You have to give Roy his due. He is the VERY best at taking OAD talent and turning it into TOM(two or more)! OFC
Favorite THR Quotes....
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DSouthr explaining why the likes of Josh Jackson and Ferguson won't go to Carolina. Because they are too deep at their positions. Lollll. You can't make it up.
"Again, as is the case for Furgerson as well, we are well stocked at the wing and the 2, we are 3 deep at each position, those fellas were very talented but they were not going to commit to a program already 3 deep at their position with talent.
Look, wings - Justin, Theo, BRob, Shey Rush as well, and Leaky Black on the way and I think his real position will lend up as a wing or a 4 if he keeps on growing. He is 6'6-7" now, IMO not going to allow him to be a PG but he could be a dynamic wing. He is expected to top out at 6'7" so I don't see him as a power forward.
2 guards - Nate, Kenny, 7th, Surrat as well, AND Jalek on the way
That is not just deep but that is deep with very young guys that are not one & done guys, most likely Juniors or seniors before they leave.
Where we need guys is at the 4 & 5 spots, we need at very least 2 from 2017 and 3 would be better. I STRONGLY suspect we will get a 5star very likely one & done guy for our front court in the 2017 class. We will be VERY attractive to a one & done center or power forward from this 2017 class when you consider both Meeks and Hicks will be seniors next season, we will have that wide open PT the one & done guys look for, even more so than what Ky or duke can show them and that is a HUGE piece of the puzzle. We should have the mystery finally solved over what the NCAA will or will not do to men's basketball and football and that is another big piece of the puzzle."
"Again, as is the case for Furgerson as well, we are well stocked at the wing and the 2, we are 3 deep at each position, those fellas were very talented but they were not going to commit to a program already 3 deep at their position with talent.
Look, wings - Justin, Theo, BRob, Shey Rush as well, and Leaky Black on the way and I think his real position will lend up as a wing or a 4 if he keeps on growing. He is 6'6-7" now, IMO not going to allow him to be a PG but he could be a dynamic wing. He is expected to top out at 6'7" so I don't see him as a power forward.
2 guards - Nate, Kenny, 7th, Surrat as well, AND Jalek on the way
That is not just deep but that is deep with very young guys that are not one & done guys, most likely Juniors or seniors before they leave.
Where we need guys is at the 4 & 5 spots, we need at very least 2 from 2017 and 3 would be better. I STRONGLY suspect we will get a 5star very likely one & done guy for our front court in the 2017 class. We will be VERY attractive to a one & done center or power forward from this 2017 class when you consider both Meeks and Hicks will be seniors next season, we will have that wide open PT the one & done guys look for, even more so than what Ky or duke can show them and that is a HUGE piece of the puzzle. We should have the mystery finally solved over what the NCAA will or will not do to men's basketball and football and that is another big piece of the puzzle."
Gary's posts are the best. Every time he makes some big statement, it's like he's challenging people to say he's wrong by making comments about "ask Chizik". He has those kind of comments about ask this person or ask that person if you don't believe me. They're hilarious. You would think Gary is one of the most social people and is in the inner circle of college sports, going to all the big parties and being invited to all kinds of events. In reality, he's just some guy on a couch who reads things on the Internet like 99% of the rest of us sports fans.
I think we have multiple reasons to be thankful for the academic scandal. If UNC had been forced to play legit these last 20+ years, the school wouldn't have been as great as it has been in basketball. They wouldn't have signed a lot of these players, they probably wouldn't be our rival and most of the THR posters would have been fans of other teams. For all we know, we dodged a bullet as we may have had people like Gary, DSouthr, and Archer on this board.
If a kid comes to Duke it's because K promises them the world and then selfishly doesn't give it to them if they can't perform day one.
If a kid doesn't play early it's b/c K lied to him during the recruiting process b/c he's selfish and that kid's future is ruined and probably would have been a STUD somewhere else.
If a kid leaves early for the OAD it's b/c K doesn't care about the kid's long term future or academics, only his own selfish win at all costs mentality.
If a kid decides to transfer it's b/c K pushed him out the door to make room for another kid, of course also lying to the kid during the process, for his own selfish gains.
If a kid decides to come back to school instead of go pro, it's because K did it for his own selfish reasons of winning, holding that kid's future hostage and ruining his long term future just for the purpose of adding to his win total, again not having the kid's best interest at heart. He basically begged them to come back at their own expense.
Plug and play time over at THR. Just use one of these going forward and it'll save you guys a lot of time.
If a kid doesn't play early it's b/c K lied to him during the recruiting process b/c he's selfish and that kid's future is ruined and probably would have been a STUD somewhere else.
If a kid leaves early for the OAD it's b/c K doesn't care about the kid's long term future or academics, only his own selfish win at all costs mentality.
If a kid decides to transfer it's b/c K pushed him out the door to make room for another kid, of course also lying to the kid during the process, for his own selfish gains.
If a kid decides to come back to school instead of go pro, it's because K did it for his own selfish reasons of winning, holding that kid's future hostage and ruining his long term future just for the purpose of adding to his win total, again not having the kid's best interest at heart. He basically begged them to come back at their own expense.
Plug and play time over at THR. Just use one of these going forward and it'll save you guys a lot of time.
I think I was once capable of such reckless and irrational hatred. Fortunately, I grew out of it by the time I turned 15.
YUP! Time to be big boys now. Fortunately for our entertainment at THR they are still reading Dick and Jane novels. OFC
Wow, now they have a thread about our decision to evaluate our women's team. I don't know what's going on with our women's program, but I find it highly ironic that any UNC fan would dare speak about improprieties in women's basketball, especially considering they're about to serve up Hatchell on a silver platter to the NCAA.
I swear, the collective lack of self-awareness at THR is just baffling.
I swear, the collective lack of self-awareness at THR is just baffling.
Required reading for AFAM majors. Roy picked those titles out himself, "Shucks, they were just so amusing."
If Meeks is the second coming of Wes Unseld then Kendall "Butter" Marshall indeed will be one of the 50 greatest NBA players of all time.
OFC
If Meeks is the second coming of Wes Unseld then Kendall "Butter" Marshall indeed will be one of the 50 greatest NBA players of all time.
Somebody said Berry will be the top 50 all time PG in the NBA. Sheesh
I think they are trolling us on their own threads. Surely they aren't that retarded but then again they are UNC fans
to be fair, is he just testing the waters, checking out the feedback, or hiring an agent?
DSouthr is something else
It is not nor has it ever been a question of him starting, it is a question of how much PT he will have to split with the guys we already have. No matter who commits to us, heck Lebron could commit and Justin & Theo would STILL get solid PT. It is not as simple as I can start, these one & done kids need to see wide open 30-35mins + available PT for them and you do not get that with a team as deep as we are at the wing or the 2. Number of minutes means more to these 1 & done kids than the promise of a starting spot!
I've seen it all now. Now Justin and Theo would get solid PT over one of the greatest players of all time Hahahahaha. Seen it all but thats a special kind of stupid
It is not nor has it ever been a question of him starting, it is a question of how much PT he will have to split with the guys we already have. No matter who commits to us, heck Lebron could commit and Justin & Theo would STILL get solid PT. It is not as simple as I can start, these one & done kids need to see wide open 30-35mins + available PT for them and you do not get that with a team as deep as we are at the wing or the 2. Number of minutes means more to these 1 & done kids than the promise of a starting spot!
I've seen it all now. Now Justin and Theo would get solid PT over one of the greatest players of all time Hahahahaha. Seen it all but thats a special kind of stupid
Hark_The_Sound_2010:
"Great decision by Justin. Also good news for the heels. We couldn't rip on K for holding back Allen if Jackson didn't at least test the waters. Now he did so we can point that out. Sucks Trip Whiplash, you got brainwashed and didn't even see what the scouts wanted from you (other than to stop tripping opponents)."
DUHHHH!!!!
"Great decision by Justin. Also good news for the heels. We couldn't rip on K for holding back Allen if Jackson didn't at least test the waters. Now he did so we can point that out. Sucks Trip Whiplash, you got brainwashed and didn't even see what the scouts wanted from you (other than to stop tripping opponents)."
DUHHHH!!!!
I believe that was item 4 or 5 on my list earlier. Just reference the thr poster and the stock response to save time going forward.
LOL, this may be a foreign concept for UNC, and pretty much D-1 hoops in general at a high level, Grayson Allen wants his degree, loves being in college, and wants to work on his PG skills for the next level rather than making a hasty decision that could lead to a short stint in the NBA. Or it could just be that K held him back like Jabari Parker Rodney Hood, Austin Rivers, Tyus Jones, Justice Winslow, Jah, or Brandon Ingram. Oh wait.....
Duke cheats their players out of an NBA opportunity. UNC cheats their players out of an education and an NBA opportunity.
Another gem from the ever hilarious DSouthr:
"I don't really care who is drafted before who, that is on the NBA and I am not a NBA fan, I am a fan of the college game.
What I do find funny is dukies that talk about how Roy holds his players back and K does not do that, that is why duke gets the better talents as of late? Funny isn't it, Justin Jackson a Jr if he comes back has entered his name in the draft to test the waters and yet Allen, also a Jr is not even testing the waters? Alen AKA whipper tripper, had the higher scoring numbers by a lot, All ACC and Justin wasn't, and yet it is Justin testing the NBA waters and Allen not giving it a look see. Who is holding who back now? LOL
Want another example, by all reports jefferson could have come back a few games at the end of the regular season, word is his doctors had released him to play. But for some reason he just didn't feel like he was ready, so he was saved to be able to play another season for K. So rather than the greatest players we have ever seen, the sure fire #1 over all pick in any draft, Jefferson was held back from further play this season, delaying his mega paydays, so he could play another season for K? The ONLY reason as we have been told so many times, that duke did not win it all this season as well, was held back by the very guy that duke fans want us to believe does not hold his players back from the NBA? Who is really holding who back again dukies?"
"I don't really care who is drafted before who, that is on the NBA and I am not a NBA fan, I am a fan of the college game.
What I do find funny is dukies that talk about how Roy holds his players back and K does not do that, that is why duke gets the better talents as of late? Funny isn't it, Justin Jackson a Jr if he comes back has entered his name in the draft to test the waters and yet Allen, also a Jr is not even testing the waters? Alen AKA whipper tripper, had the higher scoring numbers by a lot, All ACC and Justin wasn't, and yet it is Justin testing the NBA waters and Allen not giving it a look see. Who is holding who back now? LOL
Want another example, by all reports jefferson could have come back a few games at the end of the regular season, word is his doctors had released him to play. But for some reason he just didn't feel like he was ready, so he was saved to be able to play another season for K. So rather than the greatest players we have ever seen, the sure fire #1 over all pick in any draft, Jefferson was held back from further play this season, delaying his mega paydays, so he could play another season for K? The ONLY reason as we have been told so many times, that duke did not win it all this season as well, was held back by the very guy that duke fans want us to believe does not hold his players back from the NBA? Who is really holding who back again dukies?"
And can't leave out the ever hilarious Steat:
"The obvious conclusion is that K convinced Punkston Allen not to test the waters. Why? Because K is only thinking about his legacy. Every mock draft that I have seen projects Allen in the late first round. And the kid didn't at least test the waters? Punkston has no margin for error next year. He had couple of close calls in the Dance that could have easily been called as tripping. I don't think he can go the entire season next year without another tripping incident. You heard it here first. The ACC with suspend him for 5-10 games when that happens. If Bolden signs with Duke, I will bet anyone that Amile Jabbar Oneil Jefferson will be coming off the bench. Only K can convince a bogus medical redshirt senior to come back for another year to come off the bench. The kid went out with 3-4 week injury timeframe in early December and stays out the rest of the year. I blame Jefferson for his stupidity."
"The obvious conclusion is that K convinced Punkston Allen not to test the waters. Why? Because K is only thinking about his legacy. Every mock draft that I have seen projects Allen in the late first round. And the kid didn't at least test the waters? Punkston has no margin for error next year. He had couple of close calls in the Dance that could have easily been called as tripping. I don't think he can go the entire season next year without another tripping incident. You heard it here first. The ACC with suspend him for 5-10 games when that happens. If Bolden signs with Duke, I will bet anyone that Amile Jabbar Oneil Jefferson will be coming off the bench. Only K can convince a bogus medical redshirt senior to come back for another year to come off the bench. The kid went out with 3-4 week injury timeframe in early December and stays out the rest of the year. I blame Jefferson for his stupidity."
I haven't seen any Duke fans claim Jefferson was even a first round pick, let alone #1. So I don't get that.
The reason all of these kids at Carolina are testing their draft status couldn't possibly be due to the fact that there are several impending allegations hanging over their heads and it just might be a good idea to see where they stand in the draft just in case---could it? Naaaaw that couldn't be it. It has to be that Roy encourages them to do so and Coach K holds them back. OFC
Why even worry about someone that willfully ignorant? That is a weak piece of anecdotal evidence, with zero context. What is he thinking that is even proof of?
It's funny how they can't comprehend that Amile was the most important player on our team last year. Has nothing to do with NBA talent but rather he was a leader and he excels at two parts of the game that we were weakest at last year that being rebounding and defense. Seems like an easy concept to me, we were ultra thin last year and struggled with defense and rebounding. Doesn't mean any of us thought he would go number 1.
They know the truth, it is simply something else that is convenient for them to use as more "Blast Duke" ammunition. Total clown show over there.
It is just a matter of comprehension and what they actually wanted us to say. Because not on person ever claimed Amile was the best player this year or anything like that, they got upset and just started with the hyperbole. They are solid at that. However when looking at it realistically, Amile was very important to Duke's success or lack of. Glue guys are very important at all programs. Amile is a glue guy. He is a vocal leader. He is the defensive quarterback. It is not hard to see his value for Duke, but make no mistake, not one of us claimed he was a super hero. If they are being honest with themselves, they can understand that Duke was a much better team with Amile and the ceiling was much higher. What were Duke's main weaknesses last season? Interior defense and rebounding. What does Amile do best?
Even dsouth is capable of seeing that. Admitting it is another story though.
they would never consider that possibility...just for the unknown of what may go down next year, they all should test the waters.....and why should grayson test the waters if he wants to stay to continue to towards his degree....he can test next year....it is obvious what grayson needs to work on....ball handling/pg skills and mid-range......the nba game isnt going to allow for his assaults on the rim if he wants to stay in one piece
Just went over there. DSouthr is under some intense delusional cloud:
"I think we are in great shape for Carter, Bamba, or Kevin Knox. The ONLY thing that could muddy that up is if those guys bring in street agents looking for back room deals and I worry Bamba may end up down that road, hope not. Roy has gone on record saying if he does not get Bamba that it will not be because he was out worked for the kid, ya may want to really listen to him about that. By the way, IMO that kid is by far the #1 player in that class, by FARRRRRRRRRR!"
I'm actually surprised he could muster up the effort to type all those words to be honest... surprisingly, I actually agree with one of those sentences - the last.
"I think we are in great shape for Carter, Bamba, or Kevin Knox. The ONLY thing that could muddy that up is if those guys bring in street agents looking for back room deals and I worry Bamba may end up down that road, hope not. Roy has gone on record saying if he does not get Bamba that it will not be because he was out worked for the kid, ya may want to really listen to him about that. By the way, IMO that kid is by far the #1 player in that class, by FARRRRRRRRRR!"
I'm actually surprised he could muster up the effort to type all those words to be honest... surprisingly, I actually agree with one of those sentences - the last.
That's the only way huh? Well done on his end to build in the excuse train early.
What do you mean "early"? That's the excuse they've always had haha.
Of course every top tier recruit wants to spend their only season being held back with no development, under sanctions with no post season, and, at that point officially, playing for the biggest fraud of a program in history.
So DSouthr's real name is not Jon Rothstein?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ions-dukes-amile-jefferson-is-blue-devils-mvp
If any of you are looking to make some money, GSD said over there that this upcoming season will be K's last and that he's willing to put a wager on it.