We're in a realignment phase that will put us in a better, more sustainable place. Sorry some of you are losing some money in your $401K today but that seems like a small price to pay to make the economy sustainable for another 50+ years.
Did he tell you to sell a couple days ago?My financial planner called me a couple days ago to tell me what was going to happen so that I wouldn’t panic.
Why does our tax dollars have to go toward Sesame Street in Afghanistan, and LGB programs in the Congo? Or wherever it was....Why do I have to pay more taxes to end world subsidies? Make it make sense!!111!
...but that isnt what I am referring to.Openly inviting unvetted people from other countries to come live in the USA for free on hard working taxpayers pocketbooks so you can manipulate the next census to keep long term power of this country is how Trump got elected.
Packing them up and sending them home without the same due process is getting what I voted for.....there is no scandal.
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Main article: Due Process Clause
The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause.[18] Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the Due Process Clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[19] The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the clauses as providing four protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.
We just had the country run for a couple if not four years by an unelected shadow government. That was a pretty big scandal.Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.
Instead, the leading story seems to continue to be the insanity that is tariffs. Also awful, but objectively nowhere near as unconscionable a policy decision as deporting people without Due Process and lying in justification.
Discussing what should be classified military attack plans on an open group chat with a journalist included should be the third biggest scandal this century. Just read about how that communication is supposed to happen and it is clear everyone involved is completely unserious about their jobs. The most ironic part of that scandal is one of the guys, on a group chat thru an app with a journalist invited, specifically claimed the military operation is verified secure. Ironic that he said that and was part of the issue and reason for it not being secure.
If the story of how these tariffs came about is true, and all the numbers Trump displayed yesterday aren't actually the numbers he claimed, then that should be yet another scandal...though a distant fourth to these other two that are also currently taking place.
I never thought I would live to see a scandal exceed the lies that were told to justify invading Iraq.
And I never thought I would live to see a bigger scandal basically get a pass and nobody be held accountable.
But here we are on SPS talking about tariffs instead.
It's been interesting to see how little political discussion there has been on SPS over the last month, despite the historically impactful chaos we all now live in.
Tariffs managed to break thru. Maybe because they impact everyone?
...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.Wow, that looks very mean. Some of those tariffs are up to half of what they charge us! Not fair!!!!
Correct, but there’s a chance this leads to more US jobs. The chance is greater than the chance with no reciprocal tariffs....but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
And as a doctor you must be pleased with giving someone like RFK jr. some authority over the nation's health and well being. I have a wife and doctor friends who learned so many inaccurate things in med school.****
I mean, the tariffs didn't help, but the 1930 depression was 17ing up the monetary supply and then the federal government being heavy handed enough in preventing what was left of the free market from working to make the depression great.
I don't believe thugs with face covering with no badge in unmarked vehicles abducting people on the street is due process. Do you?I'd also be interested in what process you think is due to non-citizens subject to deportation, and what statute or case law you are relying on in informing your position. I have never really considered it. The only thing I would be confident in predicting is that if someone subject to deportation claims to be a citizen, they have to be given the opportunity to make that case, including at minimum a reasonable way to procure documents. Beyond that, I would guess it is dependent on how they are in the country. But since you are sure they are not getting due process, I assume you have at least read a good secondary source explaining what process is due and what precedent they use to determine that, so I'd be interested to know the gist of it.
Leave Fauci out of this. Stay on topicI don't believe thugs with face covering with no badge in unmarked vehicles abducting people on the street is due process. Do you?
Wow that's nuts, when did that happen?Leave Fauci out of this. Stay on topic
You mean the person or entity paying the tax isn't necessarily the one bearing the burden? I wonder if there are any other taxes this logic could be applied to?...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
Nobody wants to acknowledge this. We have a pretty good gig and position set up still. Feels like we are creating problems to fix for some stupid unknown reason. Nothing like a self inflected loss bc you have faith in a billionaire and his billionaire supporters wanting to flip the entire world order upside down having regular Joes' best interests in their heart.It’s very simple. We have lived in a post ww2 world for 75 years where the USA has become immensely more prosperous. We’ve used that prosperity to empower billions of the world’s poorest people to work and earn a living. This allowed us to buy cheap goods and pulled people out of poverty. Win win. We’ve also used our prosperity to ensure that bad people don’t hurt other people. However, we now don’t seems to care and are fine with Putin/Russia taking over a country and using force to redraw the post ww2 map. Go head and stick your head in the sand though…
That basically contains no information about due process. You could use the same description about a lot of undercover operations. There is going to be a 4th amendment question as to what information was used to target somebody for detainment (which is not really a due process question unless you are talking about the state doing the detaining) and then there will be a due process question about what sort of opportunity to be heard is granted after detainment. Process being due does not necessarily mean the right to be heard in a formal hearing in front of a tribunal. I have no clue what kind of opportunity to be heard would satisfy the due process requirement for non-citizens in the country illegally.I don't believe thugs with face covering with no badge in unmarked vehicles abducting people on the street is due process. Do you?
An anchor said burning down the house to cook a steak.Nobody wants to acknowledge this. We have a pretty good gig and position set up still. Feels like we are creating problems to fix for some stupid unknown reason. Nothing like a self inflected loss bc you have faith in a billionaire and his billionaire supporters wanting to flip the entire world order upside down having regular Joes' best interests in their heart.
Although I do wish we could get some of our debt paid off/forgiven bc of the global security we largely financed over the last several decades. There's a lot of unpaid security owed to us for sure but I don't see how trade wars and "winning" trade deficit battles does anything to fix that. Seems like a bite nose to spite your face deal.
ALL of this is what thinking people knew was coming. It's hard to just watch it all happen. Like a slow moving avoidable train wreck that is being intentionally caused by the engineer, but no one including the conductors have the guts to make him stop . Wonder how long they will keep saying, "This is exactly what I voted for"?Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.
Instead, the leading story seems to continue to be the insanity that is tariffs. Also awful, but objectively nowhere near as unconscionable a policy decision as deporting people without Due Process and lying in justification.
Discussing what should be classified military attack plans on an open group chat with a journalist included should be the third biggest scandal this century. Just read about how that communication is supposed to happen and it is clear everyone involved is completely unserious about their jobs. The most ironic part of that scandal is one of the guys, on a group chat thru an app with a journalist invited, specifically claimed the military operation is verified secure. Ironic that he said that and was part of the issue and reason for it not being secure.
If the story of how these tariffs came about is true, and all the numbers Trump displayed yesterday aren't actually the numbers he claimed, then that should be yet another scandal...though a distant fourth to these other two that are also currently taking place.
I never thought I would live to see a scandal exceed the lies that were told to justify invading Iraq.
And I never thought I would live to see a bigger scandal basically get a pass and nobody be held accountable.
But here we are on SPS talking about tariffs instead.
It's been interesting to see how little political discussion there has been on SPS over the last month, despite the historically impactful chaos we all now live in.
Tariffs managed to break thru. Maybe because they impact everyone?
This is some Rick Scott-esque ********.It’s surprising how retarded some of you are. Check out who was footing the bill for Omni to fly in hundreds of thousands illegals into the US. And, you honestly believe they were vetted? Change cults dude
@johnson86-1 I actually think you're pretty principled conservative. I encourage you to look at the videotapes of some of the abductions, or arrests, or whatever you want to call them - and tell me they aren't exactly the same as what we saw/heard about happening in places like east Germany and South America when we were younger.That basically contains no information about due process.
LoL Politifact?This is some Rick Scott-esque ********.
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Migrants in parole program do not get free flights to the US
Recent social media posts claimed that migrants can use an app to get free flights to the U.S. "Let’s see what is actualwww.politifact.com
My granddaddy would liken them to pasture full of cows - “whatever they don’t eat, they **** on”An anchor said burning down the house to cook a steak.
Britannica: subsidy, a direct or indirect payment, economic concession, or privilege granted by a government to private firms, households, or other governmental units in order to promote a public objective.You need to look up what the word 'subsidize' means, and then stop using it so incorrectly.
A trade deficit is not the same as a subsidy. Those are different financial concepts.
We weren't subsidizing Canada to the tune of $200 billion and we aren't subsidizing other countries that we have a trade deficit with.
Wrong. Crash happens in 1929. Tariffs were an attempt to fund the country after unemployment skyrocketed.
If you aren't close to retirement, adjust your contributions up. If you are close to retirement, you shouldn't be invested in something that would have a ton of movement.Going to be a lot of bloodshed to start the day
We did not give Canada $200 BILLION in subsidies. The $200 BILLION(or $100 BILLION as claimed another time) was referring to a trade deficit.Britannica: subsidy, a direct or indirect payment, economic concession, or privilege granted by a government to private firms, households, or other governmental units in order to promote a public objective.
Public objective: cheap goods. Originally, access to US markets to help thwart the spread of communism by the Soviet Union.
That was the main issue with the Springfield, OH story. A company moved in but could not get locals to work. This led to Haitian immigrants moving in to fill those jobs. If people show up to work, this story never happens.My question is if all these jobs come back who's going to take them and what will it cost to get them to take them ?
But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.He scares the **** out of me
One of 2 things will almost certainly happen.Are we GREAT AGAIN, yet?![]()
Sure. Supply and demand has nothing to do with cost*****************************************...but many(most? all?) of the numbers listed as what we are charged by other countries are inaccurate.
Further, and I know you know this, but 'we' arent ultimately charged those rates since companies bake tariffs costs into the price of goods and typically spread the costs out across product lines and/or regions and countries. Consumers are ultimately the ones that pay tariffs.
ALL of this is what thinking people knew was coming. It's hard to just watch it all happen. Like a slow moving avoidable train wreck that is being intentionally caused by the engineer, but no one including the conductors have the guts to make him stop . Wonder how long they will keep saying, "This is exactly what I voted for"?
FIFYWhat our government HAS BEEN doing to our country is staggering.
That’s the best defense you have? “We will all be better off 50 years from now. Be patient.”But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.
The make America healthy again faction is as bipartisan as it gets. Classic us. We complain about the problem. A disruptor enters with change. We immediately challenge his credentials.
this goes for tariffs too. Do we want to be in a better position in 50 years? It’s going to require some short term pain for those long term gains. Whether it’s your 401K or your sugar intake. You have to make sacrifices.
rfk jr has been known as a kook for literally 30 years, it's not new. Occasionally, he'll say something like "maybe we should take a look to see if red dye in food has a link to cancer?" and that sounds like a rational idea. Then he follows it up with "because red dye is actually how vampires prep your blood before they bite you"But you’re completely nonplussed about the obesity epidemic and big pharma’s outsized influence on the med school graduates. Cool.
The make America healthy again faction is as bipartisan as it gets. Classic us. We complain about the problem. A disruptor enters with change. We immediately challenge his credentials.
this goes for tariffs too. Do we want to be in a better position in 50 years? It’s going to require some short term pain for those long term gains. Whether it’s your 401K or your sugar intake. You have to make sacrifices.
@DesotoCountyDawg Where are you? This statement has nothing to do with the thread and this bafoon does it all the time. Yet you haven't banned him yet!!Rounding people up and sending em to other countries without Due Process should be the biggest scandal of the century. It should be the leading story every day for every news platform.