imajericho we're not trying to argue a point......We are just so damned jealous of your recruits we can't live with ourselves. Seriously though, its the way you guys make them out to be superstars and the second comings that we are making fun of. Other than that they are nice players for you though!
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Well, I am sure you don't have quotes of me acting that way. That said, I think our class is shaping up good. Hopefully Alkins comes too.
To be fair, every fan base is guilty of that, every fan base is constituted by a similar demographic.
Not true. I don't ever remember a person on here saying a 4* forward would be the next Duncan, or that an Australian big (that didn't even go to your school) will be the next dirk or that you'd take a senior hicks over a frosh Giles or how bout maybe the best that you'd take a sophomore Meeks over a freshman Jah! Hahaha!
Yeah, and every school cheats to get recruits, has fake classes, etc. Heard this one before.
I agree the UNC class is decent...but I don't see how Alkins comes in with all the guards you guys have. Maybe I'm wrong and Alkins plays the SF, but that's still a lot of guys to play. Besides, Roy can only win with a Ty Lawson type guard, and none of the guys on your roster fits that bill.
It's true, whether UNC fans want to admit it or not, Roy cannot develop shooters and he cannot win with a guard that's not a Lawson type. So good luck with Seventh, he's a decent player but will be no better than Dexter Strickland.
They very well could end up that high when all is said and done, but I have a hard time seeing a class without a single guy in the top 25 land anywhere near the top five in class rankings. I know UNC is still in with a top 25 guy or two, so that could change.
Ranked #4 without one 5 star recruit? I guess i am alone in thinking that ranking is WAY out of whack then (even though I am not, 3 recruits of which none of them are close to top 15 guy-20 guys). I will stick with my comments. UNC's class is okay but not one of the best.
That is a bit of an exaggeration. Duke is landing higher rated 4 star guys than UNC and the fan fare for those guys is limited. We know they are not program changers, but good recruits and program stabilizers. Instead Duke fans celebrate the signings of guys like Giles, Jackson and Tatum. Guys that will continue to keep you near the top of the basketball mountain.
@imajericho sure is drinking the koolaid if he thinks UNC's recruiting class finishes in the top-10 this year.
I'm not sure. There are a number of factors that go into ranking classes. For one, Duke, UK and Michigan State are kind of loading up right now. Barring something unforeseen, those three probably have the top three spots locked up...especially if MSU lands Josh Jackson.
To that point, you have a lot of top recruits going to different schools and spreading out. The fact that UNC has three in the top 60-75 (depending on which site or site you use) probably means at worst they're going to be in the top 12-15. Obviously things will shake out further and we'll know more next spring, but I don't think it's unfathomable to expect UNC to finish in the top 10 this class....and maybe higher if they land another player or two.
It's been a rough stretch for them missing on their 'key' targets....so I guess I don't really blame them being excited. Are some going way overboard? Sure, but that's expected. Posters here have done the same. What's more telling is their sheer joy in landing players who in the past would have been afterthoughts. For the second consecutive year, it's quite possible UNC doesn't bring in a single 5-star player. How far back would we have to go to find a similar stretch? It's a ways....that I know. And it's not a lack of recruiting them, because UNC has been after a lot of them. They're just being told 'no thanks' in the end.
Nope, I don't think we have quotes of you acting that way or making those outlandish statements like many of your peers do. Some of you guys say the craziest things that makes us embarrassed for you. I'm pleased that a UNC guy comes here to defend his team as it allows us to speak directly to a UNC fan without us getting the tombstone as we would on THR. You are 100 percent correct that your class is shaping up well and we think you have enough talent now to stop recruiting.
I saw that as well and nearly fell out of my chair:
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/usa-tod...2016-composite-basketball-recruiting-rankings
I think you're right. Exhibit A - his response when dbav asked him how he knows Coach K is negatively recruiting against UNC:
"You ever notice how the dookies RUSH onto this board at the SLIGHTEST negative point made about Vader and the cult that they participate in??? Reminds me of the Scientologists. They are VERY VERY defensive and of course are willing participants in the ongoing cover up...almost six years now ......of the Lance Thomas $70k jewelry scam that would clearly cost them the 2010 natty, hence the cover up.
Tom79 on UNC's "cooperation" with an NCAA investigation that is about to stretch into its sixth year:
"Covered up? Wow, you missed something along the way and in a big way...rephrase it to say UNC presented everything on a silver platter and cooperated at every chance on UNC's part withe NCAA."
Wow. To reference George Costanza for the second time this afternoon: "It's not a lie if you believe it."
"Covered up? Wow, you missed something along the way and in a big way...rephrase it to say UNC presented everything on a silver platter and cooperated at every chance on UNC's part withe NCAA."
Wow. To reference George Costanza for the second time this afternoon: "It's not a lie if you believe it."
I read that same thing and thought this guy actually believes this thing he is typing.
Keysersosay is the only Hole that ever mentions Lance Thomas and he does it every chance he gets. He writes it for himself apparently because no one else cares. He's a sad sadistic dude who seems to hate the world.
And gary brings up the refs every chance he gets, and Dsouth goes on incoherent rants every chance he gets, and chapleheeled says "JMHO" every chance he gets. you are who you are.
It's funny I riled them up so much. I didn't expect it to that extent. I just think it's funny that everyone is to blame for using negative recruiting against them, which raises 2 points to me.
1. Why would we need to? Coming off an NC, killing it in recruiting, getting guys to the NBA, etc. Take that with the fact we haven't gone head to head with many recruits and it doesn't seem like we would need to.
2. The source of the alleged negative recruiting is still a result of their own actions.
Perhaps I'm naive and we actually do negatively recruit, but I find it unlikely. UNCheat has done a nice job of negatively recruiting itself for the last few years.
1. Why would we need to? Coming off an NC, killing it in recruiting, getting guys to the NBA, etc. Take that with the fact we haven't gone head to head with many recruits and it doesn't seem like we would need to.
2. The source of the alleged negative recruiting is still a result of their own actions.
Perhaps I'm naive and we actually do negatively recruit, but I find it unlikely. UNCheat has done a nice job of negatively recruiting itself for the last few years.
We do not. But they don't want to hear that b/c it doesn't comply with their narrative. Now having said that I did see most of that thread and I wish you would have said both of those things. Why do you really believe that K or Cal or whoever is negatively recruiting against UNC? They dont have too. On the flip side ROY DOES HAVE TO explain to Kids and their Parents what the future is for carolina. That's not assumption that's a fact. Kid's parents, especially of OAD players want to be able to showcase their talent in the tourney and Roy cannot promise anything. he can say we dont think we will get anything or it is highly unlikely, etc.
However, if you're a big time OAD and you have an offer from Duke or UNC and you are 50/50 and you're not 100% sure if UNC will be in the tourney b/c you're not sure what will happen, why would you not go to Duke. Or UK, or KU, or whoever. It's that simple and they dont want to admit that to themselves. So they'll make excuses and cry foul on everyone else.
Yes but when you weren't regularly landing those guys, many of your fans did understandably hype up the kids you did get. The rise of the OADs has obviously bolstered your recruiting because K has been able to adapt very well with a good mix of 3-4 year guys and handpicked OADs. Obviously when UNC was landing a number of 5 stars each year there is less of a need or even desire to hype up the guys that had been signed.
To be fair I don't think it's an exaggeration, it just seems that way since you've been rolling in terms or recruiting for the last few years. Every single fan base has groups of posters who can be accused of frequent hyperbole, unrealistic expectations and the like. To act like you guys or any fan base is above doing that is just ignoring facts. There are these types of fans in every single fan base, there is just less room for those types of posts when you are actually landing a number of top 10 recruits.
An example that comes to mind was when a number of posters here claimed that Thornton was a better college player or would be superior to Kendall Marshall. Kendall was not a superstar one and done like a Kyrie but there were plenty of guys here who said that he was better than Marshall when it was just flat out untrue and unrealistic to expect him to be that.
I'm not saying that did not happen, but I've been here ten years and I sure don't remember anyone saying that. But my memory is not what it used to be.
Anyway, compare that to a well known comment about the same player made by your fellow posters that has been the subject of ridicule here, and a prime example of this exact thing. If you are correct, Duke fan hyperbole was saying Tyler Thornton would be better than Kendall Marshall. Tar Heel fan hyperbole is saying that Marshall would be top-50 all-time NBA player. I would say one of those is an awful lot closer to the deep end.
Been a regular on this board since 2009, and I don't remember that either.
Why is Key so angry?
"dbav I will wait, as we all have waited for FIVE years now...for the independent complete, thorough and full investigation into the Lance Thomas $70k diamond jewelry scam
Nothing has been done by your "university" on this..NOTHING! That is what is known as a COVER UP with the coach of your cult ,Coach Vader, in compete control of your entire "university". We have spent a total of $7 million dollars on 5 different investigations over the last five years,
When Coach Vader allows your "university" to spend ONE dollar STARTING the investigation mentioned above, THEN I will start taking what you and your fellow cultists say and think seriously."
"dbav I will wait, as we all have waited for FIVE years now...for the independent complete, thorough and full investigation into the Lance Thomas $70k diamond jewelry scam
Nothing has been done by your "university" on this..NOTHING! That is what is known as a COVER UP with the coach of your cult ,Coach Vader, in compete control of your entire "university". We have spent a total of $7 million dollars on 5 different investigations over the last five years,
When Coach Vader allows your "university" to spend ONE dollar STARTING the investigation mentioned above, THEN I will start taking what you and your fellow cultists say and think seriously."
you would think lance thomas was some sort of serial killer the way he brings him up.
Okay, the Lance Thomas crap is getting old. There just isn't any evidence at all to say there was any kind of 'benefit', or crime, or whatever committed. Lance paid $35,000 down payment on $70,000 worth of jewelry. Anyone could have gotten a loan for doing that...especially when you're dealing with jewelry with such an incredible profit markup...the $35,000 was more than the piece was worth most likely. Again...anyone could get a 'loan' like that with that type of down payment on something that wasn't worth anywhere close to 70,000. That wasn't an impermissible benefit because anyone could have gotten that 'deal'.
Yeah, Key wants to believe that an agent or anyone loaned Lance the money. Preposterous! I think the world of Lance and I wouldn't have loaned him $500 based on his ability to play in the NBA...and neither would have anyone else.
What he conveniently leaves out is that his mother was the head manager of a Ford Motor plant in New Jersey. I think that safely put her above the minimum wage.
Now was Lance foolish for buying the jewelry and obtaining the loan...hell yeah imo. First, and I'm out of touch with the newer generation, but why blow that much on crap jewelry...why not maybe a nice set of wheels? And he should have known that something like that would place Duke in a harsh way...so it was stupid. Anyway, whether Key or any of the Heels like it or not there is no proof that anything nefarious happened whatsoever...but facts will never get in the way.
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Yeah, Key wants to believe that an agent or anyone loaned Lance the money. Preposterous! I think the world of Lance and I wouldn't have loaned him $500 based on his ability to play in the NBA...and neither would have anyone else.
What he conveniently leaves out is that his mother was the head manager of a Ford Motor plant in New Jersey. I think that safely put her above the minimum wage.
Now was Lance foolish for buying the jewelry and obtaining the loan...hell yeah imo. First, and I'm out of touch with the newer generation, but why blow that much on crap jewelry...why not maybe a nice set of wheels? And he should have known that something like that would place Duke in a harsh way...so it was stupid. Anyway, whether Key or any of the Heels like it or not there is no proof that anything nefarious happened whatsoever...but facts will never get in the way.
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That's the whole point. It doesn't jive with their narrative.
Yeah no doubt. However, maybe someone like dukiejay would remember but there were a few threads comparing Kendall and Tyler. They had played many times in HS and Thornton's teams had come out on top on more than a few occasions and so the comparisons were obviously going to be made. I don't have anything to gain by making it up, it was just an example that I recalled from your fan base. Obviously those threads are going to be less common now given how you guys are recruiting.
Many of the comparisons you guys are bringing up that have been made by some posters are outrageous but it's a small part of a large fan base. The only one that caught my eye that might not be crazy would be a senior Hicks vs. a freshman Giles. You guys had a similar debate with a junior (I believe) Singler vs. a freshman Barnes. Singler, like Hicks was a lower 5 star, not a program changer but definitely a great college player. Hicks could round into a very good college player.
Singlet was a lower 5 star? Could sworn he was one of the Top 5 players out of high school.
Yeah i made that exact same point i believe in this very thread. Probably on the last page. But the point i made was we were not saying that he was a better player or that we would PREFER him over the incoming stud. Just that for that lone year we'd be fine. The second and more important point on that issue is that to that point Kyle had done MUCH MUCH more than Hicks (who's done a grand total of nothing). This was even before Kyle went on to have the Jr. year he did and become MOP in the F4.
Sorry I meant in terms of pro potential, what he realistically was, not what he was ranked. Paulus was also rated the #1 PG in his class. Both were not the OAD talent Giles is. I should have been clearer.
To be fair I said Singler was a great college player and that Hicks could be a very good one. He's been stuck behind a couple of decent collegiate frontcourt players in Meeks and Johnson. We have yet to see what he can do but I think he will be very good his senior year.
I remember the Thornton/Marshall comparisons. At the time the hype for Marshall had really died down. If I recall (and this is off the top of my head, so I acknowledge I could be wrong), but wasn't Marshall one of the top prospects in his class as a sophomore but then slid into the 40s by some rankings as a senior?
My point is, Marshall's stock had gone down (which we found out to be silly) and I think Thornton had stayed in that 75-100 tier. So yes, I do remember some Duke fans making comparisons between the two....and some, looking back now, were kind of silly. But I also remember UNC fans before Marshall had ever played a game saying they may need to recruit another point guard because he wasn't viewed as a sure-thing anymore.
For the most part I don't disagree with tarh33ls much....every fanbase has their nuts. It's just that right now, because of how things are going for them in so many ways, UNC fans are clearly winning in the 'nut' category. That said, when DSouthr and Gary-7 are two people that board really fawns over I think it adds to the element. Plus, keyser and chapelheeled....oh man. Not much to say about that. More than anything, I think the conspiracy theories run very deep over there. For a blue-blood program, UNC has a lot of insecure fans. A lot.
My point is, Marshall's stock had gone down (which we found out to be silly) and I think Thornton had stayed in that 75-100 tier. So yes, I do remember some Duke fans making comparisons between the two....and some, looking back now, were kind of silly. But I also remember UNC fans before Marshall had ever played a game saying they may need to recruit another point guard because he wasn't viewed as a sure-thing anymore.
For the most part I don't disagree with tarh33ls much....every fanbase has their nuts. It's just that right now, because of how things are going for them in so many ways, UNC fans are clearly winning in the 'nut' category. That said, when DSouthr and Gary-7 are two people that board really fawns over I think it adds to the element. Plus, keyser and chapelheeled....oh man. Not much to say about that. More than anything, I think the conspiracy theories run very deep over there. For a blue-blood program, UNC has a lot of insecure fans. A lot.