East Towne Mall Arrest

TheBeav815

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Beav you are such a lib, I have no problem with cops beating any human that has pulled a knife on people. Beat her *** until she does what she is told to do. She resisted and got what was coming.
You're confusing my saying, "That's not necessary to make the arrest" with "I feel sorry for the perp." Or perhaps with, "F tha po-lice." I don't feel sorry for her. I made that clear multiple times but I can only lead you horses to words, I can't make you read.

*Once again* I don't have a problem with cops. The last few times I've been pulled over, I've gotten a warning because I'm all, "Yes sir, no sir, thank you sir, sorry sir" about it. I also had the benefit of being raised and schooled by people who taught me how to do that, and I have the benefit of a psych degree that tells me how to make people feel more at ease and to assure them that I'm not a threat. A lot of other people don't have that, a lot of people are scared shitless of cops and they start getting arrested and they panic. Once panic sets in, it's basically like handling an animal. Words and "lawful orders" are out the window, you can talk but they don't process what you're saying. You start hurting the animal, you're probably just going to make it panic more.

Let's have this statement for the umpteenth time: Cops don't determine guilt and give out the punishment, a judge does. That's how it's written. For how much you guys love to wave around a certain amendment in other debates, you seem to forget about what the documents say about people's rights when accused of a crime. It doesn't go, "If you get the cops called on you, you did it and they get to bust you up to teach you a lesson." You don't have to like the rules, but those are the rules.

I'm assuming she no longer had the knife available to her when the cops contacted her or they probably would have drawn their weapons on her. I get that she's a nut, that's neither here nor there. If you have video evidence to the contrary, this would be the part where you state when in the video that can be seen.

 
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You're confusing my saying, "That's not necessary to make the arrest" with "I feel sorry for the perp." Or perhaps with, "F tha po-lice." I don't feel sorry for her. I made that clear multiple times but I can only lead you horses to words, I can't make you read.

*Once again* I don't have a problem with cops. The last few times I've been pulled over, I've gotten a warning because I'm all, "Yes sir, no sir, thank you sir, sorry sir" about it. I also had the benefit of being raised and schooled by people who taught me how to do that, and I have the benefit of a psych degree that tells me how to make people feel more at ease and to assure them that I'm not a threat. A lot of other people don't have that, a lot of people are scared shitless of cops and they start getting arrested and they panic. Once panic sets in, it's basically like handling an animal. Words and "lawful orders" are out the window, you can talk but they don't process what you're saying. You start hurting the animal, you're probably just going to make it panic more.

Let's have this statement for the umpteenth time: Cops don't determine guilt and give out the punishment, a judge does. That's how it's written. For how much you guys love to wave around a certain amendment in other debates, you seem to forget about what the documents say about people's rights when accused of a crime. It doesn't go, "If you get the cops called on you, you did it and they get to bust you up to teach you a lesson." You don't have to like the rules, but those are the rules.

I'm assuming she no longer had the knife available to her when the cops contacted her or they probably would have drawn their weapons on her. I get that she's a nut, that's neither here nor there. If you have video evidence to the contrary, this would be the part where you state when in the video that can be seen.

The cop was definitely "giving her the business" when he probably didn't need to, but I can't say I would've handled the situation any better. Police have one of the toughest jobs out there. They're expected to deal with dysfunction constantly, but always take the high road without exception. I don't envy them.
 
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Funny, I have never been hit or shot or taxed by a cop. Some people would say that's because I'm not a minority. I would argue that the more likely reason is because I don't interact with people around me by pulling knives on them, etc.
 

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The problem is that we have been giving people too many excuses to be victims so they have a victim attitude. We've been blaming everything and everyone but the people that are actually making bad decisions. She obviously had a f the police attitude that our country and media are perpetrating. Beav again demonstrates an attitude that shows us exactly what's wrong with our country. It's time to stop coddling and victimizing the criminals. This lady pulled a knife and didn't think she did anything wrong and people are focusing on the police. Something is wrong with that.
 

Soda Popinski

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The problem is that we have been giving people too many excuses to be victims so they have a victim attitude. We've been blaming everything and everyone but the people that are actually making bad decisions. She obviously had a f the police attitude that our country and media are perpetrating. Beav again demonstrates an attitude that shows us exactly what's wrong with our country. It's time to stop coddling and victimizing the criminals. This lady pulled a knife and didn't think she did anything wrong and people are focusing on the police. Something is wrong with that.
While I don't disagree entirely with your overall sentiment, I disagree with beating people after they've been detained. Everything that happened up until that point was fine as far as I'm concerned.
 

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You're confusing my saying, "That's not necessary to make the arrest" with "I feel sorry for the perp." Or perhaps with, "F tha po-lice." I don't feel sorry for her. I made that clear multiple times but I can only lead you horses to words, I can't make you read.

*Once again* I don't have a problem with cops. The last few times I've been pulled over, I've gotten a warning because I'm all, "Yes sir, no sir, thank you sir, sorry sir" about it. I also had the benefit of being raised and schooled by people who taught me how to do that, and I have the benefit of a psych degree that tells me how to make people feel more at ease and to assure them that I'm not a threat. A lot of other people don't have that, a lot of people are scared shitless of cops and they start getting arrested and they panic. Once panic sets in, it's basically like handling an animal. Words and "lawful orders" are out the window, you can talk but they don't process what you're saying. You start hurting the animal, you're probably just going to make it panic more.

Let's have this statement for the umpteenth time: Cops don't determine guilt and give out the punishment, a judge does. That's how it's written. For how much you guys love to wave around a certain amendment in other debates, you seem to forget about what the documents say about people's rights when accused of a crime. It doesn't go, "If you get the cops called on you, you did it and they get to bust you up to teach you a lesson." You don't have to like the rules, but those are the rules.

I'm assuming she no longer had the knife available to her when the cops contacted her or they probably would have drawn their weapons on her. I get that she's a nut, that's neither here nor there. If you have video evidence to the contrary, this would be the part where you state when in the video that can be seen.



The cops can arrest you if they think you have broken the law. They also have the right to do a stop and frisk for their safety if they think you may be carrying a weapon. Since you brought up the rules, the rules are that you don't get to resist an officer. If and when you do, you are going to be charged with a crime and there is a good chance you will be struck by one or more officers if you continue to ignore their directions. I agree that the cop that struck her was very slight, and I don't really agree with all of what he did, but you're wrong to dismiss her mental state as insignificant. Cop doesn't want to get spit on, pinched, scratched, kicked or bitten any more than you or I want to.

There are plenty of civil liberties lawyers out there just itchin to file suit against the police, not to mention "community leaders" and "news outlets" that would love to run law enforcement through the mud.
 
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You guys got me, all I wanna do is make excuses for criminals and I don't want there to be any laws. I made up the current laws about people being entitled to a trial by jury and the concept of people being brought before a judge to be sentenced is all just a part of the liberal agenda. Because we all hate the police and want to ruin their lives. If you'll pardon me, evidently I'm also an arsonist, so I guess I gotta get back to that.
 

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While I don't disagree entirely with your overall sentiment, I disagree with beating people after they've been detained. Everything that happened up until that point was fine as far as I'm concerned.
Congratulations on being able to share my exact opinion without having become "everything that's wrong with this country."
 
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You guys got me, all I wanna do is make excuses for criminals and I don't want there to be any laws. I made up the current laws about people being entitled to a trial by jury and the concept of people being brought before a judge to be sentenced is all just a part of the liberal agenda. Because we all hate the police and want to ruin their lives. If you'll pardon me, evidently I'm also an arsonist, so I guess I gotta get back to that.

You are off topic. You're fixated on judges and juries, and they have nothing to do with the OP.
 
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TheBeav815

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You are off topic. You're fixated on judges and juries, and they have nothing to do with the OP.
My disagreement isn't really with you, we mostly agree. People are justifying the OP with a sentiment of, "If you allegedly commit a crime then you deserve to be beaten." That's not how the laws are written.
 

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I finally watched the footage all the way to the end. I'm amazed that the guy who shot the video didn't get taken down himself at the 4:40 mark when he said, "please move, ma'am, before I beat your ***" to the female EMS who was trying to block his vantage.

As for the arrest, I don't agree with the knees to her side and especially the closed-fist punch, but all in all, I think those officers showed restraint in handling a very difficult situation. If you threaten people with violence and/or death, fail to comply with the police and then resist arrest including spitting in their faces and kicking them, bad things are going to happen.
 
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I have trained with a close to 400 pound guy who played tackle for the Mavs and Beef. He is a physical freak. I had him in a guillotine choke once and he picked me up seven feet in the air like I was a ragdoll. I could have choked him out, but he would have crushed me on re-entry.

Uh huh.

I wrestled a giant alligator into submission with one hand tied behind my back in the time it took me to type this sentence. True story: I was a sparring partner for Mike Tyson when he held the HWT title belt but his manager gave me the boot because I cracked Iron Mike's ribs first time we trained.
 

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Oh you & resdog are full of it.

When I encounter a 400 # er, or a big *** gator, or Mike Tyson's funky ***, I dip into my
'raslin'' trunks & dust 'em with the infamous foreign substance. Can't nobody whup me!
 

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Maybe I'm just gullible, but I believe resdog's training story. Isn't he some kind of MMA instructor?
 

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Maybe I'm just gullible, but I believe resdog's training story. Isn't he some kind of MMA instructor?

Practically every other guy at the gym is an MMA instructor or MMA fighter these days. "MMA instructor" is the modern equivalent of the Aerobics Instructors back in the 80's - they're everywhere and anyone in decent shape can claim to be one.
 
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Maybe I'm just gullible, but I believe resdog's training story. Isn't he some kind of MMA instructor?
I'm certainly not an MMA instructor. I have trained in it plenty, but I mostly suck compared to the guys that actually train in it for real. I was referencing training at work. You know all those times people watch videos like the above and say "them cops need more training". That is what we were doing. Me and the big guy were just messing around at that point and I slapped a guillotine on him. He showed me how small I really was. In the video above, either of them cops could have easily bear hugged that tiny woman and did a WWE bodyslam on her with relative ease, but they didn't. Why? Because they were trying to use the minimum of force and just handcuff her. She is the one who continued to refuse to let them do that.
 
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Funny, I have never been hit or shot or taxed by a cop. Some people would say that's because I'm not a minority. I would argue that the more likely reason is because I don't interact with people around me by pulling knives on them, etc.



Strange how that works...as a Filipino, I'm probably one of the biggest minorities on the Board and I never seem to have any issues.
 
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Practically every other guy at the gym is an MMA instructor or MMA fighter these days. "MMA instructor" is the modern equivalent of the Aerobics Instructors back in the 80's - they're everywhere and anyone in decent shape can claim to be one.


No doubt. I wear Affliction shirt = I am MMA Fighter. Too many of those guys apparently sleep @ Holiday Inn Express...I suppose my extensive wrestling career makes me a MMA Fighter.
 

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Oh, you got me, since I'm not a cop it's not longer true that two men are far stronger than one woman. My lack of cuffing experience has rendered untrue this fact of human biology.

Beav, let me preface this by saying that I agree that it probably could have been done better, re: punches to the side and so on. I didn't watch the video, just reading what others have posted on here.

That being said, working in corrections, I have done restraints and witnessed many more. Recently I was involved in a restraint where I (6'5" 280) and one of my supervisors (6'7" 240) had to restrain a kid who is probably 130 lbs. Sounds easy, right? We managed, but when the adrenaline dump happens you are dealing with flailing arms, legs, etc. at a strength much higher than normal. That isn't even trying to cuff anyone either, we were just trying to get the kid under control so he didn't hurt himself or others.

I've also seen it take 7-8 deputies (who we call when we can't deal with a situation) to handle a fit juvenile male, not because they were incompetent or weak either.

The point I'm trying to make is that it looks easy on COPS and whatever other TV shows one might watch, but actually physically dealing with a resisting person is about more than just body mass and size. You are trying to gain control of someone without causing serious bodily harm while fighting your own adrenaline rush and fight or flight response.