonna change that. Market is inflated just like other prices from excess money in the economy and other things. P/E ratios through the 17ing roof.

But if i wanted to negotiate how the rest of the world tariffed us or took advantage of us, now would be the time. Take my lumps early in my term and battle back the last 3 years.
 
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...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
Sure. Supply and demand has nothing to do with cost*****************************************
 

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ALL of this is what thinking people knew was coming. It's hard to just watch it all happen. Like a slow moving avoidable train wreck that is being intentionally caused by the engineer, but no one including the conductors have the guts to make him stop . Wonder how long they will keep saying, "This is exactly what I voted for"?
Seinfeld Crying GIF by MOODMAN
 

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But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.

The make America healthy again faction is as bipartisan as it gets. Classic us. We complain about the problem. A disruptor enters with change. We immediately challenge his credentials.

this goes for tariffs too. Do we want to be in a better position in 50 years? It’s going to require some short term pain for those long term gains. Whether it’s your 401K or your sugar intake. You have to make sacrifices.
That’s the best defense you have? “We will all be better off 50 years from now. Be patient.”
 
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But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.

The make America healthy again faction is as bipartisan as it gets. Classic us. We complain about the problem. A disruptor enters with change. We immediately challenge his credentials.

this goes for tariffs too. Do we want to be in a better position in 50 years? It’s going to require some short term pain for those long term gains. Whether it’s your 401K or your sugar intake. You have to make sacrifices.
rfk jr has been known as a kook for literally 30 years, it's not new. Occasionally, he'll say something like "maybe we should take a look to see if red dye in food has a link to cancer?" and that sounds like a rational idea. Then he follows it up with "because red dye is actually how vampires prep your blood before they bite you"
 
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Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.
@DesotoCountyDawg Where are you? This statement has nothing to do with the thread and this bafoon does it all the time. Yet you haven't banned him yet!!
 
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