End the OOC schedule discussion.....it doesn’t matter

ScarletWalk11

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But I wouldn’t call that them having a good schedule.

They were 1-6 in quad 1 games. We get more than that in conference.

So what did they do? Play a bunch of Q2 and Q3 games?

I’d hardly say that’s an impressive schedule
Agreed. This is the point I was making. OOC schedule doesn’t matter if you don’t lose to the cupcakes.
 
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ScarletWalk11

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The committee does not have consistent principles, they are retroactively applying whatever they can use against Rutgers. That is all that's happening here.
They do the same exact thing with the CFB playoffs. They’ll just say whatever makes their choices seem better after the fact but will be inconsistent between teams.
 
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bac2therac

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committee guy said.....Mag injury combined with lack of non conference win
 

mugrat86

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THE GUY FROM THE NCAA JUST SAID ON ESPN THAT RUTGERS INJURY ISSUE AND SEEING THEM NOT ABLE TO OVERCOME THAT IN THE GAMES THEY SAW PLUS THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PICK UP QUALITY NON CONFERENCE GAMES WAS WHY THEY FELL SHORT
When did he mention anything about non conference wins
 

kcg88

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committee guy said.....Mag injury combined with lack of non conference win
You lost me with committee guy said.

Rutgers didn't pass their eye test and these are the reasons they came up with to explain it. I'd have respect for them if they would actually come out and say it.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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He has no more of a clue as to why we missed than anyone else. The committee basically said we didn’t get in because of Mag injury

Cmon.....we are going to take the narrative that the final 8 games was the reason....?? They clearly didn't watch the games, Mag or no Mag.

Caleb strapped it up and played, Mulcahy played through stingers and everything.....this whole excuses about injuries as the reason is a joke.

The criteria and NCAA is crooked and inconsistent. Let's just call it what it is.
 
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mugrat86

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Rutgers loss six out of the last eight games which was the main reason for non selection.You are what your record says you are.In Rutgers case they were outstanding on defense and mediocre on offense.As such Rutgers was a bubble team just like last season.Rutgers over came obstacles and achieved 19 wins and yes the Ohio State loss will always be upsetting to fans.Bottom line living on the bubble isn't a way to sustain success.
Except our resident expert claimed that was taken into consideration
 

rucoe89

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They have a list of reasons that they just pick and choose from each year depending on what is needed to justify the situation.
That's why you don't give them a reason. NC State got it because they are NC State. That is clear. Any 10 year old can figure out that is the reasoning the committee applied. Our late season collapse allowed them to look on their list of excuses and point to "injuries." The team let the season slip away in the end and the committee pounced on that to leave them out.
 
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Might as well just leave the B1G. RU will never win a conference title in any of football, Basketball, or WBB. So we might as well leave the conference and have a better chance winning a lower conference tournament. Why be a struggling bubble team every year. You could throw the entire season and just win a conference tournament to get into the big dance. Whole system is broken.
 

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The fact that 95% of bracketologist had us in means the committee broke protocol from previous years criteria
 
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bac2therac

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So then conference wins don’t matter?

The whole thing just screams “we had to cap the B1G”
the ncaa has specifically stressed non conference wins do matter...look there is lots of criteria...ru failed in a few of them, nc state overcame their **** schedule because they didnt lose to *** teams like Minnesota in the acc
 

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Actually - if we “gave up” our road game at Minny so that Michigan State could play them instead we’d have been 10-9 in the league without that stupid loss.

Also for the record, I’m not sure SHU will end up being Q3 anyway. We’ll see tomorrow. Memphis won by 10 to boost their final net.
 

bac2therac

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You lost me with committee guy said.

Rutgers didn't pass their eye test and these are the reasons they came up with to explain it. I'd have respect for them if they would actually come out and say it.
well they stopped watching after Northwestern IMO.....they didnt watch the Purdue game and the field was already selected
 

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committee guy said.....Mag injury combined with lack of non conference win
I yield to your knowledge.
BUT
If we had bench depth…we likely don’t lose to Temple.
We avoid the meltdown after Mag injury…including the Minny loss and likely some others.

Take away those two loses which were caused by our lack of depth….we are in are we not? With the same schedule.

Seems like root cause is depth.
 

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You don't get rewarded for any of those games.....none of it matters.

You're better off playing Q3 and Q4 teams at the RAC, developing your bench and piling up wins. Trying to listen to people telling RU to schedule up, is ridiculous at this point.

And don't tell me that playing Gonzaga at MSG is fixing things. It's not....there's a reason why Gonzaga hasn't played a true OOC road game in 4 years.
That’s what I’m saying..you don’t need to schedule up..you need to win the games you are supposed to. Can’t lose to Temple, Minny, Shu, or Nebraska. The rest of our schedule with Q1/2 in conference is enough to look good on a resume
 

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the ncaa has specifically stressed non conference wins do matter...look there is lots of criteria...ru failed in a few of them, nc state overcame their **** schedule because they didnt lose to *** teams like Minnesota in the acc
They lost to Syracuse
 
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bac2therac

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I yield to your knowledge.
BUT
If we had bench depth…we likely don’t lose to Temple.
We avoid the meltdown after Mag injury…including the Minny loss and likely some others.

Take away those two loses which were caused by our lack of depth….we are in are we not? With the same schedule.

Seems like root cause is depth.
thats on Pike and he needs to be criticized as well....to have 4-5 holes on the roster every year isnt a good thing so clearly a few guys now need to leave and we need to hit the portal hard
 

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the ncaa has specifically stressed non conference wins do matter...look there is lots of criteria...ru failed in a few of them, nc state overcame their **** schedule because they didnt lose to *** teams like Minnesota in the acc
Bad losses more impactful than good wins.
 

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the ncaa has specifically stressed non conference wins do matter...look there is lots of criteria...ru failed in a few of them, nc state overcame their **** schedule because they didnt lose to *** teams like Minnesota in the acc
You have no more of a clue as to why we were left out than anybody else. Last year, according to you, it was lack of road wins and NET
 

bac2therac

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That’s what I’m saying..you don’t need to schedule up..you need to win the games you are supposed to. Can’t lose to Temple, Minny, Shu, or Nebraska. The rest of our schedule with Q1/2 in conference is enough to look good on a resume


if we run with this, the conclusion is we do not deserve to go. Resume was sloppy. we lost 5 home games, 3 to non ncaa schools
 

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thats on Pike and he needs to be criticized as well....to have 4-5 holes on the roster every year isnt a good thing so clearly a few guys now need to leave and we need to hit the portal hard
First thing first, tell the dancing combo Reiber/Miller to pack the bags.
 

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Cmon.....we are going to take the narrative that the final 8 games was the reason....?? They clearly didn't watch the games, Mag or no Mag.

Caleb strapped it up and played, Mulcahy played through stingers and everything.....this whole excuses about injuries as the reason is a joke.

The criteria and NCAA is crooked and inconsistent. Let's just call it what it is.
Now that is something I agree with. The head of the committee claimed they used many more metrics than ever, yet they really did not. Really went back to just subjective choices at the end.

You can't beat all the teams we did on the road(even if we did lose other games) and not have them count for something

Best of Luck,
Groz
 

RUPartisan

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Doesn’t matter…

You have to win the games you’re supposed to. We should beat Temole..we lost! We should beat SHU..we lost! We should beat Minny..we lost!

Doesn’t matter if we played Gonzaga and lost…a better loss? Sure! Still a loss
Huh? Your argument is Q1 and Q3 loses are equal? Are you paying any attention at all? 4 Q3 loses cost us a bid.
 

RUBlackout

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if we beat Minny and Nebraska yeah were in the 8/9 game.
That’s my point when everyone keep pointing out a better OOC schedule which is not worth it. People just want to play name teams for the hype.
There is a reason football why the SEC barely plays out of state or versus big name schools.

Just win games your supposed to
 

DHajekRC84

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That’s the biggest problem. our NET sucked last year with a similar profile and we got in, our NET was great especially next to PItt and some others and get screwed this year. Looks like lots of politics with the bubble teams.
200% how the frack can 114 of 118 independent experts have us in yet this? The NCAA is a political animal and our conference and lame duck president commissioner did NOTHING to help us.
 
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DHajekRC84

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Rutgers loss six out of the last eight games which was the main reason for non selection.You are what your record says you are.In Rutgers case they were outstanding on defense and mediocre on offense.As such Rutgers was a bubble team just like last season.Rutgers over came obstacles and achieved 19 wins and yes the Ohio State loss will always be upsetting to fans.Bottom line living on the bubble isn't a way to sustain success.
That is not supposed to matter. It's supposed to be body of work. They continue to contradict themselves and clearly we were out before the B1G tournament even started.
 

mugrat86

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Those loses weren't to cupcakes. Lafayette, st. Bonnie's are cupcakes.
Our resume this year was better than last for sure plus this year there were no real bud stealers. I firmly believe that the conference was getting no more than 8 teams and Penn St (rightfully so) stole our bid. I think if they lose first round of tournament, we make it. The committee taking that much credence into Mag’s injury and saying it publicly is unacceptable. If that were the case, why were they not as accepting of loses due to PM and Caleb’s injuries
 

DHajekRC84

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Our resume this year was better than last for sure plus this year there were no real bud stealers. I firmly believe that the conference was getting no more than 8 teams and Penn St (rightfully so) stole our bid. I think if they lose first round of tournament, we make it. The committee taking that much credence into Mag’s injury and saying it publicly is unacceptable. If that were the case, why were they not as accepting of loses due to PM and Caleb’s injuries
Was going to say the same thing. Hypocrisy.

Btw.. I know it was home but nobody wants to consider that Nebraska went 5-1 to finish their regular season including wins over Maryland, Wisconsin, and Iowa.
Then they lost in the first round to the other cupcake Minnesota having their one injured starter back.
 
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