FC: The Athletic’s 2024 Top CFB Coaches…

[Midnighter]

Both Mandel and Feldman made lists, which are below - only sharing the Franklin blurb though.

Stewart Mandel (last year’s ranking)

1. Kirby Smart, Georgia (1B)
2. Lance Leipold, Kansas (11)
3. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama (NR)
4. Mike Norvell, FSU (NR)
5. Kyle Whittingham, Utah (8)
6. Brian Kelly, LSU (4)
7. Ryan Day, OSU (7)
8. Dabo Swinney, Clemson (3)
9. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State (14)
10. Jamey Chadwell, Liberty (NR)
11. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss (19)
12. Luke Fickell, Wisconsin (9)
13. Steve Sarkisian, Texas (NR)
14. Lincoln Riley, USC (5)
15. James Franklin, Penn State (10) - It seems harsh to drop a coach five spots coming off of a 10-3 season (and 11-2 before that), but Franklin's program is underachieving. Despite impressive recruiting classes, Penn State has lost seven years in a row to Ohio State, and Franklin is 3-7 against Michigan. He's a top-15 coach based on his record, but the Nittany Lions have been mostly holding serve.
16. Chris Klieman, Kansas State (15)
17. Dave Clawson, Wake Forest (13)
18. Jeff Brohm, Louisville (NR)
19. Willie Fritz, Houston (NR)
20. Jonathan Smith, Michigan State (24)
21. Matt Campbell, Iowa State (25)
22. Mark Stoops, Kentucky (20)
23. Jedd Fisch, Washington (NR)
24. Josh Heupel, Tennessee (18)
25. Dan Lanning, Oregon (NR)

Bruce Feldman

1. Kirby Smart, Georgia (2)
2. Dabo Swinney, Clemson (3)
3. Lance Leipold, Kansas (10)
4. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama (16)
5. Ryan Day, Ohio State (6)
6. Brian Kelly, LSU (8)
7. James Franklin, Penn State (5) - Franklin and Kelly's cases are more similar than one might think. Kelly had a way better offense last year and Franklin had a much tougher defense, but both pile up double-digit win seasons. They haven't come close to winning a national title, except for Notre Dame's blowout loss to Alabama more than a decade ago. Penn State is 21-5 the past two seasons but just 1-4 against top-10 teams in that stretch. Franklin has turned in four 11-win seasons since 2016 there and has elevated Penn State back into a powerhouse, but the Nittany Lions struggle to match up with Ohio State and Michigan. Last year's offense was a dud. Franklin fired offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich and brought in Andy Kotelnicki from Leipold's Kansas staff in hopes of taking that next big step.
8. Kyle Whittingham, Utah (9)
9. Lincoln Riley, USC (7)
10. Mike Norvell, Florida State (21)
11. Steve Sarkisian, Texas (NR)
12. Chris Klieman, Kansas State (13)
13. Jeff Brohm, Louisville (NR)
14. Mark Stoops, Kentucky (18)
15. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa (23)
16. Dave Clawson, Wake Forest (12)
17. Josh Heupel, Tennessee (22)
18. Matt Rhule, Nebraska (15)
19. Luke Fickell, Wisconsin (11)
20. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State (NR)
21. Lane Kittin, Ole Miss (NR)
22. Jonathan Smith, Michigan State (NR)
23. Hugh Freeze, Auburn (19)
24. Jedd Fisch, Washington (NR)
25. Rich Rodriguez, Jacksonville State (NR)

 

[Obliviax]

some of these seem very suspect. Specific to Franklin, we've won every game we were expected to win and lost the two to teams that were clearly top-five teams.

• I love lance liepold but it is a helluva lot easier to move up to top 20 and then win in the top ten. They beat teams they should have beaten but stopped there.
• DeBoer had, really, one great year with a team heavily laden with fifth and sixth-year players.
• Wittingham had a bad year at Utah. Lots of it was at QB due to injuries but they didn't play all that well.
• Ryan Day was born on third base with nobody out and still is on third base with two outs. tOSU continues to lose games where their opponent matches their incredible talent.
• Gundy is a good coach but, again, isn't expected to win games against top-ten teams. In that regard, no different than Franklin.
• Luke Fickell did a great job in Cincy in a lesser league and appears to be improving at Wisconsin but hasn't really out performed the previous coaches who were there previously.
• Sarkisian is, IMHO, under ranked based on the vast improvement TX made and in making the playoff

 

[GrimReaper]

Both Mandel and Feldman made lists, which are below - only sharing the Franklin blurb though.

Stewart Mandel (last year’s ranking)

1. Kirby Smart, Georgia (1B)
2. Lance Leipold, Kansas (11)
3. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama (NR)
4. Mike Norvell, FSU (NR)
5. Kyle Whittingham, Utah (8)
6. Brian Kelly, LSU (4)
7. Ryan Day, OSU (7)
8. Dabo Swinney, Clemson (3)
9. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State (14)
10. Jamey Chadwell, Liberty (NR)
11. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss (19)
12. Luke Fickell, Wisconsin (9)
13. Steve Sarkisian, Texas (NR)
14. Lincoln Riley, USC (5)
15. James Franklin, Penn State (10) - It seems harsh to drop a coach five spots coming off of a 10-3 season (and 11-2 before that), but Franklin's program is underachieving. Despite impressive recruiting classes, Penn State has lost seven years in a row to Ohio State, and Franklin is 3-7 against Michigan. He's a top-15 coach based on his record, but the Nittany Lions have been mostly holding serve.
16. Chris Klieman, Kansas State (15)
17. Dave Clawson, Wake Forest (13)
18. Jeff Brohm, Louisville (NR)
19. Willie Fritz, Houston (NR)
20. Jonathan Smith, Michigan State (24)
21. Matt Campbell, Iowa State (25)
22. Mark Stoops, Kentucky (20)
23. Jedd Fisch, Washington (NR)
24. Josh Heupel, Tennessee (18)
25. Dan Lanning, Oregon (NR)

Bruce Feldman

1. Kirby Smart, Georgia (2)
2. Dabo Swinney, Clemson (3)
3. Lance Leipold, Kansas (10)
4. Kalen DeBoer, Alabama (16)
5. Ryan Day, Ohio State (6)
6. Brian Kelly, LSU (8)
7. James Franklin, Penn State (5) - Franklin and Kelly's cases are more similar than one might think. Kelly had a way better offense last year and Franklin had a much tougher defense, but both pile up double-digit win seasons. They haven't come close to winning a national title, except for Notre Dame's blowout loss to Alabama more than a decade ago. Penn State is 21-5 the past two seasons but just 1-4 against top-10 teams in that stretch. Franklin has turned in four 11-win seasons since 2016 there and has elevated Penn State back into a powerhouse, but the Nittany Lions struggle to match up with Ohio State and Michigan. Last year's offense was a dud. Franklin fired offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich and brought in Andy Kotelnicki from Leipold's Kansas staff in hopes of taking that next big step.
8. Kyle Whittingham, Utah (9)
9. Lincoln Riley, USC (7)
10. Mike Norvell, Florida State (21)
11. Steve Sarkisian, Texas (NR)
12. Chris Klieman, Kansas State (13)
13. Jeff Brohm, Louisville (NR)
14. Mark Stoops, Kentucky (18)
15. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa (23)
16. Dave Clawson, Wake Forest (12)
17. Josh Heupel, Tennessee (22)
18. Matt Rhule, Nebraska (15)
19. Luke Fickell, Wisconsin (11)
20. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State (NR)
21. Lane Kittin, Ole Miss (NR)
22. Jonathan Smith, Michigan State (NR)
23. Hugh Freeze, Auburn (19)
24. Jedd Fisch, Washington (NR)
25. Rich Rodriguez, Jacksonville State (NR)

No Nardouche? Both of those list are BS.

Feldman needs a proofreader. Lane Kittin? On second though he should skip it and go straight for a brain transplant.

 

[s1uggo72]

some of these seem very suspect. Specific to Franklin, we've won every game we were expected to win and lost the two to teams that were clearly top-five teams.

• I love lance liepold but it is a helluva lot easier to move up to top 20 and then win in the top ten. They beat teams they should have beaten but stopped there.
• DeBoer had, really, one great year with a team heavily laden with fifth and sixth-year players.
• Wittingham had a bad year at Utah. Lots of it was at QB due to injuries but they didn't play all that well.
• Ryan Day was born on third base with nobody out and still is on third base with two outs. tOSU continues to lose games where their opponent matches their incredible talent.
• Gundy is a good coach but, again, isn't expected to win games against top-ten teams. In that regard, no different than Franklin.
• Luke Fickell did a great job in Cincy in a lesser league and appears to be improving at Wisconsin but hasn't really out performed the previous coaches who were there previously.
• Sarkisian is, IMHO, under ranked based on the vast improvement TX made and in making the playoff

relative to Franklin, isnt that the point? Why isnt PSU top 5? We shouldnt be losing 7 in a row to OSU. In fact we had them on the ropes several times, and just could not close. if we had done that we would be closer to .500 with them

 

[psuro]

relative to Franklin, isnt that the point? Why isnt PSU top 5? We shouldnt be losing 7 in a row to OSU. In fact we had them on the ropes several times, and just could not close. if we had done that we would be closer to .500 with them

Why shouldn't we be losing to OSU 7 times in a row? They are a more talented team and program than PSU. And have been for over 2 decades.

 

[Midnighter]

No Nardouche? Both of those list are BS.

Feldman needs a proofreader. Lane Kittin? On second though he should skip it and go straight for a brain transplant.

Sorry, that was my typo/autocorrect.....

 

[Midnighter]

some of these seem very suspect. Specific to Franklin, we've won every game we were expected to win and lost the two to teams that were clearly top-five teams.

• I love lance liepold but it is a helluva lot easier to move up to top 20 and then win in the top ten. They beat teams they should have beaten but stopped there.
• DeBoer had, really, one great year with a team heavily laden with fifth and sixth-year players.
• Wittingham had a bad year at Utah. Lots of it was at QB due to injuries but they didn't play all that well.
• Ryan Day was born on third base with nobody out and still is on third base with two outs. tOSU continues to lose games where their opponent matches their incredible talent.
• Gundy is a good coach but, again, isn't expected to win games against top-ten teams. In that regard, no different than Franklin.
• Luke Fickell did a great job in Cincy in a lesser league and appears to be improving at Wisconsin but hasn't really out performed the previous coaches who were there previously.
• Sarkisian is, IMHO, under ranked based on the vast improvement TX made and in making the playoff

That is what Mandel is implying by 'holding serve'....

 

[BobPSU92]

Why shouldn't we be losing to OSU 7 times in a row? They are a more talented team and program than PSU. And have been for over 2 decades.

How come We Aren’t Better?

 

[s1uggo72]

Why shouldn't we be losing to OSU 7 times in a row? They are a more talented team and program than PSU. And have been for over 2 decades.

really? why are they more talented? they should nt be. as mentioned we had them on the ropes 2 yrs in a row (with looking it up) we close those 2 wins out, it would have put us at winning 3 out of 4. Certainly would have been a spring board.

 

[GrimReaper]

Sorry, that was my typo/autocorrect.....

No problem. Feldman is still a shlthead.

 

[psuro]

really? why are they more talented? they should nt be. as mentioned we had them on the ropes 2 yrs in a row (with looking it up) we close those 2 wins out, it would have put us at winning 3 out of 4. Certainly would have been a spring board.

Because Penn State has never been able to beat Ohio State regularly. Never. Only Rip and Scrap have winning records against OSU, and Scrap is 1-0 only because Joe got fired and OSU was playing without Tressel, who got fired before the season.

The inflection point was 2001 - from that point to this point, OSU has averaged 11 wins a year. PSU is 8.5. In the 24 years prior to the 2001 season, OSU averaged 9.5 wins per year, PSU averaged 9. PSU has defeated OSU 5 times since 2001 - that is tied for the most in that time frame with Michigan (who have won three straight). No one else has come close. Saban has a losing record vs. OSU (MSU, LSU, Alabama). I think Dabo does also (not quite sure).

I know how the games have gone - I watched them also. Close games in 2014, 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023. So, actually 5 times.

Truth be told, OSU is a better program and therefore better team - and frankly, probably always will be. They have a diferent culture at OSU than most every school, save Alabama, and perhaps recently Georgia.

Penn State is a very good football program, and always has been - it has never been "elite" as defined by most anyone who watches football. Having said that, I think there is more pressure on CJF this year than most, because now, as long as he holds serive and beats everyone he should beat, he has a very good chance to make the playoffs. And from there, anything can happen - but you gotta get there first.

 

[s1uggo72]

Because Penn State has never been able to beat Ohio State regularly. Never. Only Rip and Scrap have winning records against OSU, and Scrap is 1-0 only because Joe got fired and OSU was playing without Tressel, who got fired before the season.

The inflection point was 2001 - from that point to this point, OSU has averaged 11 wins a year. PSU is 8.5. In the 24 years prior to the 2001 season, OSU averaged 9.5 wins per year, PSU averaged 9. PSU has defeated OSU 5 times since 2001 - that is tied for the most in that time frame with Michigan (who have won three straight). No one else has come close. Saban has a losing record vs. OSU (MSU, LSU, Alabama). I think Dabo does also (not quite sure).

I know how the games have gone - I watched them also. Close games in 2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023 So, actually 5 times.

Truth be told, OSU is a better program and therefore better team - and frankly, probably always will be. They have a diferent culture at OSU than most every school, save Alabama, and perhaps recently Georgia.

Penn State is a very good football program, and always has been - it has never been "elite" as defined by most anyone who watches football. Having said that, I think there is more pressure on CJF this year than most, because now, as long as he holds serive and beats everyone he should beat, he has a very good chance to make the playoffs. And from there, anything can happen - but you gotta get there first.

never elite? that's a good deal of rationalization.
2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023? better coaching we win at least 4 out of those 5 and everything is diferent.

 

[psuro]

never elite? that's a good deal of rationalization.
2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023? better coaching we win at least 4 out of those 5 and everything is diferent.

I am not "rationalizing' anything. I am pragmatic and realisitc. Using any realistic metric, and comparing the two football programs and the two athetic departments, OSU surpasses PSU. It's not just the James Franklin coached teams.

Since you seem to be so focussed on the nubmers....

CJF's teams have lost by an average of 10.56 points per game to OSU
O'Brien's teams lost by an average of 30 points per game to OSU (given it was only two games and one was a runaway, plus....the sanctions)
Joe's teams lost by average of 11.2 points. Slightly worse than CJF, but he had a lot more games to even things out. And he won 3 of the 5 games against OSU since 2001. So he is doing better against OSU than all the coaches PSU has had since he was fired.

They are better than PSU. It's just that simple. The two programs are not on an even keel. And they never have been.

 

[s1uggo72]

I am not "rationalizing' anything. I am pragmatic and realisitc. Using any realistic metric, and comparing the two football programs and the two athetic departments, OSU surpasses PSU. It's not just the James Franklin coached teams.

Since you seem to be so focussed on the nubmers....

CJF's teams have lost by an average of 10.56 points per game to OSU
O'Brien's teams lost by an average of 30 points per game to OSU (given it was only two games and one was a runaway, plus....the sanctions)
Joe's teams lost by average of 11.2 points. Slightly worse than CJF, but he had a lot more games to even things out. And he won 3 of the 5 games against OSU since 2001. So he is doing better against OSU than all the coaches PSU has had since he was fired.

They are better than PSU. It's just that simple. The two programs are not on an even keel. And they never have been.

And they never have been., but they would have been had we won 4 /5 from 2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023!! and that's the point! JVP and B'OB have nothing to do with this!! They win 4/5 winnable games in that stretch everything you say goes out the window. They didnt win those games because of coaching.

 

[psuro]

And they never have been., but they would have been had we won 4 /5 from 2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023!! and that's the point! JVP and B'OB have nothing to do with this!! They win 4/5 winnable games in that stretch everything you say goes out the window. They didnt win those games because of coaching.

But. They. Didn't. And that is the reality of it all.

"If" kansas did not have an extra man on fhe field, Joe would not have won that first Orange Bowl.
"if" the Miami QB (Frank Costa) could have thrown better, Penn State would have been voted #1 after beating Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
"if" the F$U kicker woud not have hit the goal post, or the Illinois kicier would not have hit the goal post, then Joe would have ended with less than 409 wins.
Richard Nixon "should have" kept his nose out of college football in 1969.

But, none of those things happened.

"should have" "would have", "if"....isn't gonna change the past.

 

[s1uggo72]

But. They. Didn't. And that is the reality of it all.

"If" kansas did not have an extra man on fhe field, Joe would not have won that first Orange Bowl.
"if" the Miami QB (Frank Costa) could have thrown better, Penn State would have been voted #1 after beating Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
"if" the F$U kicker woud not have hit the goal post, or the Illinois kicier would not have hit the goal post, then Joe would have ended with less than 409 wins.
Richard Nixon "should have" kept his nose out of college football in 1969.

But, none of those things happened.

"should have" "would have", "if"....isn't gonna change the past.

and they didnt because of coaching, it was clear.

 

[PSUFTG2]

Alabama has been THE elite team in college football for a generation (and much of the previous three generations)

And yet, lowly l'il Auburn beat them twice in the last few years - and has beaten them 6 times (as significant underdogs) over the last 20 or so (and beat them another couple times when Auburn was the rare favorite). Most of those years Alabama was ranked #1 or #2 in the nation.

Losing so regularly to anyone - even an "elite" team" - is not a good look for any program that wants to consider itself something other than mediocre. Is PSU "mediocre"? I don't think so.

 

[LB99]

The lists lost all credibility with me when they included Brian Kelly at 6. Talk about an underachiever with boatloads of talent on his teams.

 

[Midnighter]

But. They. Didn't. And that is the reality of it all.

"If" kansas did not have an extra man on fhe field, Joe would not have won that first Orange Bowl.
"if" the Miami QB (Frank Costa) could have thrown better, Penn State would have been voted #1 after beating Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
"if" the F$U kicker woud not have hit the goal post, or the Illinois kicier would not have hit the goal post, then Joe would have ended with less than 409 wins.
Richard Nixon "should have" kept his nose out of college football in 1969.

But, none of those things happened.

"should have" "would have", "if"....isn't gonna change the past.

Worse programs/teams beat better ones all the time. There is the Auburn example above. And many, many others - from Phil Steele:

From 1997-2022 there were 2,412 teams that were favored by 7.5 to 10 points and of those 2,412 teams there were 627 upsets. That means that 26.0% of the time a team was favored by 7.5 to 10 points they lost outright and that translates into 1 upset every 3.84 games.

Since 1997, 1632 of the 4,623 teams that were underdogs of 3.5 to 7 points have pulled outright upsets and that translates into 1 every 2.83 games or 35.3% of the time.

By consistently losing to Ohio State, Franklin is 'beating' the odds which say he should be winning at least one or two games every three to four times they play. Acknowledging a program is better/more talented is one thing, but using that as an excuse for never beating them is something wildly different.

 

[GrimReaper]

But. They. Didn't. And that is the reality of it all.

"If" kansas did not have an extra man on fhe field, Joe would not have won that first Orange Bowl.
"if" the Miami QB (Frank Costa) could have thrown better, Penn State would have been voted #1 after beating Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
"if" the F$U kicker woud not have hit the goal post, or the Illinois kicier would not have hit the goal post, then Joe would have ended with less than 409 wins.
Richard Nixon "should have" kept his nose out of college football in 1969.

But, none of those things happened.

"should have" "would have", "if"....isn't gonna change the past.

The past doesn't necessarily have to be an anchor on the future. And no one on this board set the target for the program as "elite."

 

[psuro]

The past doesn't necessarily have to be an anchor on the future. And no one on this board set the target for the program as "elite."

then they should be happy with where the program is. but they does not seem to be the case.

 

[GrimReaper]

then they should be happy with where the program is. but they does not seem to be the case.

Why should "they" not want what Big Game James wants? Isn't that part of what he calls "alignment?"

 

[Ludd]

never elite? that's a good deal of rationalization.
2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023? better coaching we win at least 4 out of those 5 and everything is diferent.

Or it was coaching that put us in a position to win those games (with less talent) and the players didn’t make the plays necessary to win. I know, novel concept that players have to do anything to win.

 

[s1uggo72]

Or it was coaching that put us in a position to win those games (with less talent) and the players didn’t make the plays necessary to win. I know, novel concept that players have to do anything to win.

where's this with less talent come from? besides go watch the tape, lots of errors but put on the kids not the guys getting paid like brain surgeons.

 

[Ludd]

where's this with less talent come from? besides go watch the tape, lots of errors but put on the kids not the guys getting paid like brain surgeons.

We did have less talent and far less depth. And I bet if I watched the tape, I would see a whole lot of mistakes by the players that many fans put on the coaches.

 

[Nothing Special]

some of these seem very suspect. Specific to Franklin, we've won every game we were expected to win and lost the two to teams that were clearly top-five teams.

• I love lance liepold but it is a helluva lot easier to move up to top 20 and then win in the top ten. They beat teams they should have beaten but stopped there.
• DeBoer had, really, one great year with a team heavily laden with fifth and sixth-year players.
• Wittingham had a bad year at Utah. Lots of it was at QB due to injuries but they didn't play all that well.
• Ryan Day was born on third base with nobody out and still is on third base with two outs. tOSU continues to lose games where their opponent matches their incredible talent.
• Gundy is a good coach but, again, isn't expected to win games against top-ten teams. In that regard, no different than Franklin.
• Luke Fickell did a great job in Cincy in a lesser league and appears to be improving at Wisconsin but hasn't really out performed the previous coaches who were there previously.
• Sarkisian is, IMHO, under ranked based on the vast improvement TX made and in making the playoff

Was going to respond to the list, but I would just be echoing much of what you said. I'll go a little further. Is the bloom of Swinney's rose? I think so. Brian Kelly? As someone else said, no one has done less with more. A little too soon for Norvell, but definitely on the way up. Way too soon for Fickell, Wisconsin has been a pretty good job. Let's give him a year or two. Jamey Chadwell? Maybe in time. Big difference between Liberty and P5. I'll never understand the love for Mike Gundy. Seems like a good guy, but …

 

[s1uggo72]

We did have less talent and far less depth. And I bet if I watched the tape, I would see a whole lot of mistakes by the players that many fans put on the coaches.

Mistakes by players or coaches who put them in a bad position. After watching 30 sec of Greggy tape one would think they would prepare the players for a T/E stunt, yet they didn’t SMH
Stop w the less talent, just wasn’t true

 

[wbcbus]

Because Penn State has never been able to beat Ohio State regularly. Never. Only Rip and Scrap have winning records against OSU, and Scrap is 1-0 only because Joe got fired and OSU was playing without Tressel, who got fired before the season.

The inflection point was 2001 - from that point to this point, OSU has averaged 11 wins a year. PSU is 8.5. In the 24 years prior to the 2001 season, OSU averaged 9.5 wins per year, PSU averaged 9. PSU has defeated OSU 5 times since 2001 - that is tied for the most in that time frame with Michigan (who have won three straight). No one else has come close. Saban has a losing record vs. OSU (MSU, LSU, Alabama). I think Dabo does also (not quite sure).

I know how the games have gone - I watched them also. Close games in 2014, 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023. So, actually 5 times.

Truth be told, OSU is a better program and therefore better team - and frankly, probably always will be. They have a diferent culture at OSU than most every school, save Alabama, and perhaps recently Georgia.

Penn State is a very good football program, and always has been - it has never been "elite" as defined by most anyone who watches football. Having said that, I think there is more pressure on CJF this year than most, because now, as long as he holds serive and beats everyone he should beat, he has a very good chance to make the playoffs. And from there, anything can happen - but you gotta get there first.

Regularly? Okay. But how about sometimes?

This is what it looked like over a 60 year stretch. A fair amount of blue in there, never losing more than 3 times in a row to OSU.



This is very different, and marks a significant change (all time series record was 13-13 before this):

 

[Ludd]

Mistakes by players or coaches who put them in a bad position. After watching 30 sec of Greggy tape one would think they would prepare the players for a T/E stunt, yet they didn’t SMH
Stop w the less talent, just wasn’t true

Why wasn’t it true because you said so? Everything else points to them having more talent. And one of the biggest catch all BS phrases is “putting them in a position to succeed” along with “didn’t have them ready to play”. When there’s no evidence of a coach actually losing a game, use one of these phrases. Monday morning coaching is the easiest way to coach.

 

[Midnighter]

Regularly? Okay. But how about sometimes?

This is what it looked like over a 60 year stretch. A fair amount of blue in there, never losing more than 3 times in a row to OSU.

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This is very different, and marks a significant change (all time series record was 13-13 before this):

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[Nitt1300]

never elite? that's a good deal of rationalization.
2014., 2017, 2018, 2022 and 2023? better coaching we win at least 4 out of those 5 and everything is diferent.

or better playing? we haven't been e-light since 1994

 

[BobPSU92]

Who the hell cares? In ten years, PSU won’t be playing football.

 

[Countrylion]

Who the hell cares? In ten years, PSU won’t be playing football.

No Bob in 10 years PSU will be playing football, but many of the 30 some other teams on campus may not exist.

 

[s1uggo72]

Why wasn’t it true because you said so? Everything else points to them having more talent. And one of the biggest catch all BS phrases is “putting them in a position to succeed” along with “didn’t have them ready to play”. When there’s no evidence of a coach actually losing a game, use one of these phrases. Monday morning coaching is the easiest way to coach.

No it doesn’t btw I didn’t use either of those phrases. It’s clear from the film they didn’t have a plan on how to block the T/ E stunt and they should have. Greggy used it every game he coached

 

[Ludd]

No it doesn’t btw I didn’t use either of those phrases. It’s clear from the film they didn’t have a plan on how to block the T/ E stunt and they should have. Greggy used it every game he coached

Or they did and the players didn’t do what they were supposed to…unless you were at the practices, you have no idea what their plans were.

 

[s1uggo72]

Or they did and the players didn’t do what they were supposed to…unless you were at the practices, you have no idea what their plans were.

Well if you watch the tape, and believe like I believe players in college at least try to execute the plan, they had no plan. Zero. And they didn’t for the 2 (?) yrs Greggy was there. May not be on CJF but it is on the OL coach at least and the OC at least saying, how you going to handle this It’s not that hard

 

[BobPSU92]

Who the hell is “Greggy”?

 

[Ludd]

Well if you watch the tape, and believe like I believe players in college at least try to execute the plan, they had no plan. Zero. And they didn’t for the 2 (?) yrs Greggy was there. May not be on CJF but it is on the OL coach at least and the OC at least saying, how you going to handle this It’s not that hard

So if it’s not hard, I’m quite sure coaches who get to this level know enough to address it. Some of you act like D-1 coaches know nothing about football. I’m 100% sure they know more than you do and if you picked something up from watching tape (and why you’re watching tape I have no idea) they picked it up too.

 

[Ludd]

Who the hell is “Greggy”?

Schiano.

 

[s1uggo72]

So if it’s not hard, I’m quite sure coaches who get to this level know enough to address it. Some of you act like D-1 coaches know nothing about football. I’m 100% sure they know more than you do and if you picked something up from watching tape (and why you’re watching tape I have no idea) they picked it up too.

not really some are stuck in their ways. Ever seen a BB coach when asked why dont you play zone? and the response is, we play Man to Man. Some can't see the forest for the trees. the crying shame is, they ran the same stunt the next year when they had 4 and 7 and to get in FG range, and still couldnt block it!!!
why wouldnt I be watching tape, you can learn alot, you might want to try it sometime.