I love Grayson and no he shouldn't be tripping players no matter what provoked it, but c'mon to say he should be suspended is a little much.
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I'm not excusing Grayson for his actions -- but I also think this is a pretty trivial event that would have undoubtedly fallen into the dustbins of history had it not involved a Duke player -- particularly one that has been annoited as the next hated player at Duke.
There were less than 5 seconds left in the game. Duke was trying to do the right thing by running out the clock to end the game. For whatever reason, however, FSU guys were not only still trying to go for a steal, but Xavier inexplicably started getting physical with Grayson as he stood some 25 feet away from the ball -- and then gave Grayson a second little shove in the back as he was trying to run out for a fastbreak. While obviously Grayson shouldn't have retaliated with a little leg trip -- and K needs to get him to eradicate that particular move from his bag of tricks, I'm not going to get all worked about it either. Grayson should have been bigger than that. But, I frankly think that entire sequence was unnecessary and a bit classless -- i.e., when a team is calling off the dogs in the last few seconds of a blowout, the proper response is not to get physical with players who are not even involved in the play. Maybe next time Duke plays FSU we should give up on running out the clock, and instead send Grayson down the lane for a tomahawk jam.
There were less than 5 seconds left in the game. Duke was trying to do the right thing by running out the clock to end the game. For whatever reason, however, FSU guys were not only still trying to go for a steal, but Xavier inexplicably started getting physical with Grayson as he stood some 25 feet away from the ball -- and then gave Grayson a second little shove in the back as he was trying to run out for a fastbreak. While obviously Grayson shouldn't have retaliated with a little leg trip -- and K needs to get him to eradicate that particular move from his bag of tricks, I'm not going to get all worked about it either. Grayson should have been bigger than that. But, I frankly think that entire sequence was unnecessary and a bit classless -- i.e., when a team is calling off the dogs in the last few seconds of a blowout, the proper response is not to get physical with players who are not even involved in the play. Maybe next time Duke plays FSU we should give up on running out the clock, and instead send Grayson down the lane for a tomahawk jam.
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I just watched the replay about ten times. Let's calm ourselves with the suspension talk. A little unctuous of us- he shouldn't of done it but it wasn't really that bad, just juvinial, talk to him make him run some laps and call it a day.
No reason for Allen to be in the game with 5 seconds to go. Coach K should have had the whole bench in including walk on players. I could see the ACC giving Allen a 1 game suspension but only time will tell. From now on when the game is in hand take your players out.
And after tonight i'd say a hefty amount of people wouldn't mind seeing it. Punk attitude needs to get checked real quick.
I pretty much agree with all your post, Aah. I didn't see the 'trip' at the end of the game, but after watching it this morning I just can't get too upset about it, especially considering all the circumstances.
K will handle Grayson in his own way. I doubt there will be a suspension, unless it comes from the ACC.
OFC
There is at least one person I would place higher on a list than Grayson Allen to get his face elbowed.
OFC
Go ahead and admit you are a tarheel You have to much hate for Grayson to pull for Duke. I Hate it happened and he should be disciplined within the team in some form.
There is absolutely nothing that warrants Grayson being suspended. This is such a ridiculous non-story being created by the media to try and create some interest in college basketball. Guess what? Catering to the Duke haters does exactly that. Diamond Stone did way worse when he was purposely slamming Vitto Brown's head into the ground not long ago and there was nowhere near as much outrage.
And I personally feel it's frankly quite embarrassing to see some of Duke's own fans not only jumping on this laughable bandwagon, but adding to it. At most, Krzyzewski and the coaches should have a word with him about it. Then just move on and be done with it because Grayson's right, this was nothing and is a total non-story.
And I personally feel it's frankly quite embarrassing to see some of Duke's own fans not only jumping on this laughable bandwagon, but adding to it. At most, Krzyzewski and the coaches should have a word with him about it. Then just move on and be done with it because Grayson's right, this was nothing and is a total non-story.
I'm sorry, I just don't agree. I'll reiterate one more time for those who chose not to read my post, a basic skill. I admitted I was being a little dramatic with the three game thing. If we can now look objectively past that...
He needs to be disciplined. No one has called for his head, nor have they compared him to anyone else who has done anything much worse, all that has been said by the collective few who view this in the way they view it is that he needs to be disciplined. Because it is a repeat, I would have chosen one game. Hell, the PR staff could even swing this thing beautifully by having Grayson say he came to K and asked for it himself. That'd be delightful.
I'm not out to vilify Gray. Honestly, as here or there as his draft stock is, he doesn't need a dirty tag placed on him. I could care less what a UK fan would say about him. I want the kid to have the best opportunity he can to play this game for 20 more years if he wants.
If nothing happens so be it. I'll support this squad as I always have. I just don't want him or anyone else on the team to become a target of aggression anymore than they already are. And believe me, with a thin bench, coaches are telling their guys to bump, scratch, bite and kick our guys.
If this makes me less of a Duke fan than you, cool, you can have the title.
He needs to be disciplined. No one has called for his head, nor have they compared him to anyone else who has done anything much worse, all that has been said by the collective few who view this in the way they view it is that he needs to be disciplined. Because it is a repeat, I would have chosen one game. Hell, the PR staff could even swing this thing beautifully by having Grayson say he came to K and asked for it himself. That'd be delightful.
I'm not out to vilify Gray. Honestly, as here or there as his draft stock is, he doesn't need a dirty tag placed on him. I could care less what a UK fan would say about him. I want the kid to have the best opportunity he can to play this game for 20 more years if he wants.
If nothing happens so be it. I'll support this squad as I always have. I just don't want him or anyone else on the team to become a target of aggression anymore than they already are. And believe me, with a thin bench, coaches are telling their guys to bump, scratch, bite and kick our guys.
If this makes me less of a Duke fan than you, cool, you can have the title.
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I didn't see it live either. Did not see it till ESPN played it this AM. While I don't think this incident alone warrants a suspension, I do believe he should be facing some kind of discipline. This isn't just one incident. It's becoming somewhat of a pattern. Allen has got to be better than this.
Sorry posted this in new thread. I watched it too over and over in slo-no. To me it's close. Live it looks legit. Slo-mo -- hard to tell. Looks like he tried walking away and foot came up as part of walking.
This all could be because I'm a Grayson fan and wear Grayson darkened out sunglasses.
This all could be because I'm a Grayson fan and wear Grayson darkened out sunglasses.
ACC is going to look at this, my guess is he gets a 1 gamer due to this now being a repeat transgression.
I hate this, he's better than this and his selfishness is going to hurt the team.
There's most definitely an immaturity to Grayson Allen and this is one example of it.
I hate this, he's better than this and his selfishness is going to hurt the team.
There's most definitely an immaturity to Grayson Allen and this is one example of it.
I'd guess he gets a 1 game suspension. The public outcry, from ESPN and their a$$hole unc leader, has gone on nonstop since they got the footage last night. Sucks, but regardless of what led up to GA doing this he has to know better. He's way to good a player to do stuff like this. (x2)
I'm guessing there is a 1 game suspension and I'm ok with that, i'm also ok with it being handled internally. If he does have a one game suspension I hope K comes out and talks about how we don't condone allen's reactions. With that being said, he needs to also get on the official similar to louisville. The officials are allowing other teams to make non basketball physical actions all game vs him and ingram. Allen has responded poorly at times, but K needs to send a message to the officials
Yea he shouldn't have but I don't blame him. Like stated any other player at any other school would be a non issue. They hate us cause they ain't us
Everyone just needs to calm down and quit trippin'
Exactly!!
This isn't a good look for him, and I wish he would maintain his composure. But this doesn't warrant anything more than a very pointed discussion between him and coach about handling himself in that moment. A suspension? C'mon. I think that is ridiculous. And that is not coming from any desire to see him avoid responsibility for his actions. It is just a punishment that is significantly out of whack in relation to the "crime."
Is there video of the whole play and what happened? All I saw was just a short clip of the trip. I like to see what all happened as Duke was trying to run the clock out.
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I believe that if the ACC reviews only the last 5 seconds of game tape, than Grayson will get a 1 game suspension.
However, if the ACC reviews the final 2 minutes, they will see that FSU was getting very chippy, and will let Grayson's "trip" slide.
I HATE the fact that this "trip" immediately hit ESPN.
However, if the ACC reviews the final 2 minutes, they will see that FSU was getting very chippy, and will let Grayson's "trip" slide.
I HATE the fact that this "trip" immediately hit ESPN.
No, you were talked down to b/c when you claim he deserved to be elbowed in the face you are beneath the rest of us.
I don't like the tripping, at all, but I can see in no way , shape or form , how the ACC could suspend him a game for THAT ! If that's the case, there will be suspensions all over the league every week. It was minor at best, petty, but minor. I'm a different review kind of guy. EVERY game we play , I watch it at least 3 or 4 times. slow mo , rewind, I get critical. That kid was roughing Grayson up big time, pestering him, knee to the back of the leg, harsh push offs. I know Grayson gets pissed and tired of it. K mentioned it himself how much abuse the kid takes. Don't like the way he did it but he sent a message right there. This is something k needs to speak to him about, but a suspension? HELL NO.
Tell us more about how we shouldn't get you wrong b/c you love Grayson but want to see him get elbowed in the face.
They also mugged the $#it out of Ingram several times, HARD, with no whistle.
Not a big deal. He took a beating during the game. This just gives everyone a little more reason to hate us.
duke fans complaining about not getting foul calls is like Russians complaining they don't have enough vodka...you've had plenty already.
Haha and there it is.... dude find another narrative it's getting old, like Bobby Bowden old.
Although I don't disagree with a potential 1 game suspension if you look only at grayson's reactions, it will be pretty comical compared to what has been going on. A Louisville player blatantly elbows allen in the face with intentions of causing physical harm, allen trips someone to slow them down (annoying). The elbow results in flagrant 1, the trips are a flagrant 1 and maybe a suspension. There's a plethora of non basketball physical plays purposely happening every game to grayson but his trips will be shown because he's the duke star. I don't agree with him tripping, I'd rather him get in the other players face and get a T instead of reacting like a child.
Grayson isn't some punk, he's getting hammered every game and not much is getting called. He keeps coming back for more. I'd be completely fine with K bringing Obi in for a few hard screens on the person(s) guarding grayson. Grayson and K can make a simple statement apologizing for his reactions, hold him out for a half or game, whatever it is. Lets move on.
Grayson isn't some punk, he's getting hammered every game and not much is getting called. He keeps coming back for more. I'd be completely fine with K bringing Obi in for a few hard screens on the person(s) guarding grayson. Grayson and K can make a simple statement apologizing for his reactions, hold him out for a half or game, whatever it is. Lets move on.
old nole fan here ... grayson needs to get this stuff under control ... if he is a dirty player i am completely unaware of it ... he is too great of a player to do this stuff ... however, he doesn't deserve a suspension ... if we closely reviewed the game, we probably would see 10+ things much more flagrant ... don't worry - coach k with deal with this and straighten grayson out
Anyway, Jeter had some nice stretches there. I'm definitely glad he gave some nice minutes against a BIG team. That 4 minute stretch of charge, dunk, block rebound was fantastic. It's starting to click and I think he will be able to handle the physicality, he just has to regain his nice scoring touch, which he definitely has.
As the Crazies said last night to FSU, I say the same to you. Just go home...
He should be suspended for 1 game. One time, and it can be considered a mistake in the heat of the moment. Two times, and it's becoming a pattern of behavior that deserves punishment.
No disrespect towards you stanleyduke but what makes you think the coaches will handle it?
It's a repeat from Grayson from a couple of weeks ago and I don't see that anythings been handled by the coaches. K is not going to remove our best player from the lineup, especially with how thin we are. If we had a couple of other go to guys I could see a one game suspension but not with this thin lineup.
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