Endenne - GONE

[AndreTheHawk]

Because Brands is a control freak with the emotions of a 4th grader. He will jump to conclusions and think later. Who knows what sets him off half the time?

Geezus, Drama Queen much?

Yeah, Tom Brands and his staff, just woke up and over coffee this morning, they said "what the hell, let's just cut someone on our roster, preferably a highly ranked starter, just for the hell of it". Then they all laughed and said "let's start with a guy that has no eligibility left and has never Wrestled DI before, and we have no reliable depth behind him". Nods from Terry, Morningstar, Telford, "Ok, Mo Endene it is, good talk". And away they went to implement their evil plan.


Whatever happened will be out in the open at some point, not likely from Tom Brands as per normal. Stuff like this isn't going to stay hidden for long most likely. But while you're jumping to conclusions, don't do it with a rope around your neck, you might just hang yourself. Today and every day.

 

[VakAttack]

Listen, its entirely possible that this isnt Tom's fault. Sure, I could buy that. But at some point the accountability should fall on the head of the program, who preaches about accountability, and this isn't happening in a vacuum.

 

[el dub]

So, is ANYONE still defending the head Moran? Facts don’t lie!

Not everyone is condemning him, especially for the topic of this thread.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

You honestly believe he woke up pissed off this morning and decided he was going to kick a wrestler off the team because he is immature and he can. No explanation to the wrestler, just cut him and send him on his way?!? Yea, I'm not buying it. It will all come out soon enough.

You posted this while I was typing my similar response up and I didn't see this. So my apologies, sort of , but we're on the same page apparently.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I ******* hate this place…

This place:

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Please do. We need the money.

For your football team, yes I know......

 

[Stick Kitty]

So you think Brock Rathbun just made it all up to post a story that makes no sense? That the Wartburg wrestling community wouldn't be in the know a little bit about Mo?

 

[FanInBlack]

I would believe a cult like "with us or against us" culture if there were issues connecting with recruits, or getting along with former wrestlers, or with the media. I call BS.

 

[Stick Kitty]

I would believe a cult like "with us or against us" culture if there were issues connecting with recruits, or getting along with former wrestlers, or with the media. I call BS.

Ummm, who wants to tell him?

 

[ILLHawk135]

4th after 7 matches does not equal 4th in March. I stand by what I said. It was coming sooner than later. It came sooner than I expected.

Yeah and in those 7 matches he beat the 8th, 9th, and 14th ranked guy at the weight. One of those being a returning AA and another being a freshman who was a top 15 pound for pound recruit. So to act like he was not going to be a factor at big tens and nationals is laughable.

 

[Mattski]

kolby franklin - had to medically retire

Fair enough but it's been 3 years.

 

[Mattski]

Exactly, I know the hatred for Tom is strong in some, but use some common sense. Why in the hell would Tom (or any other D1 coach) just randomly kick a guy off the team (especially a highly ranked starter) with no explanation to them. I have no idea what happened, but I am 100% certain it wasn't that.

I don't think there's hatred for Tom, at least not from Iowa fans. Psu trolls and other Iowa haters sure but Iowa fans don't hate Tom, at least not in the decently sized circle of fans I know well. Many just have higher expectations for the program than what we've been seeing of late and think it's time for change.

 

[BrianLafevre]

Stop being fooled by stupid AI burner accounts. Or anything from Mineo. Be better.

I guess I’m trying to be better but this program and coach make it difficult.
I guess I’ll just go with the official report from Brands which tells us nothing, as usual.

The supposed NIL issues did come relatively close to news of Kennedy officially getting more $ after he apparently received offers to leave.

For the record, I do find it plausible that Brands dismissed Mo for a reason, of which Brands did not officially disclose to Mo, but Mo would definitely be aware of regardless which would make both sides to be true.

 

[FanInBlack]

Yeah and in those 7 matches he beat the 8th, 9th, and 14th ranked guy at the weight. One of those being a returning AA and another being a freshman who was a top 15 pound for pound recruit. So to act like he was not going to be a factor at big tens and nationals is laughable.

I think what is laughable is getting worked up over an unproven guy for one year when the real issues have been over multiple years. Mo wasnt changing anything no matter how he finished. Go ahead and lament his dismissal. It doesn't matter at all.

 

[HerkHawl]

Brocks spot on! Ive seen this clown town show of TB since brocks era! He was polite in his assessment!

except

Quite the straw man, eh?

Not to mention he would decide to hurt his team, post season, and risk legal liability for arbitrary (and opening up discriminatory) behavior. These kids are now professionals and arguably employees or agents of the school, so due process and legal exposure is always a part of any high profile decision like this. Maybe caught cheating on exams, maybe personal life, maybe substance abuse, maybe bad role model (by all accounts he was getting whooped at practice) with bad practice work ethic. Typically there is a 3 strike rule to prevent arbitrary decisions.

 

[VakAttack]

So you think Brock Rathbun just made it all up to post a story that makes no sense? That the Wartburg wrestling community wouldn't be in the know a little bit about Mo?

More likely he's getting Mo's version directly from Mo, which obviously comes with biases.

 

[4net3sandbagger]

Geezus, Drama Queen much?

Yeah, Tom Brands and his staff, just woke up and over coffee this morning, they said "what the hell, let's just cut someone on our roster, preferably a highly ranked starter, just for the hell of it". Then they all laughed and said "let's start with a guy that has no eligibility left and has never Wrestled DI before, and we have no reliable depth behind him". Nods from Terry, Morningstar, Telford, "Ok, Mo Endene it is, good talk". And away they went to implement their evil plan.


Whatever happened will be out in the open at some point, not likely from Tom Brands as per normal. Stuff like this isn't going to stay hidden for long most likely. But while you're jumping to conclusions, don't do it with a rope around your neck, you might just hang yourself. Today and every day.

The crazy part is this board posted about ten different things it could be, and I honestly could believe any one of them. Thats not me being a sucker, thats just how chaotic this program is anymore.

 

[Sir Pin Alot]

he wasnt adding B1G or NCAA points anyway. That was a hole even when he joined. Only the most optimistic ever saw otherwise.

Up to the ISU dual, he was rocking the 197 weight class. I really wanted him to do well, a D3 kid making some serious waves in D1. He absolutely has/had the ability to AA. Probably in the 5-10 point range.

 

[UNIHawk]

This is my boy's theory. While not an Iowa fan he's pretty wired in. He's obviously piecing bits and pieces of information together to create this theory but it seems quite plausible to me. He said he had heard that there were discussions with Iowa State (presumably for next year).

 

[MVPFAN]

Why do we think Gabe would want to do this? I would say no if I was him. He was asked to cut down because that’s his best chance for the team next year. Now they want him to jump to 197. I’d say kick rocks.

Gabe has a lot of talent and we’ve never seen him at his best weight. He also struggles to cut weight now we want him to wrestle 197. Haha. Give me a break. It’s not in his best interest to flip to whatever weight this staff wants him to on a whim.

We just saw him at his best weight at the Salute. He finished runner up to a guy PK beat last year.

 

[MVPFAN]

What was the strategy between Warner and Ludington? Glazier? AJ? Buchanan was a gift from the $ Gods, not a plan. This has been the mess the program now finds itself in what 4 out of 10 weights?

Bingo

 

[ILLHawk135]

I think what is laughable is getting worked up over an unproven guy for one year when the real issues have been over multiple years. Mo wasnt changing anything no matter how he finished. Go ahead and lament his dismissal. It doesn't matter at all.

Don’t change the goal post now your original comment was that Mo wouldn’t have scored any points at big tens or nationals which is a stupid comment to make. Why would you assume the 4th ranked guy wouldn’t score any points? Obviously Mo wasn’t gonna make the difference for us catching Penn state or Ohio state but he made all the difference for us beating Oklahoma state in the dual and has now created a big hole in the line up.

 

[Hawkfan_08*]

I'm very much a casual fan of wrestling. I follow because they are Hawks and the program has been the staple of Iowa athletics.

The casuals are getting very annoyed by this so I'm sure you diehards are beyond upset.

 

[AndreTheHawk]

The crazy part is this board posted about ten different things it could be, and I honestly could believe any one of them. Thats not me being a sucker, thats just how chaotic this program is anymore.

Sorry, before I go off the deep end, I'm gonna need a little more evidence from someone other than former one year Hawkeye Brock Rathbun, from 7-8 years ago. Remember that, then read that post and think about it for a second, then go .

If it's what he claims, there will likely be some news about Lawyer involvement soon, which is par for the course these days when someone has been "wronged" thru no fault of their own.

If we don't see F Lee Bailey around anytime soon, you just might have your answer.........stay tuned I guess.

 

[js8793]

Wow, another case of bad luck completely out of Tom’s hands.

Are we sure we want a guy this “unlucky” to be the head coach?

 

[Hawx224]

There’s no way Tom dismissed Endene for no reason, and whatever it is, he probably made the right call. What this does highlight is that Iowa’s reliance on short-term rentals to fill roster gaps is a big problem.

 

[chipackhawk]

So many on this board think CS covers up for wrong doings and is rightfully blasted for it. Tom Brands quite possibly does the opposite and he’s a bad guy now. Fascinating.

 

[CP84]

This is my boy's theory. While not an Iowa fan he's pretty wired in. He's obviously piecing bits and pieces of information together to create this theory but it seems quite plausible to me. He said he had heard that there were discussions with Iowa State (presumably for next year).

This is pretty much spot on.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

So many on this board think CS covers up for wrong doings and is rightfully blasted for it. Tom Brands quite possibly does the opposite and he’s a bad guy now. Fascinating.

What potential wrong doing was done by Iowa (Endene or Brands) that Tom shed light on?

So far, all I've read has been rumor and innuendo.

If it's a legit neck injury, that's not a wrong doing.

If it's one leveraged for next year NIL, via medical RS, that's no wrong doing either (it's the state of college wrestling).

If the above is a result of Iowa NIL promises unfulfilled, then Endene's actions wouldn't seem to be a wrong doing to me.

Family time wouldn't be a wrongdoing.

Failing to put in practice effort like the coaches want is a teaching moment (unless it stems from unfulfilled NIL promises).

All I see is alleged steroids as a potential wrong doing, and I don't know how many believe that one.

Being a new Dad could cause Endene to want his NIL sooner. And I could see Brands saying, "No" for fear of a pay-for-play compliance scandal or a run on Iowa's NIL bank. Nobody should expect Brands would divulge either of these, if one was the reason.

Might as well blame Iowa’s overly conservative compliance office.

Brands comments sounded to me like a business decision, employer and employee parting ways after an irreconcilable professional difference of opinion. Those are kept private. Their underlying grievances aren't publicly aired.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Comparing football to wrestling is apples to oranges wrt revenue sharing. Endenne would only have a NIL contract, which he could've fulfilled (if one believes the troll implication).

Only certain football players like Iowa's and Vanderbilt's TE would have both a revenue share and NIL contracts.

The Iowa WR who opted out likely had a smaller revenue share dependent on bowl participation. The Vanderbilt TE's NO pay for play Booster NIL contract could've dwarfed his revenue share.

Endene could have very well had both.

There's no chance he got his full revenue share already so that's flat out. No idea why you brought that in other than some weird PSU reference no one cares about.

The question (and comment) is about his NIL deal. Only complete idiots sign players to NIL deals where the player gets a full payout before his commitments are complete. If I had to bet, that's the case here. But with Brands...not much would surprise me.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Exactly, I know the hatred for Tom is strong in some, but use some common sense. Why in the hell would Tom (or any other D1 coach) just randomly kick a guy off the team (especially a highly ranked starter) with no explanation to them. I have no idea what happened, but I am 100% certain it wasn't that.

I think your largely right. Just doesn't seem plausible overall.

That said, we have seen time and time again that he's not a great planner or communicator. It wouldn't at all be a surprise if lines got crossed somewhere because of it and it was cause for confusion.

 

[lookleftgoright]

What potential wrong doing was done by Iowa (Endenne or Brands) that Tom shed light on?

So far, all I've read has been rumor and innuendo.

If it's a legit neck injury, that's not a wrong doing.

If it's one leveraged for next year NIL, via medical RS, that's no wrong doing either (it's the state of college wrestling).

If the above is a result of Iowa NIL promises unfulfilled, then Endenne's actions wouldn't seem to be a wrong doing to me.

Family time wouldn't be a wrongdoing.

Failing to put in practice effort like the coaches want is a teaching moment (unless it stems from unfulfilled NIL promises).

All I see is alleged streriods as a potential wrong doing, and I don't know how many believe that one.

Being a new Dad could cause Endenne to want his NIL sooner. And I could see Brands saying, "No" for fear of a pay-for-play compliance scandal or a run on Iowa's NIL bank. Nobody should expect Brands would divulge either of these, if one was the reason.

Might as well blame Iowa’s overly conservative compliance office.

Brands comments sounded to me like a business decision, employer and employee parting ways after an irreconcilable professional difference of opinion. Those are kept private. Their underlying grievances aren't publicly aired.

Endenne would not happen to be from Somalia, would he? Too soon?

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Endene could have very well had both.

There's no chance he got his full revenue share already so that's flat out. No idea why you brought that in other than some weird PSU reference no one cares about.

The question (and comment) is about his NIL deal. Only complete idiots sign players to NIL deals where the player gets a full payout before his commitments are complete. If I had to bet, that's the case here. But with Brands...not much would surprise me.

Could have, but would that be the norm?

PSU reference seems appropriate as a model, since other programs seem to be chasing PSU's model. That model wouldn't revenue share with wrestling in consideration of more scholarships. Therefore, it undercuts your postulate about Endenne having any revenue share or a revenue share being a factor.

What do you mean by "commitments" when it comes to a 3rd Party Booster NIL contract?

 

[Gusaford1]

This is my boy's theory. While not an Iowa fan he's pretty wired in. He's obviously piecing bits and pieces of information together to create this theory but it seems quite plausible to me. He said he had heard that there were discussions with Iowa State (presumably for next year).

I agree this theory has an air of plausibility. If true, the facts will almost certainly bleed out over the next few months as Endene applies for a medical redshirt and seeks a new school. The only thing I don't get is why, if this theory holds, Brands wouldn't provide more of a public explanation now. His no-comment only feeds rumors/concerns that he's lost control of his program, concerns that will only grow each and every week that other wrestling teams wipe the floor with whomever we throw out there at 197.

 

[MrShutUp]

Endenne would not happen to be from Somalia, would he? Too soon?

shut up

 

[IRON HAWK]

This is pretty much spot on.

IF this is the case? NIL is a MUCH larger issue then I ever imagined!!! The POS ncaa has ruined college athletics! I do not know what to say about the "kid"(Endene) on this???? IF he is hurt? and IF he can get a medical? Then collect another BAG, What do you say to this!?!??!

Ranked #4, not 100%, maybe will get some B1G offers??? I mean it is real sheety for IOWA right now!!! What does this mean for the future? I mean we saw that situation with the QB out west(think it was UNLV?) where he had the team rollin and said," F*ck it, I am not getting enough $$$$, I am redshirting!"

There is NO clear contract or RULES!!!

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Could have, but would that be the norm?

PSU reference seems appropriate as a model, since other programs seem to be chasing PSU's model. That model wouldn't revenue share with wrestling in consideration of more scholarships. Therefore, it undercuts your postulate about Endenne having any revenue share or a revenue share being a factor.

What do you mean by "commitments" when it comes to a 3rd Party Booster NIL contract?

No one has any idea what you’re talking about. This has nothing to do with PSU so stop trying to make it about how great PSU is.

I can’t make my point any more clear.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

4th after 7 matches does not equal 4th in March. I stand by what I said. It was coming sooner than later. It came sooner than I expected.

You’re a next level moron if you don’t think he adds Big 10 points.

Clown.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

I guess I’m trying to be better but this program and coach make it difficult.
I guess I’ll just go with the official report from Brands which tells us nothing, as usual.

The supposed NIL issues did come relatively close to news of Kennedy officially getting more $ after he apparently received offers to leave.

For the record, I do find it plausible that Brands dismissed Mo for a reason, of which Brands did not officially disclose to Mo, but Mo would definitely be aware of regardless which would make both sides to be true.

All I said was spreading such obvious BS. That had nothing to do with anything in this message. I don’t like the program much either but you won’t find me spreading no credibility crap.

 

[maxpain]

I would believe a cult like "with us or against us" culture if there were issues connecting with recruits, or getting along with former wrestlers, or with the media. I call BS.