Barnes isn't garbage, but he has that UNC smell to him. You know, like making it to the final game, getting a lead, then not closing it out by letting the other team sink a big 3?
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And who made the 3?? Little brother whipped up on big brother?
I think the hornheels would be willing to pay him that. They need a fan drawer especially since they let p.j. go which let's you know what a problem he was. He actually was a stater for a long time.
my eyes on that. harrison barnes will put some tarheel fans in those seats in charlotte and they have several free agents this year. OFCBarnes is definitely getting a raise. That doesn't mean he's a really good player, though.
I meant that he would be taking a pay cut from the max if he wants to play for any sort of contender. Because no contender is going to pay him max money. If he wants max or close to it he will have to go to a bad team.
Check the dates of those articles. Two were a week ago and one was from April. He has totally sucked *** in the Finals and should have hurt his stock quite a bit.
Yes, I saw that. Unlike message board hacks, I don't think professional NBA GMs are swayed by 3 games. I'm sure they'll look a little deeper into it especially considering he has a reputation for playing his best ball in bigger games/playoffs. Yes, we get it. He sucked in the second part of the finals. I know you enjoy pointing that out.
He's an NBA starter that is an average offensive player, a better than average defender that can at times guard all 5 positions, a terrific athlete and a well regarded and well spoken representative of whatever team he plays for. He also has proven to accept any role given to him without demanding shots or PT. He's the consummate team player and honestly, I don't understand why anyone would root against a player like that receiving a big contract - rivalry aside - considering that monumental jerks and team cancers are inking max deals.
I agree, I think. But everything I've read continues to say that GS "will do whatever they need to do" to keep Barnes. I guess we'll see what Barnes wants out of his NBA career. Winning or a chance at a larger role? Like I've said, I think he can be a 16-18 ppg kind of guy if he's not always deferring to other guys. And I mentioned above the other stuff he brings to the table - defense, versatility, character, good PR, understands role, etc.
I think a lot of that depends on if they decide to go after Durant as strong as they seemingly are intent on doing. That would eat up a lot of salary. I am not sure they give Barnes 15 mil per year if Durant is in the fold.
If GS somehow gets Durant, all they could offer Barnes is the mid-level exception. I doubt Barnes would be interested in an offer like that.
I agree....average offensive player. He's an above-average defender, as well. Those points I agree on. By NBA standards he's a pretty average athlete or slightly above....I definitely wouldn't classify him as terrific, but we're splitting hairs.
I root against him because he went to UNC and feel he slighted Duke during the recruiting process. That's my opinion and I understand it's not shared by all or even that rational. But it is what it is. That's part of the rivalry.
His career, when it's over, will partly mirror what Redick has been able to accomplish, IMO. A very accomplished player who accepts his role and excels in it. Some games he might score 30 and look like an All-Star, then play like he did the last three games of the finals. I don't see Barnes ever being a top two or three player on a really good NBA team or title contender. And there's nothing wrong with that.
If they get Durant (which i Dont think they will) Barnes will not be a part of their team next year. What would be the point on both parties? Barnes would be relegated to coming off the bench and would be paid significantly less money than he could get elsewhere. For them, they're not going to pay him if they get durant because theyll need the extra spending money to bring in multiple other guys to build around that big 4.
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Agree with your points about his ability and imp he get at least the 64 million that he was offered last summer with the increase in the salary cap.I strongly disagree with your and the THR take on his high character.I know for a fact he bald faced lied to not only K but other people about his intentions on where he was going.Liars do not have integrity or possesse high character.If he had just Chosen Unc I would not have liked it but would not have the personal disdain for him
Does that mean barnes may not be considered as one of the top 50 NBA players of all time?
OFCI'd be curious as to how you know with certainty that he "lied" to K (and who are "others" and why do they matter?). I don't really get into rumors. But if it happened like you said it happened, then I'm sorry it happened. I don't really know what more to say about it except that seems like a pretty big grudge to hold against a guy for a lie he supposedly told when he was 17 years old. I made some comments about the statement Wendall Carter made regarding his recruitment but I doubt I'll care 6 years from now. I don't know,...just seems weird to care that much. Also, I find it interesting that duke fans are the only people in the sports watching world that have anything bad to say about Harrison Barnes. From everyone else's account, he's a swell guy.
Agreed. If the Warriors land KD, there's no chance Barnes is back. But IMO, KD isn't going anywhere this year.
Meh. This is the rivalry. Does anyone know for sure that Barnes "lied" to K? Questionable. One source that I trust --- the same source that many UNC fans trust --- has said as much. Doesn't make it definite, but it's out there.
Look at this way, if you read THR you would come away believing that the main reason UNC has missed on recruits is because coaches are negatively recruiting against them. It's a pretty common theme.
For some UNC fans that helps them sleep better at night. For some Duke fans it might be the same. I don't understand it, but it is what it is. It's not as if what you're describing is unique to one fanbase.
(Addendum....what does negatively recruiting even mean? Let's be honest, all programs sell their product....Duke and UNC have pretty attractive buying options.)
Comments about Barnes the past two weeks haven't exactly been glowing by many in the sports world, not just Duke fans, due to his terrible play in the Finals. Jeff Van Gundy roasted him on a couple of occasions during the broadcasts.
I don't think there have been many comments on Barnes as a human being. People are largely just discussing his value as a player. He can be a nice piece just as he is for GS, but it doesn't seem like he can be a top two or three option for a genuine contender. He's not that kind of player. That's not a knock - most of the guys in the NBA aren't that kind of player either.
What is happening here? I think I read a total of 2 THR quotes in the last 9 pages. This thread is too precious to waste with everyday banter that can go on any of the other hundreds of topics we have posted. What we need is someone to take, say, the best 400-500 THR quotes and start a new "Favorite THR Quotes-All Star Edition" thread, so that those of us who need a laugh don't have to waste 30 minutes scrolling through regular conversation to find.
Before I lose my cool, will someone just copy and paste ChapelHeeled's last 6-7 posts. That should hold me over for a few weeks.
Before I lose my cool, will someone just copy and paste ChapelHeeled's last 6-7 posts. That should hold me over for a few weeks.
Agreed. This thread is deviating from our primary objective of ridicule. Haha that sounds mean, but of course, it's all in good fun. But yes, let's return with classic THR quotes - not serious discussion. Ain't nobody got time for that.
How many people thought Jimmy Butler was going to turn into the player he's become? That happened when he was given more opportunities. That could very easily happen for Barnes if he were to sign with a team that does more to play to his strengths and feature him. I'm not saying that will happen, but the potential is there.
Barnes had a LOT of wide open opportunities in the Finals.
Barnes had a LOT of wide open opportunities in the Finals.
Sure. And he missed them. Just like he's had a lot of open looks in the past and he made them. What's the point and how does that relate to my suggestion that he could end up like Butler if given the opportunities on a consistent basis?
I just don't see how a guy who has started nearly every game of his career, averaged roughly 30 minutes per game over the course of his career, and averaged nearly 10 shots per game as the fourth option (a fourth option that is frequently open because opposing teams key on Curry/Thompson/Green) can't be said to have had "opportunities on a consistent basis" so far.
Gary on the reliability of 24/7 crystal ball predictions, which currently do not have UNC favored for any of their uncommitted targets: "Considering their far-worse-than-a-coin-flip record in picking the final destinations of our last year's targets, I will just politely yawn.."
Immediately refuted by HeelFan58: "247 was pretty accurate last year and correct on Giles , Tatum , Smith , Alkins , Markkanen , Killeya-Jones and Bradley to name a few. "
What? Gary was wrong? Shocking.
Immediately refuted by HeelFan58: "247 was pretty accurate last year and correct on Giles , Tatum , Smith , Alkins , Markkanen , Killeya-Jones and Bradley to name a few. "
What? Gary was wrong? Shocking.
Well, don't skew the numbers. For his career, Barnes averages 28 mpg, 10 ppg, 4.5 rpg on 8.5 shots per game and has an eFG% of over 50% and also averages only 1 TO per game. So I'm confused on your inability to see that he's actually a pretty efficient player. If given more workload or opportunities, it's not at all unreasonable to expect him to score more points and grab more rebounds, etc. I think logic would back me up there.
An inferior team like say...the Chicago Bulls?
Until the 2014-2015 season, Butler was a player that was basically in the exact same spot as Barnes - a third option on a pretty good team with averages of 13 and 5 (albeit on 10 more minutes per game and more shots per game). His eFG% was lower than Barnes' and his TO rate was higher. As Pau and Rose have aged and are not what they once were, Butler has been given a much larger role and has taken advantage of it. It wouldn't shock me at all if Barnes left GS and became a player on the same level as Butler and really, I don't understand why it would shock anyone who's looking at the situation objectively.
I didn't. I merely pointed out his average minutes per game, the fact that he has started the majority of games he's played, and his approximate career average shots per game. How is pointing out his stats skewing numbers? What are you missing here?
False.
According to the player efficiency ratings, he's adequate/average, not efficient.
Of the 350 NBA players that earned enough minutes to be considered for the league-leading player efficiency rating, Barnes ranked 236 out of 350 players. In other words, he's in the 33rd percentile for efficiency. 2 out of 3 players are more efficient than Barnes.
Here's a link with all of the ratings:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/page/5
Hey, don't skew the numbers with facts!
Facts are so prejudice. They don't consider people's feelings.
Well, that rating has a guy named Boban Marjanovic (a guy I have literally never heard of) as the third most efficient player in the league so I'm not real sure how they get those numbers.
I'm asking you since you seem to be super knowledgeable, do you not view 10 ppg, 4.5 rpg on over 50% shooting and only 1 TO per game as "efficient"? Tough grader.