End of the Patrick Towels Era
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Will be interesting to see. I can see Stoops staying with him (at least as the starter) thinking that experience trumps Barker...Towles gives him the 'best chance' for a win/wins in order to try to get bowl eligible. Don't agree...but I can see it.
That would be one more than Florida scored.
Dore's defense looked extremely good Gators escape the nightmare upset 9-7
As a PT supporter, I think you have to look at Drew.
As i have said all year PT doesnt do well under pressure and that is why I have been all over the oline all season.
Add the drops to the sacks and the pressure, PT lacks the intangibles to overcome these.
Give him a great oline he would be a top QB, but we dont have even an average one.
As we saw the WR's will drop Drew's passes as well and the oline will NOT get better for him either, but he did get the ball out quick.
PT needs to watch from the sidelines and hopefully get over the PTSD he currently is suffering from.
As i have said all year PT doesnt do well under pressure and that is why I have been all over the oline all season.
Add the drops to the sacks and the pressure, PT lacks the intangibles to overcome these.
Give him a great oline he would be a top QB, but we dont have even an average one.
As we saw the WR's will drop Drew's passes as well and the oline will NOT get better for him either, but he did get the ball out quick.
PT needs to watch from the sidelines and hopefully get over the PTSD he currently is suffering from.
Towles wouldn't be great with a great OL either. Check his INTs today - great protection.
Good point just got over excited....we may score 3 if our D gets a TO inside the 20
Really? PTSD?
He is just not that good. He could have 5 minutes in the pocket, and it doesn't matter. His accuracy is suspect. Thats the real problem. Oline is just an excuse.
I've been a supporter of PT but I'm done at this point. All QBs in the SEC are under pressure so that argument is flawed. It's time to move on from towles. You have to try and change something at this point. Towles is bad and Dawson hasn't been much better. Honestly despite the year ga has had in their house with our D you couldn't ask for much more. Gotta score to win...
I think TODAY you guys are correct.
But as the oline has gotten worse he has gotten worse even when he has time - thus my PTSD comment.
He is hearing ghosts, last game when he ducked down when no one was near him was bad.
He is rushing and not throwing with confidence.
I think he is shot, at least for now.
But had we been able to provide a constant good pocket prior to the past few weeks i think he would have been ok.
I have always said he lacks intangibles - pocket presence, operating under pressure - just not comfortable in uncomfortable situations.
Time to give Drew a chance.
If the OL gave Towles time to throw on every down we would have lost by 70.
It should be, but don't hold your breath.
Towles is horrendous. In 7 SEC games he's thrown for 1,424 yards, 3 TD and 9 INT...but this staff is inexplicably totally infatuated with him.
Towles is horrendous. In 7 SEC games he's thrown for 1,424 yards, 3 TD and 9 INT...but this staff is inexplicably totally infatuated with him.
I've been a supporter of Towles but I'm done after today. The kid just hasn't progressed the way I had hoped. I wish him the best moving forward but this team needs to turn this thing over to Barker. Maybe a change will give the offense a shot in the arm that it desperately needs.
He needs to sit, his mindset is not close. Lacking confidence in the protection and in himself it appears.
It's been announced on the radio that Stoops said he's looking at changing QBs. So why did we not get Barker some snaps before now. It doesn't matter at this point. We can't beat anyone the way we are falling apart now.
Since the LSU game last year, Towles is 4-11 as the starter (with two of those wins being nail-bitters against Lafayette and EKU). He's thrown 13 TDs and 17 interceptions. He's completed only 55 percent of his passes.
He's been given the opportunity. He's done nothing with it. He's regressed from where he was at the start of last season. No other major conference team in the country would give a QB with such poor results such a long leash - especially when they have a highly-recruited guy waiting in the wings.
If Stoops isn't careful, his loyalty/stubbornness is going to cause him to lose a huge segment of the fanbase. That's not something a guy with his win/loss record can afford at this point.
He's been given the opportunity. He's done nothing with it. He's regressed from where he was at the start of last season. No other major conference team in the country would give a QB with such poor results such a long leash - especially when they have a highly-recruited guy waiting in the wings.
If Stoops isn't careful, his loyalty/stubbornness is going to cause him to lose a huge segment of the fanbase. That's not something a guy with his win/loss record can afford at this point.
Drew obviously hasn't shown what the coaches want to see in practices.
But PT needs to sit. Drew will just learn on the job, cant do any worse than the Coordinators who have been doing this all season.
Time to start benching wr's for drops as well.
Because hes a first round pick on paper. He just doesnt have it mentally. His biggest problem is presnap reads. With rare exceptions, he cant get the ball out fast. Then he cant go through progressions, which is why he continually looks lost if he doesnt get the ball out quick.
You can tell when the few times he gets the right read. The ball comes out fast, on time, on target, and he looks fantastic. The rest of the time he looks like a deer in headlights.
It's time to sit him. He's got an awful line but he had good protection at times today and did terrible. Elite quarterbacks don't need great o lines and great receivers to look decent, which pat has not looked overall this season. Elite qbs don't come in danger of losing their job to redshirt freshmen with the season hanging in the balance. The definition of a drop on these boards has morphed into an NFL-ish standard. There are bad drops, to be sure, but it happens to every single team.
this could say a lot more about Barker than it does Towles.I'm telling you guys, i watched barker all through high school, and he just isnt good enough to play here IMO.
He has really lost it in the noggin. But our drops are pretty bad, no sugar coating those.
Gotta be honest. The two times I saw him so far, I have not seen much arm strength. I just figured he might be a Dusty Bonner type but who wouldn't trade for Dusty Bonner right now.
There have been a lot of bad ones but I think the definition of a "drop" now is anything thrown in the receivers general direction with regardless of coverage. There were a couple today that fit that description that people chalked up to receivers "dropping". For instance the baker "drop" I believe in the 3rd quarter...thrown at his shoe strings with a guy all over him. That's an nfl drop, not a college drop, and pat doesn't get a pass for that one.
A lot of very good college coaches felt that Barker was good enough to play at places with better football programs than UK. If programs much better than UK's can survive playing different QB's depending on performance and situations i think that UK can as well. This precedent of anointing a QB and letting the program thrive or fail on his development is just insane. Mark Stoops should study Joker's coaching tenure here and what was the primary failure of his time as HC.
I admittedly haven't seen Barker play- well, aside from the few garbage time snaps he's gotten this year. He may not be good enough. I have seen Towles, though, and there's no question he's not good enough.
With all due respect to your expertise, Barker's 2 years removed from high school, and it is possible that's gotten better over those 2 years. Towles' last meaningful perfomance is just hours old, and he certainly hasn't gotten better since then.
Also a good point. There are drops, then there are tough catches that need to be made. Most of Baker's "drops" fall in the latter category.
I do not know crap about what Barker can do, but, I can see PT is not a gamer. Give someone else a chance and see what happens, it cannot get any worse in the win loss column. The offense has quit on PT, they do not believe he can lead them and they are playing without emotion.
Screenshot Bakers drops and you will see how many are actually really bad drops.
We have had the fewest circus/toughest catches in the league.
Don't think I could disagree more. Ftr I went back and rewatched the play I described earlier. Not as bad a throw as I originally thought but still not a play I would consider a bad drop.