EDIT: Losing because of Wimsatt

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He’s been in our program three years and still can’t complete a wide open 5 yard screen pass or allowed to throw between the numbers. They only let him throw outside the DB where the only other person with the opposite uniform is the other team’s trainer or special teams coach.

It’s not experience, mechanics or anything that more time will fix. He is not a college level passer, period. He’s a great athlete who has had enough opportunity to become a serviceable college QB. Were past the point of debate.

Instead, he’s the #2 running option on a team that can only win on the ground, a certain failure against all good teams.
But it gets you bowl eligible and that’s the positive side. Imagine McCord playing for Rutgers this season. I think he would have won fewer than six games honestly. He has NFL all-pro receivers and running backs and will likely be home for the playoffs.
 

Shelby65

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Owl….Yes, it was good enough to get to a bowl this year thanks to the defense and Monangai.

I would argue that the MSU game was handed to RU via the two glaring Q4 gaffes and the scandal, and the week 1 win against another new coach & scandal. So it’s a misleading 6 win season.

But sure they all count so we’re bowling.

Problem is, if 6 wins is the ceiling we won’t get 6 all the time. Having a real shot a 8 or 9 will get us bowling every year at a minimum and GW isn’t capable of that in our conference.
 

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Owl….Yes, it was good enough to get to a bowl this year thanks to the defense and Monangai.

I would argue that the MSU game was handed to RU via the two glaring Q4 gaffes and the scandal, and the week 1 win against another new coach & scandal. So it’s a misleading 6 win season.

But sure they all count so we’re bowling.

Problem is, if 6 wins is the ceiling we won’t get 6 all the time. Having a real shot a 8 or 9 will get us bowling every year at a minimum and GW isn’t capable of that in our conference.
If you build an Iowa level defense (I think Greg is certainly capable of doing this at Rutgers) you can go 10-2 with no offense to speak of. Iowa only lost to Penn St and Minnesota this year despite playing many very close games. And the schedule gets much much easier going forward with the defense-optional PAC-12 teams coming over.
 

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Wimsatt is an adequate college run first QB but he is an inaccurate soft-tosser.

He just doesn’t a rocket arm and he’s consistently inaccurate. That will lead to tons of picks v the upper half of the BiG.

Hopefully Surace is the answer next yr.

Except it didn’t lead to “tons of licks vs the top”. Some yes. Not tons. Kid improved and will continue to next year. Surface can compete maybe. Portal kid can compete as well if we choose to get one
 

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But it gets you bowl eligible and that’s the positive side. Imagine McCord playing for Rutgers this season. I think he would have won fewer than six games honestly. He has NFL all-pro receivers and running backs and will likely be home for the playoffs.
McCord is 65.8% 3170 yards 24 TD 6 Int. We would have won the six we did plus Wiscy too. Yes he has good receivers but someone still needs to throw catchable balls.
 

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If you build an Iowa level defense (I think Greg is certainly capable of doing this at Rutgers) you can go 10-2 with no offense to speak of. Iowa only lost to Penn St and Minnesota this year despite playing many very close games. And the schedule gets much much easier going forward with the defense-optional PAC-12 teams coming over.
Those defenses only seemed weak because of the high-powered offenses. We ain’t beating them either by scoring 17 at best.
 

Shelby65

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If you build an Iowa level defense (I think Greg is certainly capable of doing this at Rutgers) you can go 10-2 with no offense to speak of. Iowa only lost to Penn St and Minnesota this year despite playing many very close games. And the schedule gets much much easier going forward with the defense-optional PAC-12 teams coming over.
The Iowa-level defense you aspire to gave up 31 to PennSt in a shut out and didn’t play OSU or Michigan. And that’s exactly why the OC is already fired after THIS season. The West division free ride is over. They know they will need offense next year.
 
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The Iowa-level defense you aspire to gave up 31 to PennSt in a shut out and didn’t play OSU or Michigan. And that’s exactly why the OC is already fired after THIS season. The West division free ride is over. They know they will need offense next year.
You obviously didn’t realize until now that Penn State had the ball for over 45 minutes and held Iowa to under 100 total yards.😂 Keeping them to 31 was a miracle.
Iowa will give Michigan fits…for a quarter and a half. There’s no way Iowa will score points on offense.
 

Shelby65

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You obviously didn’t realize until now that Penn State had the ball for over 45 minutes and held Iowa to under 100 total yards.😂 Keeping them to 31 was a miracle.
Iowa will give Michigan fits…for a quarter and a half. There’s no way Iowa will score points on offense.
I told you, good D doesn’t cut it for winning football. Iowa fired the OC now bc the soft division goes away next year.
 

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But it gets you bowl eligible and that’s the positive side. Imagine McCord playing for Rutgers this season. I think he would have won fewer than six games honestly. He has NFL all-pro receivers and running backs and will likely be home for the playoffs.
McCord winning fewer games than Gavin if he were at RU...lmao.

Stop sniffing glue, if McCord were at RU then KC would be able to use the whole playbook and not have to run 70% of the time.

A complementary pass game would have resulted in a lot more points being scored.
 

Jtung230

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McCord winning fewer games than Gavin if he were at RU...lmao.

Stop sniffing glue, if McCord were at RU then KC would be able to use the whole playbook and not have to run 70% of the time.

A complementary pass game would have resulted in a lot more points being scored.
Love these stupid what ifs.
 

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Looking at season completion percentages for RU QBs with over 100 attempts dating back to 1997:

65.1% - Hart (Jr)
61.4% - Vedral (Jr)
61.4% - Teel (Sr)
60.9% - Laviano (Jr)
60.8% - Hart (Sr)
59.4% - Vedral (Sr)
58.8% - Hart (So)
58.2% - Teel (Jr)
57.7% - Simon (So)
57.6% - Schwenk (Fr)
57.2% - Nova (Sr)
57.0% - Nova (So)
56.7% - Dodd (So)
55.4% - Teel (So)
55.2% - Dodd (Fr)
54.9% - Bolin (Sr)
54.9% - Dodd (Sr)
54.5% - Nova (Jr)
52.8% - Rescigno (So)
52.3% - Savage (Fr)
51.9% - Edmonds
51.8% - McMahon (So)
51.1% - Nova (Fr)
50.5% - Teel (Fr)
50.3% - Langan (Fr)
49.7% - McMahon (Sr)
49.1% - Sitkowski (Fr)
49.1% - McMahon (Fr)
48.3% - Laviano (Sr)
47.8% - Wimsatt (So)
47.0% - Rescigno (Jr)
45.9% - Hart (Fr)
45.8% - Trump (Sr)
45.2% - McMahon (Jr)
45.4% - Cubit (So)
44.8% - Wimsatt (Fr)
44.8% - Cubit (Fr)
Now subtract out the seasons with less than 200 attempts.
 

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Simon needs to find an OC that suits his skill set. You can tell KC is looking for dual threat QBs.
Yet Simon runs better than GW throws. I guess nobody on the roster fit the mold entirely. You're right of course. I just don't think they were but that cookie crumbled and is over.

 

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The HC believed a big, running QB who can’t throw well fit his run clock and play D philosophy and named him the starter from the jump. Simon’s skill set just wasn't a fit. It’s not complicated. Get used to it.

I’m sure the HC hoped for better passing from GW than he got but it didn’t matter to the QB1 decision and it won’t for the next two years either.
 
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Shelby65

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Simon needs to find an OC that suits his skill set. You can tell KC is looking for dual threat QBs.
How dense can you continue to be ? Will you stop it already with the OC ? He’s got as much voice in philosophy as you do. The 1940s philosophy was in place before he was hired.

Besides, the truth is, GW isn’t a dual-threat QB. He is used as a second rb who occasionally throws lowest-risk passes just like Langan was.
 
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McCord winning fewer games than Gavin if he were at RU...lmao.

Stop sniffing glue, if McCord were at RU then KC would be able to use the whole playbook and not have to run 70% of the time.

A complementary pass game would have resulted in a lot more points being scored.
GW also had 488 yards rushing and 9 rushing TD’s. He is a good fit for the personnel on the team currently. If you had OSU’s skill people you wouldn’t need to rely on GW running, although not having a dual threat QB certainly cost OSU this year vs. Michigan. Evan Simon would have put up nice numbers at OSU this season as I think he has solid touch and accuracy. Rough game vs Iowa turnover-wise and the lack of him being a running threat exposed Simon’s limitations (he did wind up with 300 yards passing though) last year unfortunately.
 
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Now subtract out the seasons with less than 200 attempts.

Same list, but only QBs with 200 attempts:

65.1% - Hart (Jr)
61.4% - Vedral (Jr)
61.4% - Teel (Sr)
60.9% - Laviano (Jr)
60.8% - Hart (Sr)
59.4% - Vedral (Sr)
58.8% - Hart (So)
58.2% - Teel (Jr)
57.2% - Nova (Sr)
57.0% - Nova (So)
56.7% - Dodd (So)
55.4% - Teel (So)
55.2% - Dodd (Fr)
54.5% - Nova (Jr)
52.3% - Savage (Fr)
51.8% - McMahon (So)
51.1% - Nova (Fr)
49.7% - McMahon (Sr)
49.1% - Sitkowski (Fr)
49.1% - McMahon (Fr)
47.8% - Wimsatt (So)
44.8% - Cubit (Fr)
 
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RUTGERS95

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Same list, but only QBs with 200 attempts:

65.1% - Hart (Jr)
61.4% - Vedral (Jr)
61.4% - Teel (Sr)
60.9% - Laviano (Jr)
60.8% - Hart (Sr)
59.4% - Vedral (Sr)
58.8% - Hart (So)
58.2% - Teel (Jr)
57.2% - Nova (Sr)
57.0% - Nova (So)
56.7% - Dodd (So)
55.4% - Teel (So)
55.2% - Dodd (Fr)
54.5% - Nova (Jr)
52.3% - Savage (Fr)
51.8% - McMahon (So)
51.1% - Nova (Fr)
49.7% - McMahon (Sr)
49.1% - Sitkowski (Fr)
49.1% - McMahon (Fr)
47.8% - Wimsatt (So)
44.8% - Cubit (Fr)
of note, Gav has a better line than all till Nova Jr year at the least
 

Jtung230

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Same list, but only QBs with 200 attempts:

65.1% - Hart (Jr)
61.4% - Vedral (Jr)
61.4% - Teel (Sr)
60.9% - Laviano (Jr)
60.8% - Hart (Sr)
59.4% - Vedral (Sr)
58.8% - Hart (So)
58.2% - Teel (Jr)
57.2% - Nova (Sr)
57.0% - Nova (So)
56.7% - Dodd (So)
55.4% - Teel (So)
55.2% - Dodd (Fr)
54.5% - Nova (Jr)
52.3% - Savage (Fr)
51.8% - McMahon (So)
51.1% - Nova (Fr)
49.7% - McMahon (Sr)
49.1% - Sitkowski (Fr)
49.1% - McMahon (Fr)
47.8% - Wimsatt (So)
44.8% - Cubit (Fr)
Can you run the list with 100 attempts and 250 attempts?
 

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GW also had 488 yards rushing and 9 rushing TD’s. He is a good fit for the personnel on the team currently. If you had OSU’s skill people you wouldn’t need to rely on GW running, although not having a dual threat QB certainly cost OSU this year vs. Michigan. Evan Simon would have put up nice numbers at OSU this season as I think he has solid touch and accuracy. Rough game vs Iowa turnover-wise and the lack of him being a running threat exposed Simon’s limitations (he did wind up with 300 yards passing though) last year unfortunately.
If we had an average P5 QB, we would have beat OSU
 

Samson1975!!!

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that's evidence he wasn't asked to rush. It's not evidence he can't.

GW also had zero tds in 2022 in the old system
 

Jtung230

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Simon is a decent runner and could have scored most of the TD's Wimsatt did. Three were from one yard, another 3 yards, 5 and 7 yards against Wagner. Schiano was giving him balls normally the rb's get to try to develop his confidence.
He could’ve thrown the pick 6s also.