Did he really try to use Seth Curry as an example? That's probably one of the worst examples he could've used considering that Seth was at Duke for 4 years/8 semesters counting his redshirt season. Sometimes I wonder if DSouthr, Steat, Gary-7 and a few others are competing to see which one of them is the most delusional or which one of them can make the most idiotic posts.
Favorite THR Quotes....
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HA! I just spit coffee all over my desk reading that. I'm sure Joel James is going to get a lot of mileage out of that history major. Good lord.
All I know is UNC girls who want to be "set for life" marry Duke guys. When a Duke girl marries a UNC guy, she's the one paying the bills.
Yea, gun to my head I would say UK, but I don't think anybody really knows anything at this point. Bolden and his family have gone completely silent so all we can do is speculate.
Of course, I could give a "Gary Type Update"...........I'm hearing that while UK might be the perceived leader, Ol' K ain't giving up and I've heard he's really appealed to the parents here. Cal is still slinging' mud and it may be too much to overcome, but don't count K out just yet. He's doin' work!
Couple of early laughers this morning.
DSouth: "K is trying to rip off the Carolina Way"
No need to rip off a fake credo.
HeelFan58: "From all indications you guys don't understand how prestigious a 3 year common sense er I mean sociology degree from dook is."
The irony of this post is just too much. Have they already forgotten about AFAM?
DSouth: "K is trying to rip off the Carolina Way"
No need to rip off a fake credo.
HeelFan58: "From all indications you guys don't understand how prestigious a 3 year common sense er I mean sociology degree from dook is."
The irony of this post is just too much. Have they already forgotten about AFAM?
I think so many people take the "set for life" thing out of context. I'm trying to figure out if they're just that dumb or trying to troll? Honestly, I think they're that dumb.
Here's how I take it to mean. That by committing and attending Duke you become part of a prestigious network. The exact same thing, IMO, applies to players who commit to UNC. I think being a part of that 'network' affords you some advantages. But who knows....maybe I'm being completely irrational.
I graduated from an elite four-year business school in the Midwest and got by MBA there too. Same with my wife. I'd be lying if I didn't say my alumni network opened many doors for me and my family. That's not to say it made me "set for life" but it created opportunities that I do not take for granted. I've worked incredibly hard in my profession and I'm thankful.
Also, while I know @Mark Gastineau and @DukeDenver are two Duke graduates on this board, they can probably chime in on their experiences as well. My cousin graduated from Duke in 1992....the first two positions she held out of grad school she was hired by Duke alumni. Again, she wasn't "set for life" but to say her network and degree didn't play an important part early on in her career would be foolish.
I'm not saying Duke is the only school this applies to (not even close). That's hardly the case. Right or wrong, alumni often look out for their fellow alumni. That doesn't mean hard work isn't required and they're just handed the keys to something they're not qualified to do. But to suggest it doesn't open doors makes no sense.
Lastly, the "set for life" thing is being paraphrased by a 17-year-old kid....let's keep that in mind.
Here's how I take it to mean. That by committing and attending Duke you become part of a prestigious network. The exact same thing, IMO, applies to players who commit to UNC. I think being a part of that 'network' affords you some advantages. But who knows....maybe I'm being completely irrational.
I graduated from an elite four-year business school in the Midwest and got by MBA there too. Same with my wife. I'd be lying if I didn't say my alumni network opened many doors for me and my family. That's not to say it made me "set for life" but it created opportunities that I do not take for granted. I've worked incredibly hard in my profession and I'm thankful.
Also, while I know @Mark Gastineau and @DukeDenver are two Duke graduates on this board, they can probably chime in on their experiences as well. My cousin graduated from Duke in 1992....the first two positions she held out of grad school she was hired by Duke alumni. Again, she wasn't "set for life" but to say her network and degree didn't play an important part early on in her career would be foolish.
I'm not saying Duke is the only school this applies to (not even close). That's hardly the case. Right or wrong, alumni often look out for their fellow alumni. That doesn't mean hard work isn't required and they're just handed the keys to something they're not qualified to do. But to suggest it doesn't open doors makes no sense.
Lastly, the "set for life" thing is being paraphrased by a 17-year-old kid....let's keep that in mind.
I'd be lying if I said the Duke degree didn't make my job search after college and getting into law school easier. More than that though are the connections I was fortunate enough to make while in school. While I haven't taken advantage of them as much as I probably should have at this point, it's nice knowing I have multiple resources in the finance, legal, medical, and tech industries. Could be extremely valuable if I quit posting on these boards all the time, ha.
The Duke network is an incredibly valuable career chip. At 18 years old, I was just too idealistic and maybe "public school" to cash in on that aspect of college, so I didn't play that game very well. Also, I'm a relatively lowly paid educator and researcher, so my career is completely based on merit for now. Maybe as I ladder climb, my connections will become a factor. I am moving back to North Carolina soon too.
I've had three jobs since grad school. None of the three hirings involved a Duke connection. However, the Duke name on my degree definitely had something to do with why I got all 3 jobs. It gave me instant credibility despite glaring gaps on my resume, which have since been filled in thanks to those initial opportunities. The Duke brand is it's own degree, separate from a BS, MD, JD or PhD.
If two pleasant, fresh-out-of college applicants walk in your business, one a Devil and one a Tarheel, and both have 3.8 GPAs in Economics, who do you hire? Ignoring the schools, you'd likely see a difference in the two people without knowing where they went to school. Duke provides a different kind of education.
One last note, I recently went through my freshman year "facebook" (That was just before the Facebook was coming out) and googled a bunch of people that I haven't thought about in years, and literally every one of them held an influential or otherwise impressive position: public office, lawyers, doctors, lots of business owners, etc. It was pretty awesome.
I've had three jobs since grad school. None of the three hirings involved a Duke connection. However, the Duke name on my degree definitely had something to do with why I got all 3 jobs. It gave me instant credibility despite glaring gaps on my resume, which have since been filled in thanks to those initial opportunities. The Duke brand is it's own degree, separate from a BS, MD, JD or PhD.
If two pleasant, fresh-out-of college applicants walk in your business, one a Devil and one a Tarheel, and both have 3.8 GPAs in Economics, who do you hire? Ignoring the schools, you'd likely see a difference in the two people without knowing where they went to school. Duke provides a different kind of education.
One last note, I recently went through my freshman year "facebook" (That was just before the Facebook was coming out) and googled a bunch of people that I haven't thought about in years, and literally every one of them held an influential or otherwise impressive position: public office, lawyers, doctors, lots of business owners, etc. It was pretty awesome.
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"Could be extremely valuable if I quit posting on these boards all the time, ha."
Haaaa, F that though, Mark. Need you around here. Lol.
Haaaa, F that though, Mark. Need you around here. Lol.
So when K lands Carter and Bamba, will we hear the usual "well we really didn't want them anyway. If Roy really wanted them he would've gotten them"?
OFC
OFC
And because they obviously had handlers and Roy doesn't play those kinda games. Loll.
And because we did something $hady...
All 4 previous post on this thread is dead on. If both or just one comes to Duke just take a look over at thr and those things will be there. OFC
From the critically acclaimed poster, Archer:
"One last time for the intentionally obtuse(?) dookies.
I have no problem with occasional OAD's, none. I do have a problem with bringing them in every year, like UK and dook have chosen to do. I want our program to be predicated on 3-4 year players, with an occasional OAD thrown in. UK and dook's stars are now one year wonders doing their obligatory one year college sentence. Our stars are Juniors and Seniors who aren't just paying lip service to college.
And that's why UNC isn't perceived as a OAD school. It's also why I don't expect us to magically start signing a bunch of OAD's now that the NCAA cloud is lifting. Roy knows this and will continue to offer OAD's, knowing it's unlikely that we'll land many of them. Being the coach of a top program, he has to offer them, it doesn't mean he expects many of them to matriculate to UNC."
"One last time for the intentionally obtuse(?) dookies.
I have no problem with occasional OAD's, none. I do have a problem with bringing them in every year, like UK and dook have chosen to do. I want our program to be predicated on 3-4 year players, with an occasional OAD thrown in. UK and dook's stars are now one year wonders doing their obligatory one year college sentence. Our stars are Juniors and Seniors who aren't just paying lip service to college.
And that's why UNC isn't perceived as a OAD school. It's also why I don't expect us to magically start signing a bunch of OAD's now that the NCAA cloud is lifting. Roy knows this and will continue to offer OAD's, knowing it's unlikely that we'll land many of them. Being the coach of a top program, he has to offer them, it doesn't mean he expects many of them to matriculate to UNC."
I replied to Archer on THR, but I received no response from him or anyone else. Many of the THR's posters claim that UNC doesn't build their program around OAD's, which is true. But the claim that Roy doesn't want a handful of these OAD type-players is wildly naive. If we take OAD players from the previous 4 seasons, 19 of those guys received offers from UNC - and 15 received offers from Duke. The difference, of course, is we are actually able to sign these recruits. UNC is trying to get the best kids available, just like Duke, Kentucky, and everybody else.
But maybe Archer is right, maybe Roy is simply offering these kids scholarships because, being the head coach of a a top program, he has to offer them. It's merely a formality to offer the top prospects with no intent on actually wanting to sign any of them. I mean, Roy did offer scholarships to 15 of the top 25 players in the class of 2016. He didn't sign any of those 15 guys, which clearly indicates that he really didn't want them. Presumably because of handlers... Interesting to note that of the 22 scholarships extended to the 2016 class for UNC, Seventh Woods and Brandon Robinson were the two lowest rated recruits. Again, though, that was by design - because UNC wants those type of players.
But maybe Archer is right, maybe Roy is simply offering these kids scholarships because, being the head coach of a a top program, he has to offer them. It's merely a formality to offer the top prospects with no intent on actually wanting to sign any of them. I mean, Roy did offer scholarships to 15 of the top 25 players in the class of 2016. He didn't sign any of those 15 guys, which clearly indicates that he really didn't want them. Presumably because of handlers... Interesting to note that of the 22 scholarships extended to the 2016 class for UNC, Seventh Woods and Brandon Robinson were the two lowest rated recruits. Again, though, that was by design - because UNC wants those type of players.
You didn't get a response because you showed up to the party with facts rather than off the wall conclusions. You are lucky you didn't get banned.
lol, yes, I think there's a lot of truth to that. Opinions and feelings carry more weight over there than actual facts - like the fact that Roy went after just about every OAD kid in the 2016 class. I suppose I shouldn't be too aggressive when posting there, because I do enjoying lurking the THR board and sharing their comical posts.
Since you couldn't get a reply over there I'll give you one here. To make it short and sweet I'll sum it up by saying that you are correct and Archer's opinion is misguided, at best. Roy is doing more than just making a token offer because he goes to see them play and/or sends an assistant to see them. You wouldn't do that unless you actually want the player. If it was just for appearances then you wouldn't waste time going to see that player.
I certainly appreciate your candor. I doubt your sane reasoning will be appreciated much over there though.
There are certain posters who don't care for it when I call them out on the subject. I'm sure you guys can figure out which posters I'm talking about. But, there are still a few of us over there that feel the same way. Some of them have quit posting on that board and post on our out of the blue board. There is basketball thread on it. It was basically created so we could have a rational debate and talk about some of the craziness on radar. I guess that makes it our version of this thread.
Hmmm, I have no idea who you're talking about.
There are certain posters who don't care for it when I call them out on the subject. I'm sure you guys can figure out which posters I'm talking about. But, there are still a few of us over there that feel the same way. Some of them have quit posting on that board and post on our out of the blue board. There is basketball thread on it. It was basically created so we could have a rational debate and talk about some of the craziness on radar. I guess that makes it our version of this thread.
Rational discourse is fun when it's allowed. I don't like UNC any different then you don't like Duke....but discussions can still take place. Feel free to post here more often. It's not really an option for any of us at THR anymore.
Thank you for saying this. Wish more fans could be like you.
I think most people here on the DI are open to posters from opposing fan-bases as long as they're not trolling or just hopelessly ignorant. I enjoy intelligent and rationale discussion from any sort of basketball fan. So definitely feel free to post here, tarheel0910.
There are certain posters who don't care for it when I call them out on the subject. I'm sure you guys can figure out which posters I'm talking about. But, there are still a few of us over there that feel the same way. Some of them have quit posting on that board and post on our out of the blue board. There is basketball thread on it. It was basically created so we could have a rational debate and talk about some of the craziness on radar. I guess that makes it our version of this thread.
Welcome- I at least have the luxury of reading a lot of the garbage of there and just deciding not to waste my breath of posting, it's not worth it. I feel for you that as a fan of the same team as those guys, you can't have a rational discussion b/c you'll be eaten alive by their resident nuts. What's basically happened over there in my eyes and as is reflected in this thread, is there is a group of basically 6-8 posters that dominate the boards over there and if you aren't with them than your'e a traitor, moron, etc. Basically every post on this thread comes from that group.
I think that's an accurate way to put it. That's why we have many posters posting on the basketball thread that is on our non sports board.
Honestly, I wish I could post in that thread. Obviously I don't agree with everything said in there, but you guys have fun and are a bunch of smart asses....I'd be able to tread water enough to be somewhat productive. Plus, the off-topic board has some cool threads.
OOTB is the best part of THI. I would have quit posting there sometime ago if OOTB didn't exist. There are quite a few of us over there on the OOTB that discuss basketball in the thread already mentioned. We can even disagree without calling names and pitting half the board against each other. Now that's not to say you won't get called out, but usually if you do you deserve it. But we all wear our big boy pants and criticism of something we like isn't off limits. You will find that most of us there share your sentiments about a few folks on radar, but it's really only a small minority of stooges that have taken over and like to shout everyone down with a different opinion. As you can see though, their arguments are usually torched, but it doesn't deter their stupidity.
We get a little more leeway on that board because the mods don't monitor it as much since they don't post there that much, if at all. Smart asses is definitely a good description. I actually think it's a requirement that you have to be a smart *** to post on there.
Gary coming in hot with the analysis!
"I think you are likely correct with that lineup and the last line.
That's an interesting definition of "talent" however --- we'll have 5 Burger Boyz and all upper-classmen. I can't see anyone's starting 5 as good or better... nor even passing us by. Now, granted, there will be the OAD-factory teams at kensucky and dook who will be very formidable by season's end, but the dookies would be far less without their upper-classmen (and classless). Folks tend to get far too enamored with the next big thing. The Fab Five still insist they were better than dook in 92 and UNC in 93 --- that didn't work out too well for em..."
1) the fab five blatantly in their 30 for 30 documentary admitted that they knew after playing Duke that Duke was the better team. And the next year even after the loss to unc they still to this day feel that they (UM) are the better team.
2)apparently we would be far less formidable in his eyes if we didn't have upperclassmen....ok, but we do have them- 3 of which are national champions, so not really sure what his point is. I guess if you don't have half your team you're not as formidable either?
3)if you can't see anyone else's burger boys being as good or better than yours, well might want to take those teal shaded glasses off and realize not all burgers are created equal. 4 of ours are guaranteed first round picks- none of yours are. None. Some might work their way there, JJ maybe, and I like Joel as a college player but he won't go first round with that size and being an upperclassman.
"I think you are likely correct with that lineup and the last line.
That's an interesting definition of "talent" however --- we'll have 5 Burger Boyz and all upper-classmen. I can't see anyone's starting 5 as good or better... nor even passing us by. Now, granted, there will be the OAD-factory teams at kensucky and dook who will be very formidable by season's end, but the dookies would be far less without their upper-classmen (and classless). Folks tend to get far too enamored with the next big thing. The Fab Five still insist they were better than dook in 92 and UNC in 93 --- that didn't work out too well for em...
"1) the fab five blatantly in their 30 for 30 documentary admitted that they knew after playing Duke that Duke was the better team. And the next year even after the loss to unc they still to this day feel that they (UM) are the better team.
2)apparently we would be far less formidable in his eyes if we didn't have upperclassmen....ok, but we do have them- 3 of which are national champions, so not really sure what his point is. I guess if you don't have half your team you're not as formidable either?
3)if you can't see anyone else's burger boys being as good or better than yours, well might want to take those teal shaded glasses off and realize not all burgers are created equal. 4 of ours are guaranteed first round picks- none of yours are. None. Some might work their way there, JJ maybe, and I like Joel as a college player but he won't go first round with that size and being an upperclassman.
heelmanwilm on UNC's incoming prospects:
"Woods-vince carter-esque type player
Bradley-tim duncan-esque type player"
"Woods-vince carter-esque type player
Bradley-tim duncan-esque type player"
Wow! That is a heck of a recruiting class! How he landed those recruits with all of the negative recruiting is beyond me.