Dylan Favre

trumaroon

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I'm not going to say that it will be next year but I can see Dylan Favre being the guy to take us to the next level as a program. The ground work is being laid down right now and we will have the weapons he needs. He has an extremely quick release and is fast for a QB. He will bring the demeanor we need at the QB position as well as the media attention to get us recognized nationally. He has the confidence and the attitude to energize our fan base when we need it during the game. Seeing him at practice in August the kid is fearless and makes plays. He has great pocket awareness and will be able to move around to find throwing lanes. He has the skill set to utilize Mullen's entire playbook. This is gonna be a fun next few years.

*I am not saying T-Russ is a bust
*I know Relf has us at 6-2
 

trumaroon

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I'm not going to say that it will be next year but I can see Dylan Favre being the guy to take us to the next level as a program. The ground work is being laid down right now and we will have the weapons he needs. He has an extremely quick release and is fast for a QB. He will bring the demeanor we need at the QB position as well as the media attention to get us recognized nationally. He has the confidence and the attitude to energize our fan base when we need it during the game. Seeing him at practice in August the kid is fearless and makes plays. He has great pocket awareness and will be able to move around to find throwing lanes. He has the skill set to utilize Mullen's entire playbook. This is gonna be a fun next few years.

*I am not saying T-Russ is a bust
*I know Relf has us at 6-2
 

trumaroon

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I'm not going to say that it will be next year but I can see Dylan Favre being the guy to take us to the next level as a program. The ground work is being laid down right now and we will have the weapons he needs. He has an extremely quick release and is fast for a QB. He will bring the demeanor we need at the QB position as well as the media attention to get us recognized nationally. He has the confidence and the attitude to energize our fan base when we need it during the game. Seeing him at practice in August the kid is fearless and makes plays. He has great pocket awareness and will be able to move around to find throwing lanes. He has the skill set to utilize Mullen's entire playbook. This is gonna be a fun next few years.

*I am not saying T-Russ is a bust
*I know Relf has us at 6-2
 

smootness

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(Insert top QB on the depth chart that hasn't actually played yet) is going to be a stud and will take us to a level we've never been before.
 

fishwater99

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Sutterkane

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With Green and Berry out, we're missing experience in that area BIG TIME. I mean, our most polished receiver is a true sophomore. If we had people who could catch the damn ball we'd be 7-1.
 

Dawgzilla

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It doesn't matter how good our receivers are when Relf cannot throw the ball the their zip code.
 

Sutterkane

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they get absolute minimum separation. Asking Ralph to get the ball into tight windows is not a good gameplan. He's simply not that good of a passer. However, our receivers are not helping him out by not getting open. If they could even get a step on somebody Ralph can get it to them.
 

Hidog78

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The keebler elf is the next level above the midget ? He would have to stand on a tree stump to get to the next level. His name recognition is going south thanks to Uncle Brett.I'm still trying to understand why we offer him a anything in the first place.
 

Dawgzilla

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Relf had wide open receivers, and couldn't get the ball near them. He couldn't even throw a screen pass with any accuracy. He had an easy TD to Heavens if he just leads him toward the sideline instead of throwing towards the middle of the field -- and that's a throw a Div. 1 QB should be able to make. Arceto Clark had a separation from his man on a post route and Relf threw the ball over his head and behind him, as well.

There is no doubt we need an upgrade at the receiver position, and they are part of the problem. But Relf's passing Saturday Night was simply unacceptable.
 

Purebred Dawg

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- Broke MS state record for TD passes by 40
-81 TDs his SR year (63 pass, 18 rush)
-Starred on both sides of the ball and averaged 41.4 yards per punt
-Led his team to the 4A state title and won Mr Football

I have no earthly idea why we'd offer such a guy. Get real.
 

MedDawg

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Favre had one of the 4 best seasonsin allof U.S. high school football history.All-time, all schoolsincludesa lot of different systems and players over a lot of years. And it's not like he's 5'7" 150 pounds. It would be different if we had a clearly dominant QB ahead of him, but we don't.
 

AllAmericanDawg

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MedDawg said:
Favre had one of the 4 best seasonsin allof U.S. high school football history.All-time, all schoolsincludesa lot of different systems and players over a lot of years. And it's not like he's 5'7" 150 pounds. It would be different if we had a clearly dominant QB ahead of him, but we don't.
It'snot like the guys in front of him are lighting itup.
 

RougeDawg

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to wear when he, if he, ever gets to play... Didn't we all learn a lesson with Mini Lee the last 2 years?
 

skb124

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Right becausesince he's similar in size obviously means he's the exact same quarterback. Quit being an idiot. He may turn out to be nothing but quit discounting the kid just due to his size. Lack of size does not equal terribleness. Its really not cool to bash on a shortkid just to earn internet cred on sixpack.
 

RougeDawg

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5'9" < 6'1"-6'5"... because that is the size of most D Lineman he will be trying to see over, let alone trying to throw over. I'm sure his first pass will be batted back to him like uncle Brett's was. I never once said he was going to play like Lee. Re-read if you must. And 5'9" is probably giving him a couple inches, but still not tall enough to see over the line.
 

ALdawg.sixpack

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doug flutie was 5'10" and drew brees is 6'0".....

would i prefer he was taller? yes
does the fact that he is short mean he can't be a good QB? no
 

skb124

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You're an idiot because you act like what you think is absolutely correct. Yea its more difficult for shorter QBs but its not impossible. I'm not going to get on here and say that he is the second coming of Drew Brees or Doug Flutie, but just because he is short does not mean he is doomed to failure. Masoli is shorter than the lineman and he seems to be playing pretty well right now. I swear most State fans have the most negative attitudes towards everything. If Favre did not happen to come right after Lee then people would be enamored by his numbers.
 

Todd4State

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ALdawg said:
doug flutie was 5'10" and drew brees is 6'0".....

would i prefer he was taller? yes
does the fact that he is short mean he can't be a good QB? no


that people think that 6'0" is undersized for a QB. If you ask a NFL scout what the minimum desired height for a QB is, they would say 6'0" tall. Yes, Drew Brees is 6'0" tall, and NO he is NOT undesized.
 

BullDawgin

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I like all the **** talking being done about him. Little man syndrome should kick in this spring and at least create the desire to "bring us to the next level"<div>
</div><div>/time will tell</div><div>
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Todd4State

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First of all, MSU fans are some of the worst at impatience when it comes to QB's. Personally, I think Tyler has looked pretty good for a freshman. Is he Peyton Manning? No. But who is? Does he need to work on some things? Absolutely. Should we throw him to the curb? Hell no.

Is he the real deal? Time will tell. Is Dylan Favre the real deal? Time will tell. We don't know on either of them because you have to develop QB's in today's game unless you have a once in a lifetime, top 10 QB in NFL history, who grew up with a NFL QB in the house. You look at Georgia, and they're starting a freshman QB, and their team has struggled this year. And he's a good QB.

The thing people have to remember about QB's is that they have to be developed. And that takes time. Usually at least two years before a QB is even ready to take the reigns of a SEC team. A QB that comes to MSU is going to have to learn a MUCH more complex offense that whatever he ran in high school, and with that comes new terminology, new coaches that they have to adjust to, and on top of all of that, they are going to be going up against much more complex defenses with much better and faster players than what they have ever seen before and defenses being cooked up by football geniouses like Nick Saban and on top of all of that adjust to college life and life as a college football player. That's a LOT to ask. And many- like Tyler Russell- need a year in the weight room.

Then after their redshirt year, they get into games, and all of a sudden, they find out that some of the things that they could get away with in high school- like throwing into triple coverage, throwing a ball up in the middle of the field to make a play- thay can't get away with that in college. It also may be that they had a great o-line in high school and they could hold the ball all day, and now all of a sudden they can't get away with that.

Of course, we fans see the gross errors that I mentioned above and we get pissed off, and we're ready to assume that the guy is a bust and throw him to the curb and want to try the next guy. That's stupid. What we have to do is protect and develop our QB's, because if you throw a guy out there too soon, you may very well destroy their confidence for good. That means redshirting QB's, and that also means using them as back-ups as freshmen, and then by year three, they should be competent enough to start, and then by their junior year and senior year be really good.

So, back to Tyler and Dylan, here's what I think:

I think Tyler will be a very good QB for us. I think he will replace Relf, and I think when he gets to his upperclass years, he will be one of the better QB's in the SEC. His QB rating is very good as it is. I have been really impressed with his arm strength- he may have the strongest arm of any MSU QB I've ever seen, and he has a knack for making plays. If you have a guy like Tyler who can stretch the field vertically, and can make the short passes and complete 60% of his passes, it is going to make our running game that much better because all of a sudden, if someone stacks the box, we're going to burn them like Derrick Taite burned Tulane in 1994. They back out, and then we hand the ball off to Ladarius Perkins or whoever, and then we burn them on the ground. People see us getting these WR recruits, I have to think that some of that is because of Tyler because they have seen him play and they know he can get them the ball downfield. It ain't because they want to block for Relf.

I'm not wild about Dylan Favre. I do think he is too short to play in the SEC, I think he has/had poor throwing mechanics, and I question his arm strength. But, nonetheless, that doesn't mean that he can't be a serviceable QB. I remember Stewart Patridge at Ole Miss who was a below average athlete, but he was a good QB. I could see Dylan possibly being sort of like that. Someone who as a fifth year senior can run the offense and make the right plays and make very few mistakes. And I'll say this- he's a better passer than Relf.

And about the high school stats- uh.....most SEC QB's had great high school stats. Yes, Dylan had great high school stats. His team also got beat by Jackson Prep. Tyler led his team to a 5A Championship- the highest class in Mississippi at that time- and beat a South Panola team that probably a lot of people thought was invincible and had a winning streak of infiniti going into that game. And Tyler led that team to the win. Both were Parade All-Americans.

And I'll say this- both have a great QB coach in Dan Mullen working with them. We all have that going for us.
 

Coach34

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than Ralph's? Kevin Fant? I think he has a good arm, but **** dude, don't jump off a cliff
 

PBRME

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It's already been decided that Tyler is a bust, and Dylan is our best qb. That is until next season when Dylan doesn't beat Relf or Tyler for the starting spot. That's when Dak Prescott becomes the greatest qb to ever step foot on campus. The best position on the team is our next qb.
 

dogfan96

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Relf throws bombs downfield and it hardly even looks like he's stepping into his throw.. now his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired but as for pure arm strength, he's got it.
 

Coach34

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Ralph has a stronger arm. ****, I bet he can throw it 70 yards. He's not even stepping into passes he throws 45-50 yards. Ralph is throwing scud missiles- they go a long way, just no idea where they might hit

Russell has been floating the ball on passes at 40 yards- watch the Alcorn game- he floated a few in that one. He has more touch than Ralph will ever have- but he damn sure doesnt have a stronger arm
 

BigMSUDawg

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I'm not going to get into who should or should not be QB, but on the subject of how tall Favre is...

I am 5' 11" (and a half). After the games, my family meets some friends outside the locker room and wait on the players to come out. I walked right up to Favre for the expressed purpose of measuring him. While we were in comparable shoes, I was 'standing up straight' and walked right up like I was going to give him an ear exam. I had to look 'up' to his eyes (not much, but it's definitely not looking down). That kid is every bit of 5'-11', if not 6'.

FWIW, when I did that to Tyson Lee, who was listed at 5'-10", I looked right at the top of his head. I think I was easily 3 inches taller than him.
 

patdog

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Every single person I've ever seen post on this board who has actually stood next to Dylan Favre has said that he's a legitimate 5'11". And yet we still have so many who seem to be convinced he's at least 2 inches shorter than that.
 

Todd4State

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Coach34 said:
Ralph has a stronger arm. ****, I bet he can throw it 70 yards. He's not even stepping into passes he throws 45-50 yards. Ralph is throwing scud missiles- they go a long way, just no idea where they might hit



Russell has been floating the ball on passes at 40 yards- watch the Alcorn game- he floated a few in that one. He has more touch than Ralph will ever have- but he damn sure doesnt have a stronger arm


You talk about Russell "floating" passes- his are MUCH more on line that Relf's.

That's not even how you judge arm strength anyway- get both of them to throw a deep out pattern and which of the two would be more on line- Tyler.
 

AlCoDog

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BigMSUDawg said:
I'm not going to get into who should or should not be QB, but on the subject of how tall Favre is...

I am 5' 11" (and a half). After the games, my family meets some friends outside the locker room and wait on the players to come out.
I walked right up to Favre for the expressed purpose of measuring him. While we were in comparable shoes, I was 'standing up straight' and walked right up like I was going to give him an ear exam.
I had to look 'up' to his eyes (not much, but it's definitely not looking down). That kid is every bit of 5'-11', if not 6'.

FWIW, when I did that to Tyson Lee, who was listed at 5'-10", I looked right at the top of his head. I think I was easily 3 inches taller than him.
When you do this, do you speak or do you just walk right up on them all crazy like? Do you run your hand from the top of your head straight across the top of theirs?
 

dogfan96

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which would get there quicker? probably Relf, although it may bounce or be 5 yards over the guy's head.
 

Coach34

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velocity and distance being the main two ways- and Ralph wins both of those vs Russell and its not all that close
 

BigMSUDawg

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There is a crowd of people there, he didn't even notice me. I was just curious. I'd heard he was short over and over, but perplexed that nobody says that about Masoli, who is also listed at 5'-11". I assumed that Favre must be shorter than 5'-11'.

Like I said, though. He is not.
 

OMlawdog

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The last time I was around Dylan Favre he was around 5'9". That was year ago, so maybe he has gotten taller, he ain't playing, and probably won't play for at least 2 more years, so who really cares?</p>