Epstein - Maxwell to Testify August 11th - Bill Clinton Subpoenaed - John Kerry Implicated

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Anyone else get the sense that these Epstein “files” if/when they are released will be pretty underwhelming and have very little in the way of substantive, verifiable, actionable new information?

Of course there’s going to be all kinds of names in there - be was a wealthy NYC socialite who was in position to hob knob with all kinds of powerful people.

who knows, I just tend to doubt there’s going to be anything earth shattering in there and it will likely just create more rumor and conjecture.

I'm on record saying this months ago. The 'files' were ALWAYS a carrot dangling at the end of a stick for the Maga cult to keep them united and probably didn't exist in the format they wanted them to, ie implicating a lot of elites directly.

Also, hilarious pig boi agrees now cuz when I said it a few months ago he about had a coniption that I would even assert such a CrAzY idea.
 
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Maybe it's just me but Johnson shutting down Congress until September seems to support that he knows there's something is in there he doesn't want revealed to the public. And I can't imagine he would do that for any other person except Trump. What that thing is, who knows, but it makes it awfully suspicious when you also consider Trump's attempts to bury the story and distract with a nonsensical story about Obama.
You're not completely honest when you say he's shutting down congress until September. Congress is off all of August anyway. We're really talking about a few days.

Meanwhile a House panel voted just yesterday to subpoena the Justice Department for files related to the federal probe into Epstein. The House Oversight Committee also subpoenaed Maxwell to sit for a deposition.
 
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You're not completely honest when you say he's shutting down congress until September. Congress is off all of August anyway. We're really talking about a few days.

Meanwhile a House panel voted just yesterday to subpoena the Justice Department for files related to the federal probe into Epstein. The House Oversight Committee also subpoenaed Maxwell to sit for a deposition.
Au contraire - you're not being honest if you aren't admitting that Johnson sent them home early specifically to avoid the vote. This is not in dispute.

"Johnson also addressed the issue inside the conference meeting, according to people familiar with his private remarks. He mostly reiterated what he’s been saying publicly, that President Donald Trump and the House GOP are pushing for “transparency” but some caution is needed to protect the names of victims.

He pressed House Republicans to not let Democrats score political points on Epstein, appearing to suggest they should hold the line against any Epstein-related votes for now."


 
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this baltimore dude loves giving a felon/rapist/criminal/serial liar/womanizer/thief/epstein bro the benefit of the doubt like he's Mother Teresa. i hope if i'm ever caught redhanded murdering someone i have a jury full of baltimore guy here. :rolleyes:
I love how you've convicted someone already when no evidence has been brought forward. As I said in a rational tone yesterday, the Biden admin had, and likely added, to this file. If Biden had it, then Kamala knew about it. When Kamala was running for president, if there were some kind of evidence incriminating Trump, I think she would have used it. Now I don't know that for fact, but it sure would seem like a natural maneuver on her part. And, I'd be willing to bet that if you were on her staff you would have been jumping up and down with encouragement to make a major speech announcing Trump's involvement

Now I don't know any more about the Epstein file than you do. But even though the House has been requested to subpoena Bill and Hillary, and we also know their names are in the file, I won't jump to the conclusion they are guilty of evidence based on all the "noise" in the public domain.

You can continue to bloviate as much as you like, but just because you think something does not make it true.

And don't worry, if you murdered someone, i'd make a decision on guilt or innocence based on facts presented, not something an attorney thought happened.
 

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I love how you've convicted someone already when no evidence has been brought forward. As I said in a rational tone yesterday, the Biden admin had, and likely added, to this file. If Biden had it, then Kamala knew about it. When Kamala was running for president, if there were some kind of evidence incriminating Trump, I think she would have used it. Now I don't know that for fact, but it sure would seem like a natural maneuver on her part. And, I'd be willing to bet that if you were on her staff you would have been jumping up and down with encouragement to make a major speech announcing Trump's involvement

Now I don't know any more about the Epstein file than you do. But even though the House has been requested to subpoena Bill and Hillary, and we also know their names are in the file, I won't jump to the conclusion they are guilty of evidence based on all the "noise" in the public domain.

You can continue to bloviate as much as you like, but just because you think something does not make it true.

And don't worry, if you murdered someone, i'd make a decision on guilt or innocence based on facts presented, not something an attorney thought happened.

Wait... Why do you say that the Biden Admin added to the files?

To use your logic, if they added stuff, wouldn't they have done that for the reason of "getting Trump"? If they had added or fixed the files to frame Trump, why wouldn't they have released them?
 
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I love how you've convicted someone already when no evidence has been brought forward. As I said in a rational tone yesterday, the Biden admin had, and likely added, to this file. If Biden had it, then Kamala knew about it. When Kamala was running for president, if there were some kind of evidence incriminating Trump, I think she would have used it. Now I don't know that for fact, but it sure would seem like a natural maneuver on her part. And, I'd be willing to bet that if you were on her staff you would have been jumping up and down with encouragement to make a major speech announcing Trump's involvement

Now I don't know any more about the Epstein file than you do. But even though the House has been requested to subpoena Bill and Hillary, and we also know their names are in the file, I won't jump to the conclusion they are guilty of evidence based on all the "noise" in the public domain.

You can continue to bloviate as much as you like, but just because you think something does not make it true.

And don't worry, if you murdered someone, i'd make a decision on guilt or innocence based on facts presented, not something an attorney thought happened.
Again...you seem to be missing the point.

We already KNOW that Trump is a serial liar/adjudicated rapist/thief/felon/criminal/Epstein bro.

Those characterizations are non-negotiable facts apart from whatever is contained within those Epstein files. Then you add in the damn mountain of circumstantial evidence we already have with regard to Trump's close association with Epstein, and it's wild how much benefit of the doubt you seem ready and willing to grant a guy that is generally accepted as a loathsome piece of **** even by the people who vote for him.
 

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And Dershowitz , who was named by one of the girls as having had sex with her (subsequently recanted) says he has seen some of the files/names _ how did he get access?
Alan Dershowitz's role in this whole saga is a particularly interesting question from my perspective. Dershowitz was a highly respected, and pretty liberal, Harvard professor up until roughly ten years ago. Then, all of a sudden, he commences backing Trump's position on pretty much every issue, often making himself look ridiculous. It's like a full 180, executed almost overnight. Dershowitz has always been a Zionist, and I don't mean that as an insult. He has consistently defended Netanyahu's hard line position regarding the destruction of Israeli Arab communities, their replacement with communities of hard line Jewish settlers, and the strategy of avoiding any meaningful negotiation or concession with either the Palestinians or Arab countries who support them. To that extent, Dershowitz appears to have opinions similar to Trump. But the Zionism does not come close to explaining Dershowitz's unfailing support for Trump over the last decade on any and all issues. I think Trump has something on Dershowitz, and my guess is that it has something to do with Dershowitz's visits to Pedo Island.
 
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I love how you've convicted someone already when no evidence has been brought forward. As I said in a rational tone yesterday, the Biden admin had, and likely added, to this file. If Biden had it, then Kamala knew about it. When Kamala was running for president, if there were some kind of evidence incriminating Trump, I think she would have used it. Now I don't know that for fact, but it sure would seem like a natural maneuver on her part. And, I'd be willing to bet that if you were on her staff you would have been jumping up and down with encouragement to make a major speech announcing Trump's involvement

Now I don't know any more about the Epstein file than you do. But even though the House has been requested to subpoena Bill and Hillary, and we also know their names are in the file, I won't jump to the conclusion they are guilty of evidence based on all the "noise" in the public domain.

You can continue to bloviate as much as you like, but just because you think something does not make it true.

And don't worry, if you murdered someone, i'd make a decision on guilt or innocence based on facts presented, not something an attorney thought happened.
Rational response. Unfortunately there are some who have already concluded that Trump is at the center of the Epstein saga. They don't need any evidence.
 
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It's clear to me that all this epstein business is linked to Area 51 and the Roswell, NM incident.

I'm not done connnecting all the dots from Area 51 and the aliens bodies and spacecraft pieces, to Epstein, to Donald Trump but i'm almost there.
 

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Rational response. Unfortunately there are some who have already concluded that Trump is at the center of the Epstein saga. They don't need any evidence.
This isn't hard.

- The conspiracy theorists placed themselves at the center of the Epstein Saga, citing a deep state conspiracy with Elites
- Trump placed himself at the center of said conspiracy theorists, and folded them into his maga movement, and hired all the leaders/influencers/podcasters of the conspiracy movement to his administration, who were all obsessed with Epstein.
- As soon as they all get into power, they all begin to downplay the Epstein saga, most notably Trump.
- This has led the majority of Americans to be shocked at best, suspicious at neutral, and incriminating at worst.

This is rational and really not hard.
 
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I was responding to Ned. I know what you and tboon think. She definitely doesn't have a career in politics outside of MAGA, but he seemed to imply he thought she was way out on a limb and this could take her. When it seems obvious to me she is not out on a limb, but just out where MAGA/Trump wants her. So just don't think this matters at all.
You may be right, Huckleberry. (Love the handle, BTW. Perhaps Val Kilmer's best cinematic line ever.)

Look at Jimmy Gomer. How many times did he breathlessly report that he had the goods on Joe Biden, only to fall flat on his face when it came time to put up or shut up? Multiple times. Yet he continues on as Chairman of the House Oversight Committee. The yokels in his district, somewhere in rural Tennessee (the term "rural" is probably redundant, given that we're talking about Tennessee here) apparently love him, even if he is dumb as a bag of hammers. Witness the fact that Gomer was using an autopen to sign subpoenas that were sent to prospective witnesses concerning his Joe Biden/autopen investigation, even as he was publicly braying about how criminal it was for Biden and his subordinates to use an autopen.

So Tulsi can take some solace in the fact that one can not just survive but thrive in MAGA world notwithstanding a lack of competence or intelligence. Just ask Hegseth, MacMahon, Leavitt, Patel, and a host of others..
 

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Actually they are negotiable. He has never been adjucated as a rapist. For someone who speaks so certainly you can’t even get the facts straight
 

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Alan Dershowitz's role in this whole saga is a particularly interesting question from my perspective. Dershowitz was a highly respected, and pretty liberal, Harvard professor up until a few years ago. Then, all of a sudden (roughly ten years ago), he commences backing Trump's position on pretty much every issue, often making himself look ridiculous. It's like a full 180, executed almost overnight. Dershowitz has always been a Zionist, and I don't mean that as an insult. He has consistently defended Netanyahu's hard line position regarding the destruction of Israeli Arab communities, their replacement with communities of hard line Jewish settlers, and the strategy of avoiding any meaningful negotiation or concession with either the Palestinians or Arab countries who support them. To that extent, Dershowitz appears to have opinions similar to Trump. But the Zionism does not come close to explaining Dershowitz's unfailing support for Trump over the last decade on any and all issues. I think Trump has something on Dershowitz, and my guess is that it has something to do with Dershowitz's visits to Pedo Island.
Dershowitz hasn't been supporting Trump’s policy positions. He was critical of what he saw as political lawfare against Trump.

Wrt Epstein... Dershowitz was accused of committing sexual assault on Epstein's plane and on his island. Dershowitz was able to prove that accuser Virginia Roberts wasn't even on the plane or island when he was there.
 

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Rational response. Unfortunately there are some who have already concluded that Trump is at the center of the Epstein saga. They don't need any evidence.
How anyone could read this quote and call it rational is beyond me.

As I said in a rational tone yesterday, the Biden admin had, and likely added, to this file. If Biden had it, then Kamala knew about it. When Kamala was running for president, if there were some kind of evidence incriminating Trump, I think she would have used it. Now I don't know that for fact, but it sure would seem like a natural maneuver on her part.
 

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Actually they are negotiable. He has never been adjucated as a rapist. For someone who speaks so certainly you can’t even get the facts straight
imagine caping up for a guy when you know you have to attempt to use semantics when it comes to his sex crimes.

 
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People who are alleged to be on Epstein's "list" include:
  • Cate Blanchett
  • Naomi Campbell
  • David Copperfield
  • Cameron Diaz
  • Leonardo DiCaprio
  • Stephen Hawking
  • Michael Jackson
  • Kevin Spacey
  • Bruce Willis
  • Jimmy Kimmel
  • Chelsea Handler
  • Kathy Griffin
 

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No because deep state operatives were in control and in possession at all times up until Trump 47.
Oh. Well that explains it. So how deep do these deep state operatives run? Is Dabo one? Are there some on this board? Are there some where I work? Are there some in my house? Am I one?
 
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lol at the changing title of this thread. what a dumb ******* cult we have here.
 

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"According to her attorney"

It seems to me that the only way she's going to offer much up is if she gets something in return.

She would be stupid to not demand something in return. What does she have to lose?

of course anything she says will need to be corroborated by evidence.


 

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Oh. Well that explains it. So how deep do these deep state operatives run? Is Dabo one? Are there some on this board? Are there some where I work? Are there some in my house? Am I one?
Not a serious response.
 

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JFC is this the most circumstantial evidence that's ever piled up on one dipshit?